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spiffers

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I can read German, what a party is called has little to do with how it is run. The Nazis were not socialist, not after the late 30s - they were fascist pure and simple.

GDR (German Democratic Republic aka East Germany), DPKR (Democratic People's Republic of Korea aka North Korea), Democratic Republic of the Congo are *not* democracies despite what it says on the box - so please don't use those as arguments.

Rather look at what extreme communist regimes - like the Khmer Rouge - did with language:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmer_Rouge#Language_reforms

Replacing words and phrases to those that are more "correct" more "equal". Those are dangerous concepts.

Pol Pot was the leader of Khmer Rouge. I agree that changing language can be dangerous, something the alt-left and the leftist MSM is trying to accomplish. For example in their "reality", there are no anti-Trump on the right. And absolutely everybody on the right are either nazis or KKK. Even Ben Shapiro was accused for being a nazi by some moron SJW.
 

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First of all, not all on the right likes Trump. His morals are despicable. Second, being on the right is not the same as being KKK or a nazi. Im a Jew, and therefor not exactly the center of affection from those dudes. Also, the confederation was not the same as Nazi-Germany. That rethoric is invalid.

I didn't say being on the right is the same as being a Nazi or a racist. Go re-read my posts carefully and stop putting words in my mouth.

But you're right about the Confederacy not being the same as Nazi Germany:

-The US wanted to stop 400 years or so of crimes against humanity, but the Confederacy objected so they tried to separate from the US so they could keep it going.

-The Nazis were more efficient in getting rid of their slaves, the Confederacy wanted to keep them, generation after generation.

I can i magine the trade/economic discussions between a victorious CSA and Nazi Germany:

CSA: "Hey, why are you killing your inferior, subhuman workforce?"
Nazi Germany: "Dang it, we were overzealous. Wanna start a new trade agreement for African labor goods? Your stock is strong since the ones you got survived the trans-Atlantic trip and all that."

Open your eyes. The Nazi flag is to Jews what the Confedrate flag is to African-Americans.
 

Precision Gem

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Why isn't Tim Cook concerned that Native Americans are offended by statues of basically any intruder who robbed their land and put them on reservations. I think we should tear down every monument in this country since all of the are offensive to Native Americans. Or is it, since they are not out in the streets protesting and rioting it doesn't matter?
 

supercoolmanchu

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I can read German, what a party is called has little to do with how it is run. The Nazis were not socialist, not after the late 30s - they were fascist pure and simple.

This isn't really that much of a difference on the political spectrum, socialism and fascism are on the same extreme end of collectivism vs personal liberty. You have small group of leaders, allocating resources for the many as they see fit.

The end branding doesn't really change the fact that both of these are identical in the practical to feudalism. I think when feudalism lacks the outward Game of Thrones-esque costuming, swords and crowns, some people see it as something more noble than they really should.
 
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thadoggfather

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One has to wonder why removing confederate statues wasn't a top priority under the presidency of the "great uniter" and great orator?

Why now? Why all of a sudden?

One has to wonder why Shia didn't bring this to the table when he said "he will not divide us"
 
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DVD9

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Reminds me of the following:

Reminds me of when Samantha Bee called a cancer patient a nazi because of his haircut:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ac-one-of-the-jokes-targets-has-brain-cancer/

Big difference between public defamation and being stabbed with a knife in public. Here's what the difference looks like after the event:
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https://www.rt.com/usa/400399-colorado-mistaken-neo-nazi-attack/
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supercoolmanchu

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Open your eyes. The Nazi flag is to Jews what the Confedrate flag is to African-Americans.

The symbols of racists who lost their respective wars?

How is: "You can't show that symbol I find ancestrally offensive!"
a better response than: "Have fun with your loser flag, loser!" ?
 
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GoldenJoe

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Might as well stuff some money in an envelope and send it to the black panthers. Apple has made a huge mistake by aligning itself with the radical left over and over again. The day will come when their duopoly gravy train with Google comes to an end, and users will flee for companies that don't want to tell them how to live and what to think.
 

