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The patch was applied at the start of 2017 in iOS 10.2.1. They have not been deliberately slowing down your phone for years, since it has been barely a year since this happened. Apple was not wrong to deny something they weren’t doing before.

Again, you are combatting assertions I did not make.

Assuming you do not work for Apple, you know no more about their pre 2017 activity than I or anyone else does.

However :

You did agree they denied it.
You did agree they got caught doing it.

Once I catch a person or company practicing deception or operating behind my back I no longer trust a word they say.
Why should anyone trust or believe Apple execs after this?

Honest question:

Short of shooting your dog in front of your face what would it take to convince you Apple is not your trustworthy friend? You seem to give them the absolute benefit of the doubt while distorting or taking out of context every argument against their behavior.

Has it occurred to you a man with a 102 million dollar profit motive (and future stock to vest) might succumb to the temptation to do bad things? Abazigal, they're human. Apple is only men.
[doublepost=1515377607][/doublepost]Steve Jobs was justifiably famous for his "Reality Distortion Field." He cold sell sand in the Sahara.

Tim Cook has a "Credibility Distortion Shield." Some folks believe him no matter what.
 
Has it occurred to you a man with a 102 million dollar profit motive (and future stock to vest) might succumb to the temptation to do bad things? Abazigal, they're human. Apple is only men.

For most of Cook's reign it seems the soul of Apple are the shareholders.
 
For most of Cook's reign it seems the soul of Apple are the shareholders.

Sadly, the hired helps' actions victimize the shareholders too. If Apple pays a huge settlement then they lose dividends and stock value.

The only people who win here are the Executives protecting their bonuses and the lawyers.

Apple is being looted.
 
Apple must have used cheap Chinese battery for iPhone 6 and up. Apple is greedy now. The deserve to lose the lawsuits.
 
The battery case will help with battery drain, but not with the slowdown. The slowdown is based off of battery life/capacity, not current charge level.
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If the phone is in working condition, and the battery is worn, it’s the same process to change the battery, but because the water-detection strip inside shows a different color, they won’t change the battery? One really has nothing to do with the other. I think asking them to still perform the battery change really isn’t asking too much.
You’re thinking too hard. They don’t support phones with water damage because there are too many unknowns.
 
Any Russian Bots in on this gag? They made a PR mistake by underestimating how maddy-mad-mad some of you are. The software is obviously well-intentioned: as a battery ages, it’s more frail. So you open a demanding app and it crashes the whole phone? Or you open it a little more slowly, you can use it, a little slower. They should have told you.

My iPhone 6, bought in Fall ‘14, was not lasting all day by Fall ‘16. I was given an Apple battery case and had another almost year of clear sailing. Good speed, from 8 am to 12 pm. October ‘17, it’s discharging fast. I took it to the Apple Store and got it replaced. Back to normal. Fast as when I got it, but not as fast as the X. $79, true— they changed that to $29, right about cost, without labor. Into ‘18, the fourth year of its life, chugging away. What’s to dislike? I dislike not having $999 for an X, true. But the tenor of this anger is weird. The rage and phony paranoia of much of our politics these days don’t look good outside of the nether reaches of Reddit. My predictions? None of these suits will go to trial, because there’s no way to prove negligence or malign intent. Read Apple’s white paper on the matter. I got 2 years easy on the iPhone 6. I wanted the 7 but held on to my money. A present got me to 2 yrs and 9 months. Then I would rather have had an X. All Batteries Degrade and Stop Over Time. Apple controls the batteries, the hardware and the software. This allows them to do things like this, to find ways to make the phone last longer. I will end up using this phone until Fall ‘18, just as fast as it was at purchase. I call that a good deal. How do Android phones do over time? And on that side, most of the better Android phones are sealed too. And some of them exploded.
 
It's time that Apple should use a big battery to match the processing power of iPhone. What's the point of bragging about the most powerful mobile if it crawls after 1 year?
[doublepost=1515380972][/doublepost]My iPhone 5S worked fine in very cold temperatures (up to -16 deg. cel.) with iOS 9. After iOS 10, the random shutdown started. Even with 50%+ battery, it was shutting down from time to time.
 
