While I do not support what the originators of the march
A Congressman, 2 police officers, a lobbyist, and an aide were shot. (Not to take away from your point, but to add to it.)
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AntiFa protesting George Soros who didn't pay them their $15/hr ... any more questions about what is going on and who is behind it?
Where is Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama to comment on the Boston Free Speech?
They haven't said ANYTHING about it on twitter, should we be pissed at them?
7m24s I know you probably hate Hannity and/or FNC, but I would appreciate your feedback on Trump's repeated disavowing of David Duke/KKK in the past in a series of spoonfed clips.
And how Trump has never been called racist to this magnitude, and certainly wasn't when he was under NBC making them lots of money with his reality crap, but NOW he is? how convenient.
and how convenient to assume anyone who supports Trump IS a racist. after failing to provide evidence that his base is bought and paid for by Putin.
What's the next hysteria that will be whipped up when this falls flat on its face, too?
How is it Trump's fault David Duke still latches onto Trump and his campaign? That's David Duke's doing, there aren't things that appeal to white supremacists specific to Trump, its an obvious attempt to smear and delegitimize his name and drag it through the mud. And its working for the MSM gobblers.
This is also very interesting yet there is ZERO outrage:
All I can say is none of this is winning over voters for upcoming elections. But keep going,
This is perfect- compare Chelsea Clinton's newest "outrage" to that of Charles Barkley's:
https://twitter.com/ChelseaClinton/status/898335002697412608
http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/08/...ent-thought-day-their-lives-about-confederate
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First of all, not all on the right likes Trump. His morals are despicable. Second, being on the right is not the same as being KKK or a nazi. Im a Jew, and therefor not exactly the center of affection from those dudes. Also, the confederation was not the same as Nazi-Germany. That rethoric is invalid.
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How has Apple/TC told you how to think? Please be specific.
"the stances of CEOs sound like, "If you do not support us, you are _________." Which I resent. So I'm totally screwed."
OK, if you feel that Apple is somehow telling you what you must do, and if you don't support them, what follows "you are _______". In other words, fill in the blank. And.... how are you "totally screwed?" I'm genuinely curious...
First, I don't think you truly understand the antifa movement.
Aside from that, your post illustrates the slippery slope very well.
Yes, the White Supremacists have a right in the US to voice their opinions, so long as they do not injure other people. But that's the problem, no? Their ideology is to hurt and eradicate other people.
That said, I take issue with the display of Confederate symbols by the government (state or federal alike), which ironically was the symbol of the enemy of "these United States", in public places.
Thus, those who choose to do so would be identifying themselves as an enemy of the US and what it stands for, incuding freedom of speech. It's the equivalent of riding around in a pickup truck with a large ISIS flag waving in the wind.
To be clear though, freedom of speech doesn't mean you can mouth off with whatever you like. Try that in court, for example, and you can be held in contempt.
The first ammendment does not absolve an individual from the consequences of its exercise in some situations.
I rue the day that Apple released their new iPolitics service championed by Tim Cook.
Tim, please, for the love of God and all that is Holy... just focus on the tech. I'm begging you.
Tim, please, for the love of God and all that is Holy... just focus on the tech. I'm begging you.
http://nypost.com/2017/08/19/man-stabbed-after-haircut-gets-him-mistaken-for-a-neo-nazi/
https://www.rt.com/usa/400399-colorado-mistaken-neo-nazi-attack/
Witt says he’d just pulled in to the parking lot of the Steak ’n Shake in Sheridan, Colo., and was opening his car door.
“All I hear is, ‘Are you one of them neo-Nazis?’ as this dude is swinging a knife up over my car door at me,” he said.
“I threw my hands up and once the knife kind of hit, I dived back into my car and shut the door and watched him run off west, behind my car.
“The dude was actually aiming for my head,” he added.
The suspect, described by Witt as a “black male, mid 20s, slim build, about 5'10" I'm guessing, 160-ish pounds wearing a green shirt and blue jeans,” remains at large.
Thank you. I was about to post two of these myself. This is total ignorance on Apples part. No fact checking at all has gone into this.
No matter how you feel about the organizations ethics, a very small percentage of the funds will actually do what you want. If any...
And the civil rights act was filibustered by democrats and only passed because of republican support
It's not ignorance. It's a very deliberate agenda. Tim knows exactly what the SPLC is and does. Apple also donated millions to them and is matching employee donations to them at a higher than usual multiplier.