0098386

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Might as well stuff some money in an envelope and send it to the black panthers. Apple has made a huge mistake by aligning itself with the radical left over and over again. The day will come when their duopoly gravy train with Google comes to an end, and users will flee for companies that don't want to tell them how to live and what to think.
Hi. There's nothing "radical" about supporting gay rights, supporting natural disaster victims, or denouncing nazis. That's all standard "good person with well adjusted morals" stuff, it's very interesting if those things are radical to you.
 

supercoolmanchu

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Might as well stuff some money in an envelope and send it to the black panthers. Apple has made a huge mistake by aligning itself with the radical left over and over again. The day will come when their duopoly gravy train with Google comes to an end, and users will flee for companies that don't want to tell them how to live and what to think.

Google is actively censoring and blackballing people for conservative views. They've adopted a platform of corporate McCarthyism.

So far Apple has only made that mistake with regard to Cook's statement and a corporate donation.

Ethically Google is in a pickle, but Cook still can fix his error.
 

shareef777

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Very disappointing. Apple needs to steer clear of politics like this. Look at CNN, ESPN, etc. to see what happens when you shove political agendas down people’s throats.

And look at Fox News. They became the number one news network off of that. In this day and age, politics is business foremost. By doing this Apple is appealing to their more liberal user base. There's no right or wrong with this. It's just business.
 

tshrimp

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Might as well stuff some money in an envelope and send it to the black panthers. Apple has made a huge mistake by aligning itself with the radical left over and over again. The day will come when their duopoly gravy train with Google comes to an end, and users will flee for companies that don't want to tell them how to live and what to think.

You got that right! SPLC is far from a reputable organization. Apple needs to start staying out of politics. Do you happen to know if Microsoft does this type of stuff? Windows 10 is a good OS, there are many great Android Tablets now, and I have always been a Android phone user. So as long as MS is not doing the same, I have no problem switching loyalty. I can even save a lot of money in the process :).
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And look at Fox News. They became the number one news network off of that. In this day and age, politics is business foremost. By doing this Apple is appealing to their more liberal user base. There's no right or wrong with this. It's just business.

Can you really compare Apple to a news organization? They make their living on politics, where an electronics company, not so much.

Business may now be lost. I think my 2016 MBP may be my last Apple product :(. When I was in sales and marketing it was understood that as a business it was not a good practice to get involved with politics. We have seen Apple continue to take sides, and support some questionable organizations.
 

citysnaps

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I'll try to address this larger philosophical question, but just know that you're asking a question as vast as "what is the meaning of life?" or "why do men have nipples?"and you'll have to do some research if you genuinely care because I can't bring you up to speed on EVERYTHING. nor would I want to/is that my role/would I want you to take my word for it without looking around a bit yourself. But here goes anyways:

Stockpiling cash for seemingly "good causes," wrapping it up in "objective good intentions" getting a pat on the back and increasing desire to want to support a "good cause" company while in realitycapitalizing rhetoric wise on mass-hysterical MSM events. Everyone loves cash last I checked. And setting the precedent of it being ok to silence dissenting opinions, no matter how heinous and evil they may be. Its to desensitize you. First white supremacists, tomorrow maybe it will be "white supremacist Trump's'" support base which Moore claims ALL of his base are racists and rapists. Its a slippery slope.

How many damn times do I have to watch the same 5 second clip of those lame tiki torch white supremacists denouncing the Jews from that VICE footage? Perception is a helluva interesting thing, watch a 5 second clip on loop 10 million times and you might start THINKING tiki torch white supremacists are marching all over every city as I type this, 24x7, rather than be a fringe group which is dangerous and disgusting, but sensationalized in magnitude and overblown by the media as well.