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Apple deserves this but not because they used low quality parts. Do you know where they got there parts? Have they changed battery companies? Do they get their batteries from different companies than other phone manufacturers like Samsung?
Apple deserves the outrage to be sure but not for the parts they used. I believe this occurred because of Apple design choices along with the increasing tech that went into phones, that required more power draw from their batteries, their steadfastness on a thin phone, and their hubris about their ability to create magic. One last factor might be that high paid Apple employees replace their phone every year so they don't plan for three or more years of use from a phone. Where Apple is not responsible is battery technology. Batteries degrade over time. Everyone agrees with that. Apple made design decisions to keep the phone slim and have less battery overhead. As the battery cycles go up battery performance goes down. Not just for Apple phones but for all phones.
Where the outrage should be placed is Apple's plan to deal with the sudden shutdown issue that started to occur. I have no doubt Apple wanted to help customers by making sure their phone stopped shutting down all of a sudden. Why, because if customers get upset with their phone then they will buy a different phone. Apple wants to keep their customers happy so they keep buying iPhones. Where Apple was wrong and where they deserve the outrage was to not let users know their battery was wearing out causing the phone to perform slower and have shorter battery life. I don't think we can say Apple knew this was going to happen but we can say that Apple made design choices, thin phone, that provided too little battery overhead so that as the phone aged the problem arose. Instead of being honest, Apple did a software update they didn't explain so as to hide the problem. That is why people should be upset with Apple. Apple needs to include software built into the OS that informs the user that their battery performance has started to degrade and so the performance of the phone will be slowed so as to not create a unwanted software shutdown and that if performance is no longer acceptable then the owner may choose to replace the battery to restore the phone to full performance.
Although I like this post I still find it strange and quite plausible that Apple knew the demands of the CPU vs Battery

Quite simply to ensure rave reviews of buttery like performance, high benchmarks and good feed back from reviews etc they sacrificed long term performance/endurance and placed the burden of maintaining original performance on to the user unbekowingly

Maybe they underestimated the timing of the degregation and failed miserable to inform the consumer that your device performance is subject to battery condition

But IMO a retrospective fix is a change in sales T&C's even if the consumer was unaware. Simple before and after testing by independent bodies will demonstrate this regardless of lack of clarity in Apples marketing/spec's

Will still do not know if the 8 or the X will suffer the same fate if the CPU is too demanding or if the battery is too small or both :D
 
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I am amazed to see how much controversy is in this topic. It is really is quite simple:

1. If Apple had admitted that they had been slowing down iOS devices since iOS 10 with no reason - they would have been grilled over hot coals. As such, Apple HAD to give a reason (other than manipulation and greed). Together with the timing of Apple's admission, it brings the "battery management" reason into suspect.

2. After the slowdown to my iPad 3 when it was updated to iOS 9, I knew (not suspected) that Apple had slowed down the device using software. This led me to blacklist "mesu.apple.com" in my home router - so that iOS updates for all Apple devices in my household were banned. I strongly recommend that everyone does this too.

3. My iPhone 6S Plus was purchased on 30 March 2016 and has always been under the "no iOS update" policy. It runs its original iOS 9.2 beautifully. There has never been any shutdown issues and is responsive as on the day I bought it. Based on my old iPod Touch 2G (which also runs beautifully), I do not expect any issues with the 6S Plus for the next 5 years PROVIDED that iOS is never updated. Why is it that if I upgrade to iOS 11 tomorrow, suddenly Apple needs to slowdown my device and implement battery wear management? If there is an issue - then it must be introduced by the newer version of iOS. Why would it be a user responsibility to pay for fixing or replacing the phone due to such an issue?

4. The biggest issue here is actually Apple refusing to sign previous iOS versions so that users cannot rollback from the software slowdown code that Apple deliberately implements on your phone. Without this - they would have no financial gain from slowing down your phone. All of the class action lawsuits should seek an injunction so that moving forward Apple is required to sign every version of iOS as far back to the version that the phone originally shipping with. I know there'll be a big outcry of security risk and other excuses - but at the end of the day the end user should be in control of their phone.
 
Is that the first time you had to replace the battery in the 5s? When did it start shutting down?
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he's borderline trolling at this point.
Yeah just replaced this week. 2.5 years old. It's been shutting down for about 6 months now... maybe longer? CNt remember.
 
They can't have known this because it may or may not have been true in their particular case. There are multiple reports of iPhone 6s slowdowns that have been fixed without a battery replacement. The battery is not the sole item that affects performance.

So you are suggesting Apple slows down iDevices for reasons other than battery? o_O

Or did you just slip that out of your tongue without realizing you just opened another can of worms?
 
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Again, you are combatting assertions I did not make.

Assuming you do not work for Apple, you know no more about their pre 2017 activity than I or anyone else does.

However :

You did agree they denied it.
You did agree they got caught doing it.
Apple didn’t deny throttling your phones. They didn’t make it clear to the consumer the nature of their patch, but that’s different from expressly claiming that they didn’t do it.