Lack of fact checking would be giving them too much credit for ignorance or outright, a pass.
It's willful ignorance: they know what they are doing completely.
People reading the articles and headlines may not understand though, as they think "Oh yay, another good Apple cause, love being an Apple customer, moving diversity along, that Tim Cook is something of a philanthropist coming from Jobs woo"
...Same with funding ADL and how the "Anti-defamation" league is actually attributed to directly *defaming* individuals. The irony.
In these extreme cases, I'd prefer a lack of philanthropic Apple, back to the old school Jobs days... At least it was what it was: a profit making machine that doesn't dress itself up beyond the classic reality distortion field marketing for the products
As a Jew, I think there is no harm in a bunch of silly looking dudes in pyjamas and pillowcases ranting. I do not think there is harm when the alt-left spew their hatred. But I do think there is great harm when the left takes upon them to define whatever is hate speech or not. I think there is great harm when the left are branding all they do not agree with as nazis or white supremacists. I think there is great harm when mainstream media is only distributing news with a leftist twist on it. And I think there is great harm when a total imbesile geriatric cheezedoodle is the president of USA. This ****er has done more harm to politics in his short time, than daddy and son Bush did combined during their four periods in office.
Antifa is not a movement, its a left extremist terrorist organisation exerting violence against whoever they define as alt-right, white supremacists, nazis or right extremists.
So a truckload of nasty racists who haven't the slightest clue about American history also buy Macs. Hopefully they'll now go away and buy something more to their taste.
BLM = KKK = Antifa. all not good for the American society.
Yes - the extreme left has plenty of blood on their hands as well - in fact left-wing militant terrorism was the main source of bombings in the USA and Europe in the 1970s - yes that was *after* Hitler. ***
From what I can gather Antifa are just self-righteous thugs waiting for an excuse to unleash their own form of though-control fascism - Don't agree with <insert theme here*>, then I hope you don't mind public de-platforming, ostracizing and violence until you agree with their views.
One can be against both neo-Nazis (a term which is bandied about far too easily) and against Antifa and think they are both wrong, perhaps even with disproportionate amount of blame.
A third party that is not innocent in this is the disgusting mainstream (and alt-left, alt-right) media that like to fan the flames of hatred, fueled by our outrage to divide society (and bring in those sweet, sweet clicks and advertising dollars).
And *that* is why I don't want Cook - who lies to the public all the time (see my previous posts on his duplicitous stance on government control and privacy, his BS about products and their demand) virtue signalling by giving to the SPLC - which has its own agenda and giving pompous emails about gay this and diversity that, so that people can feel good about themselves whilst he drains the coffers of the public, enslaving the citizenry further in credit card debt and using tax loop-holes to avoid (defer) as much tax as his greedy little hands can divert. See I can have left-leaning tendencies and be anti-Antifa?
Finally - whilst I have a well-opinionated rant going. As companies like Apple, Facebook, Google and Twitter are becoming de-facto monopolies in their respective areas (through the benefits of consumerism, globalism and the corporate fascism that is lobbying), rights such as the First Amendment, which exist to limit government encroaching on free speech, are becoming less effective at ensuring the fundamental individual freedoms of speech, thought and association that form the basis of the UN Human Rights charter.
TL;DR I do not buy into the Left-Right paradigm (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left–right_paradigm)- which has recently become the the Left-Right-Identity Politics paradigm and I don't like Tim Cook playing this game.
***Even NPR did a piece recently (I have edited for brevity) (17 june 2017):
"This is a dangerous game; people are going to die. No one's died yet, but it's just a matter of time," says J.J. McNabb, an expert on political extremism at George Washington University.
McNabb says white supremacists and neo-Nazis are widely condemned — and deservedly — for their violent tendencies. But she says the Antifa shouldn't get a pass on their violence just because they oppose white supremacists.
"These guys are odious, [but] attack them with words. Don't come in with sticks and nails in them," she says.
Antifa are not new. They're a latter-day version of the anarchists and "black bloc" groups [...] but it appears to be expanding beyond the West Coast. They are also embracing other leftist causes beyond just fighting white supremacists. [...]