All while further dividing America, to get relatively powerless average Joes like us arguing about how we're so different when we may be more a like than not minus some key perception differences and start accusing another group of being outright bigots for voting for one candidate over another or Russian influenced instead of influenced by ones own mind (not MSM, and not Russia's), ensuring socioeconomically we remain more imbalanced than ever as a society so the ruling class remains ruling, that the rich get richer (and these aren't the bulk of 63m working citizens who voted Trump, I'm talking about corporate executives specifically if you lack an imagination) and seeing the immediate results and impact from Silicon Valley's oligarchy, influencing the way people think/speak and what they search for, and what they see when they search, etc etc. All of this has a tangible, visible impact on society.

De-Monetization of YouTube strike you as odd, this year of all years where the hated fake news main stream media wants to double down with "freedom of the press"? Me too, what about freedom of the freelance journos?

MSM&SV combined doesn't like that free lance video bloggers are taking off and cable channels aren't doing great. Their control over the narrative is slipping and they aren't dumb/ Hence the big push for YouTube TV and removing incentive for content creators, especially pol-driven content creators with dissenting opinions, as an example. They would rather see people be silenced from lack of platform/incentive than suffer a big loss in ad revenue.


WHY are they doing this? Truly WHY? When is enough money, enough? And when is power tripping, enough?

I can't pretend to understand the true evil in people's hearts and where you can find rational thought within that, but I think thats a start in trying to understand "how did we get here"

Go ahead and pick apart my argument but I think its a pretty obvious observation of several pieces working in tandem


"Go ahead and pick apart my argument..."

Uh, no thanks. You failed to address and answer my questions. Carry on...
 
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supercoolmanchu

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One has to wonder why removing confederate statues wasn't a top priority under the presidency of the "great uniter" and great orator?

Why now? Why all of a sudden?

One has to wonder why Shia didn't bring this to the table when he said "he will not divide us"

Because Obama's efforts in racial issues were exclusively self-serving.

That's been the crux of every major social justice issue raised this millennia.

Gay marriage was a fine example of one group wanting in on government differentiation of marriage, rather than ending governement differentiation of marriage. Not many asked the moral question: "why does government have any involvement in people's relationships?" Why should being married or single have any bearing on my taxes or how my employer or insurance treats me? But the loudest vocal gay marriage activists were only thinking "me, me, me". Selfishness isn't inherently immoral, but a lot of people started feeling a similar righteousness like those 'ole Baptists' over that issue, and put themselves on a moral pedestal.

Now you can't be 'against gay marriage' or you're a bigot. Which is classic small mindedness to a tee.

You got that right! SPLC is far from a reputable organization. Apple needs to start staying out of politics. Do you happen to know if Microsoft does this type of stuff? Windows 10 is a good OS, there are many great Android Tablets now, and I have always been a Android phone user. So as long as MS is not doing the same, I have no problem switching loyalty. I can even save a lot of money in the process :).
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Can you really compare Apple to a news organization? They make their living on politics, where an electronics company, not so much.

Business may now be lost. I think my 2016 MBP may be my last Apple product :(. When I was in sales and marketing it was understood that as a business it was not a good practice to get involved with politics. We have seen Apple continue to take sides, and support some questionable organizations.

To clarify, I only endorse the second half of your statement on the business practice of staying out of politics.

I cannot, on ethical, moral and aesthetic grounds, ever support the use of Windows or Android.
;)
 

akadafni

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One has to wonder why removing confederate statues wasn't a top priority under the presidency of the "great uniter" and great orator?

Why now? Why all of a sudden?

One has to wonder why Shia didn't bring this to the table when he said "he will not divide us"[/QUOTE}

Each state and locality has rules and requirements about their memorials, statues or monuments. Federal input is not required. The cases we are seeing are in the forefront because the question of free speech is being thrown into the mix. Free speech is the heart of our democracy as you know. Everyone is entitled to free speech in this country including those who spew hate. Those who don't want to hear the free hate speech also have the right to not hear it or have it infect our country further.
 

lowendlinux

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What political agenda is being shoved down whose throats?

I got part of the answer one he doesn't like, and people he does like now I'm just not clear on how the shoving is happening.

Because Obama's efforts in racial issues were exclusively self-serving.