Likewise, the issue here isn’t that they were slowing down your phones, but their rationale for doing so. I happen to think that what they did wasn’t all that unreasonable, and have explained in some detail my thoughts as to why they did what they did.

Once I catch a person or company practicing deception or operating behind my back I no longer trust a word they say.
Why should anyone trust or believe Apple execs after this?
That’s for the individual to decide. I can’t tell you what to think. Apple has earned my trust over the years, and I am prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt.

Honest question:

Short of shooting your dog in front of your face what would it take to convince you Apple is not your trustworthy friend? You seem to give them the absolute benefit of the doubt while distorting or taking out of context every argument against their behavior.

Has it occurred to you a man with a 102 million dollar profit motive (and future stock to vest) might succumb to the temptation to do bad things? Abazigal, they're human. Apple is only men.
[doublepost=1515377607][/doublepost]Steve Jobs was justifiably famous for his "Reality Distortion Field." He cold sell sand in the Sahara.

Tim Cook has a "Credibility Distortion Shield." Some folks believe him no matter what.
At the same time, why are you people so eager to always believe the worst in Apple?

Apple is not my friend, but I find myself speaking up for Apple because I firmly believe that they did what they felt was best then, just as they are doing what they believe is best now.

You have your beliefs, I have mine, let’s see what the courts say and what Apple does from now on. If you are disgusted with Apple, you are free to leave. I am staying, because I see that they are doing some very exciting things with wearables and I want to see where Apple goes from here.
 
I am amazed to see how much controversy is in this topic. It is really is quite simple:

2. After the slowdown to my iPad 3 when it was updated to iOS 9, I knew (not suspected) that Apple had slowed down the device using software. This led me to blacklist "mesu.apple.com" in my home router - so that iOS updates for all Apple devices in my household were banned. I strongly recommend that everyone does this too.

That is a really good idea, I may follow your lead on that. I hadn't thought about it until now...

4. The biggest issue here is actually Apple refusing to sign previous iOS versions so that users cannot rollback from the software slowdown code that Apple deliberately implements on your phone. Without this - they would have no financial gain from slowing down your phone. All of the class action lawsuits should seek an injunction so that moving forward Apple is required to sign every version of iOS as far back to the version that the phone originally shipping with. I know there'll be a big outcry of security risk and other excuses - but at the end of the day the end user should be in control of their phone.

Yes, that has been very annoying at times. Apple does a lot of manipulations that on the surface seem like a good idea, but when you hear about intentional slowdowns and others weirdness, it begins to look like their motives are "suspect" to say the least.
 
I am amazed to see how much controversy is in this topic. It is really is quite simple:

1. If Apple had admitted that they had been slowing down iOS devices since iOS 10 with no reason - they would have been grilled over hot coals. As such, Apple HAD to give a reason (other than manipulation and greed). Together with the timing of Apple's admission, it brings the "battery management" reason into suspect.

2. After the slowdown to my iPad 3 when it was updated to iOS 9, I knew (not suspected) that Apple had slowed down the device using software. This led me to blacklist "mesu.apple.com" in my home router - so that iOS updates for all Apple devices in my household were banned. I strongly recommend that everyone does this too.

3. My iPhone 6S Plus was purchased on 30 March 2016 and has always been under the "no iOS update" policy. It runs its original iOS 9.2 beautifully. There has never been any shutdown issues and is responsive as on the day I bought it. Based on my old iPod Touch 2G (which also runs beautifully), I do not expect any issues with the 6S Plus for the next 5 years PROVIDED that iOS is never updated. Why is it that if I upgrade to iOS 11 tomorrow, suddenly Apple needs to slowdown my device and implement battery wear management? If there is an issue - then it must be introduced by the newer version of iOS. Why would it be a user responsibility to pay for fixing or replacing the phone due to such an issue?

4. The biggest issue here is actually Apple refusing to sign previous iOS versions so that users cannot rollback from the software slowdown code that Apple deliberately implements on your phone. Without this - they would have no financial gain from slowing down your phone. All of the class action lawsuits should seek an injunction so that moving forward Apple is required to sign every version of iOS as far back to the version that the phone originally shipping with. I know there'll be a big outcry of security risk and other excuses - but at the end of the day the end user should be in control of their phone.

Highly doubt Apple will be required to sign previous iOS firmware. The security risk is no doubt a huge issue that Apple clearly knows will cause more harm than good when letting users downgrade.
 
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Why isn't Macrumors reporting this? Third iPhone battery lawsuit says Apple used slowdowns to avoid fixing defects.