"The far left is very active in the United States, but it hasn't been particularly violent for some time," says Mark Pitcavage, a senior research fellow at the Anti-Defamation League's Center on Extremism.
[...] "In the past 10 years when you look at murders committed by domestic extremists in the United States of all types, right-wing extremists are responsible for about 74 percent of those murders," Pitcavage says.
You have to go back to the 1970s to find the last big cycle of far-left extremism in the U.S. Both Pitcavage and McNabb say we have been in a predominantly far-right extremist cycle since the 1990s [...]
Still, Pitcavage says Wednesday's shooting attack on Republican members of Congress is a warning sign. He is especially concerned because the shooter apparently was not particularly extreme in his political ideas; his views were seemingly in the mainstream left.
"One act does not a trend make," Pitcavage wrote after the shooting attack. "But I am concerned that, in this highly polarized and divided society, more people who have stances that fall within the mainstream, on the left and right alike, may consider political violence an attractive option."
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Man, a lot of the comments on here further emphasize that this is not the country I thought I was living in. I know it's a minority of people (though an obnoxiously loud one), but there's still a huge number of people in that group whose values are so very different from mine. Extraordinarily sad realization that started for me and a lot of other people in this country last November. Man.
I'll try to address this larger philosophical question, but just know that you're asking a question as vast as "what is the meaning of life?" or "why do men have nipples?"and you'll have to do some research if you genuinely care because I can't bring you up to speed on EVERYTHING. nor would I want to/is that my role/would I want you to take my word for it without looking around a bit yourself. But here goes anyways:
Stockpiling cash for seemingly "good causes," wrapping it up in "objective good intentions" getting a pat on the back and increasing desire to want to support a "good cause" company while in realitycapitalizing rhetoric wise on mass-hysterical MSM events. Everyone loves cash last I checked. And setting the precedent of it being ok to silence dissenting opinions, no matter how heinous and evil they may be. Its to desensitize you. First white supremacists, tomorrow maybe it will be "white supremacist Trump's'" support base which Moore claims ALL of his base are racists and rapists. Its a slippery slope.
How many damn times do I have to watch the same 5 second clip of those lame tiki torch white supremacists denouncing the Jews from that VICE footage? Perception is a helluva interesting thing, watch a 5 second clip on loop 10 million times and you might start THINKING tiki torch white supremacists are marching all over every city as I type this, 24x7, rather than be a fringe group which is dangerous and disgusting, but sensationalized in magnitude and overblown by the media as well.
All while further dividing America, to get relatively powerless average Joes like us arguing about how we're so different when we may be more a like than not minus some key perception differences and start accusing another group of being outright bigots for voting for one candidate over another or Russian influenced instead of influenced by ones own mind (not MSM, and not Russia's), ensuring socioeconomically we remain more imbalanced than ever as a society so the ruling class remains ruling, that the rich get richer (and these aren't the bulk of 63m working citizens who voted Trump, I'm talking about corporate executives specifically if you lack an imagination) and seeing the immediate results and impact from Silicon Valley's oligarchy, influencing the way people think/speak and what they search for, and what they see when they search, etc etc. All of this has a tangible, visible impact on society.
De-Monetization of YouTube strike you as odd, this year of all years where the hated fake news main stream media wants to double down with "freedom of the press"? Me too, what about freedom of the freelance journos?
MSM&SV combined doesn't like that free lance video bloggers are taking off and cable channels aren't doing great. Their control over the narrative is slipping and they aren't dumb/ Hence the big push for YouTube TV and removing incentive for content creators, especially pol-driven content creators with dissenting opinions, as an example. They would rather see people be silenced from lack of platform/incentive than suffer a big loss in ad revenue.
WHY are they doing this? Truly WHY? When is enough money, enough? And when is power tripping, enough?
I can't pretend to understand the true evil in people's hearts and where you can find rational thought within that, but I think thats a start in trying to understand "how did we get here"
Go ahead and pick apart my argument but I think its a pretty obvious observation of several pieces working in tandem
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Stalin was left. He killed "between 3 million and 60 million". Then we have Mao, he was responsible for an estimated 65 million Chinese during the "Great Leap Forward". Pol Pot was a bit nicer, he "only" killed 1.5 million. In Bulgaria, a leftist socialist country, a mere 100.000 where killed, in East Germany, another leftist socialist country, also 100.000 where killed. In Romania, the communist dictator Nicolae Ceaușescu killed some 300.000. The list goes on. Millions upon millions where slaughtered by the left. And do not forget, NSDAP (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei), the German Nazi Party, was a socialist workers party.