That's been the crux of every major social justice issue raised this millennia.

Gay marriage was a fine example of one group wanting in on government differentiation of marriage, rather than ending governement differentiation of marriage. Not many asked the moral question: "why does government have any involvement in people's relationships?" Why should being married or single have any bearing on my taxes or how my employer or insurance treats me? But the loudest vocal gay marriage activists were only thinking "me, me, me". Selfishness isn't inherently immoral, but a lot of people started feeling a similar righteousness like those 'ole Baptists' over that issue, and put themselves on a moral pedestal.

Now you can't be 'against gay marriage' or you're a bigot. Which is classic small mindedness to a tee.



To clarify, I only endorse the second half of your statement on the business practice of staying out of politics.

I cannot, on ethical, moral and aesthetic grounds, ever support the use of Windows or Android.
;)

Actually people hemmed and hammered all of this out all over the internet for years..How long have you been on the net?
 

thadoggfather

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"Go ahead and pick apart my argument..."

Uh, no thanks. You failed to address and answer my questions. Carry on...

I addressed your question at length of "what is apple doing and what is their agenda?" Presumably in the context of ADL and Southern Poverty the thread topic and in a larger sense outside of their scope of making newer and better iPhones, societally, and you are saying I failed to address your question SIMPLY because you don't like the answers ?

Remind me to not engage with you further
 
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http://nypost.com/2017/08/19/man-stabbed-after-haircut-gets-him-mistaken-for-a-neo-nazi/
https://www.rt.com/usa/400399-colorado-mistaken-neo-nazi-attack/

Witt says he’d just pulled in to the parking lot of the Steak ’n Shake in Sheridan, Colo., and was opening his car door.

“All I hear is, ‘Are you one of them neo-Nazis?’ as this dude is swinging a knife up over my car door at me,” he said.

“I threw my hands up and once the knife kind of hit, I dived back into my car and shut the door and watched him run off west, behind my car.

“The dude was actually aiming for my head,” he added.

The suspect, described by Witt as a “black male, mid 20s, slim build, about 5'10" I'm guessing, 160-ish pounds wearing a green shirt and blue jeans,” remains at large.

You realize that RT which you linked to is run by the Russian government and is a well known propaganda site?

A single incident with one bad person doesn't generally define an entire group. It's the ongoing actions of that group as a whole for which we define them.
 
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citysnaps

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I addressed your question at length of "what is apple doing and what is their agenda?" Presumably in the context of ADL and Southern Poverty the thread topic and in a larger sense outside of their scope of making newer and better iPhones, societally, and you are saying I failed to address your question SIMPLY because you don't like the answers ?

Remind me to not engage with you further

Duly reminded, though I doubt you will stop. Again, you failed to speak to what Apple's agenda is.
 
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thadoggfather

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URGENCY is what I question as the operative word.

Why was this not urgent under 8 years of racial unifier but it's what's tearing society apart not even a year into Trump'S?

I think the answer speaks for itself. It's not really about statues at all, that's just the talking point and justification for de-facing and eradicating history and acting like a violent Antifa thug lacking civility.



..And most of the people faux outraged aren't black either, the people who stand to be most offended by being reminded of some ugly parts of this country's history.

chelsea Clinton is offended by statues but Charles Barkley isn't. Let that sink in. Just how absurd that is.

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Duly reminded, though I doubt you will stop. Again, you failed to speak to what Apple's agenda is.

I gave you plenty to work with ie to agree with or contest Line by line/point out typos instead like so many armchair virtue signalers do or even to be confused and conflicted about. You chose none of the above but rather to just say I didn't answer your question.
 
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SarcasticJoe

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What policies and powers? People are simply speaking up against any kind of Nazism in our society.

There's a difference between going after real neo-nazis (which people think they're doing) and going after anyone who's conservative or believes the right to freedom of speech belongs to everyone, including despicable people with hateful views (what people are actually doing). When you think you're "bashing the fash" you're actually just bashing people who believe in the fundamental values the U.S was founded on.
 
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