There is a defect and Apple is covering it up. This would explain why other smartphone manufacturers don't need to throttle, or why the issue only affects a few iPhone models but not all.

All power management on all mobile devices involves powering back components some of the time. All the other manufacturers have only said that they don't do things the way Apple does as regards battery age, etc and they've been very specific about that and are wise to not completely disavow throttling of any sort since it would be wrong.
 
Sound like a great way to increase the number of devices susceptible to malware and known exploits. Hope you know how to secure you household network better than experian.

As well as I predicted the topic of your response, which I expressed clearly in my post.

I have configured all the iPhones in my household to harden the security (eg. it's basic stuff such as turning off Siri from the lockscreen). The majority of remaining exploits require being physically near my phone. I am a nobody. No-one has, and I doubt ever will, make that much effort to hack my phone. If they were that close a person - surely it would be simply easier to mug them or threaten them with a wrench?
 
I think Apple will probably stop the practice or give you a choice to enable it. I like that they are adding battery features and information as well.

Agreed. I think they'll give users a choice... longer battery life or faster phone. Cannot have both in an older phone unless you quit upgrading the OS.

I'd like to see them give real recommendations for each new version of the OS. If they get to a point where the OS may slow down an older phone or eat up battery life, they need to tell people so they can choose not to update the OS and/or choose to update their phone... or update and be aware of the potential issues.
 
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You say this as if it's always been a reality of iPhone ownership. It hasn't been. For some reason around the time the iPhone 6 arrived Apple suddenly seemed to have issues and concerns about battery degradation.

Not true. My iPhone 5S would regularly shut down when temperatures dropped below 10C. This stopped as soon as I replaced the battery.
 
Again, you are combatting assertions I did not make.

Assuming you do not work for Apple, you know no more about their pre 2017 activity than I or anyone else does.

However :

You did agree they denied it.
You did agree they got caught doing it.

Once I catch a person or company practicing deception or operating behind my back I no longer trust a word they say.
Why should anyone trust or believe Apple execs after this?

Honest question:

Short of shooting your dog in front of your face what would it take to convince you Apple is not your trustworthy friend? You seem to give them the absolute benefit of the doubt while distorting or taking out of context every argument against their behavior.

Has it occurred to you a man with a 102 million dollar profit motive (and future stock to vest) might succumb to the temptation to do bad things? Abazigal, they're human. Apple is only men.
[doublepost=1515377607][/doublepost]Steve Jobs was justifiably famous for his "Reality Distortion Field." He cold sell sand in the Sahara.

Tim Cook has a "Credibility Distortion Shield." Some folks believe him no matter what.

Because it isn't deception, and the steps are quite logical.

1. People are complaining about phones shutting down
2. Apple logs show the issue is peak voltage draws lasting short periods of time overloading the battery.
3. The battery still works fine most of the time otherwise.
4. Option 1: Replace fairly new batteries because of momentary voltage draws that not everyone is even experiencing. Option 2. Let users experience shutdowns Option 3. Prevent peak draws, allowing the phone to be usable longer in daily use and in general for the people its affecting, until the battery degrades enough to be replaced later.
5.Incorporate what you learned in future iphone/iOS designs.
 
Not true. My iPhone 5S would regularly shut down when temperatures dropped below 10C. This stopped as soon as I replaced the battery.

In my experience, I have used my iPhone 5S in iOS 8/9 days with up to -16 degrees and did not encounter shutdowns. When I upgraded to iOS 10, it started randomly.
 
Sorry if I’ve missed it, but is there a way to opt out? It seems they are prepared to make good.
 
Because it isn't deception, and the steps are quite logical.

1. People are complaining about phones shutting down
2. Apple logs show the issue is peak voltage draws lasting short periods of time overloading the battery.
3. The battery still works fine most of the time otherwise.
4. Option 1: Replace fairly new batteries because of momentary voltage draws that not everyone is even experiencing. Option 2. Let users experience shutdowns Option 3. Prevent peak draws, allowing the phone to be usable longer in daily use and in general for the people its affecting, until the battery degrades enough to be replaced later.
5.Incorporate what you learned in future iphone/iOS designs.

Stealth throttling update, removing tool to check battery health, and then denying initial reports of throttling by iphone users until the bad PR became too big sounds a lot like deception.
 
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I don't understand why people are willing to sue Apple because of their phone slowing down. For that, I might as well sue Comcast and AT&T for slow internet coverage while doing my homework. Things like this will happen so might as well get used to it. Better yet, sue every company out there for slow traffic, slow waiting lines at stores, slow gas pumps, and slow cookers (lol).
 
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