NeoNazis who were even chanting "Jews will not replace us"
Do you have a link with video of this? I looked for it myself and have not found it. In the videos I did find they were chanting "YOU will not replace us". That is an Alt-Right anti-immigration slogan.
I can read German, what a party is called has little to do with how it is run. The Nazis were not socialist, not after the late 30s - they were fascist pure and simple.
GDR (German Democratic Republic aka East Germany), DPKR (Democratic People's Republic of Korea aka North Korea), Democratic Republic of the Congo are *not* democracies despite what it says on the box - so please don't use those as arguments.
Rather look at what extreme communist regimes - like the Khmer Rouge - did with language:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmer_Rouge#Language_reforms
Replacing words and phrases to those that are more "correct" more "equal". Those are dangerous concepts.
I was going to quote some folks that referenced antifa in a somewhat positive light, but decided to just put this out there. I won't insult your intelligence with what MSM is saying, as that is very clear.
However, I will give you Exhibit A from the antifa side of the record. If you read it all and are discerning, I think you may come to at least a couple of the conclusions that I did. If not, I agree to disagree. Peace...
https://itsgoingdown.org/fought-charlottesville-letter-dangers-ahead/
Let's unpack all of what's tacitly admitted to by an organizer of the antifa most of which you WON'T be seeing on the MSM evening news...
- Hate groups organize for six months, obtain legal permits and approved plans to protest removal of statue in Unite the Right rally
- Out of 370 Million people in the USA, less than 1,000 show up with 6 months of planning. Hardly a nationwide army of hate.
- They show up peacefully and initiate their legal event
- Antifa shows up with no permit, no central leadership, and - by their own admission - get violent enough to provoke a reaction
- The police do something between little and nothing to keep the two groups apart
- There are several confrontations and eventually Unite The Right disbands the event and randomly takes to the streets.
- Illegal and unpermitted antifa parties in the streets and hosts their own illegal victory march.
- Racist idiot guy acting alone drives into the crowd
- Racist douchebags labeled as "violent", antifa let completely off the hook.
Since when is it okay to walk up to someone you disagree with and provoke violence? I get that they are hater douchebags, but come on... the instigator needs to own their role just as much as the hater.
What is more guilty of causing an explosion? The gunpowder, or the match?
The blood is on both groups hands. And the SPLC is not acknowledging this common outcome with their "hate list"
However, I will give you Exhibit A from the antifa side of the record. If you read it all and are discerning, I think you may come to at least a couple of the conclusions that I did. If not, I agree to disagree. Peace...
https://itsgoingdown.org/fought-charlottesville-letter-dangers-ahead/
Let's unpack all of what's tacitly admitted to by an organizer of the antifa most of which you WON'T be seeing on the MSM evening news...
- Hate groups organize for six months, obtain legal permits and approved plans to protest removal of statue in Unite the Right rally
- Out of 370 Million people in the USA, less than 1,000 show up with 6 months of planning. Hardly a nationwide army of hate.
- They show up peacefully and initiate their legal event
- Antifa shows up with no permit, no central leadership, and - by their own admission - get violent enough to provoke a reaction
- The police do something between little and nothing to keep the two groups apart
- There are several confrontations and eventually Unite The Right disbands the event and randomly takes to the streets.
- Illegal and unpermitted antifa parties in the streets and hosts their own illegal victory march.
- Racist idiot guy acting alone drives into the crowd
- Racist douchebags labeled as "violent", antifa let completely off the hook.
Since when is it okay to walk up to someone you disagree with and provoke violence? I get that they are hater douchebags, but come on... the instigator needs to own their role just as much as the hater.
What is more guilty of causing an explosion? The gunpowder, or the match?
The blood is on both groups hands. And the SPLC is not acknowledging this common outcome with their "hate list"
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Reminds me of the following:
Hired Black Lives Matter protesters start #CutTheCheck after being stiffed by ACORN successor group
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/may/19/hired-black-lives-matter-protesters-start-cutthech/
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Reminds me of when Samantha Bee called a cancer patient a nazi because of his haircut:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ac-one-of-the-jokes-targets-has-brain-cancer/