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Apple Officially Announces Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard

I'm not too upset personally about the EDU pricing (as I have my $100 iPhone voucher and so instead of being free it will only cost me $16). BUT I do think that it is inherently unfair. I understand that $13 is roughly ten percent off of Leopard, and perhaps Apple wants to standardize the discount at 10%. But a $13 discount defeats the purpose of the discount, which is to bring pricey products into the hands of people who cannot readily afford them. What's next EDU Final Cut Pro - $1,170? I know I wouldn't have been able to (almost) get through school with those kinds of prices. At $13, Apple should have just dropped the discount, it serves no purpose at that level except perhaps to save some face. It's a shame Apple is moving in this direction. Ah well, I guess I graduate in May and won't have the discount anymore anyway ;)

Mark.

EDIT - Oh, I guess I should add that I think Apple is keeping the prices the same (iLife, iWork and even Leopard) at the campus computer stores themselves (which explains the cornell discrepancy, as you don't order from that custom website, but "send the order to your apple purchaser" - trust me, I looked ;) ). I guess this is good for cutting down on fraud, and the trade off is we have to just wait a little longer. Oh well, I still have the iPhone discount and that won't work at the school, so I guess it's $16 for me.
 
Rodimus Prime said:
No that is not spinning it. When comparing price changes the % change is always based off the old price not the new one when it goes either way.

Unless you want to explain how $47 is 40% increase in price from 69.
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Ive already explained my position. You can look at it however you choose. $69 is 100% of $69. It is 60% of $116, and $47 is 40% of $116. So in the grand scheme of things you are paying 40% more than you would have.
 
Rodimus Prime said:
Just wow on the edu price. It is a safe bet that pirating of Leopard are going to sky rocket.

Apple is taking adatage of students because they know students are most likely to want to be on the cutting edge so they are going after the easy money from people who can not afford it. It looks like apple is trying to phase out the edu pricing slowly. Well Apple looks like M$ is going to go back to kicking you rear in the edu world.
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It was a good bet that pirating of leopard was always going to happen... Keep it at 69 would have been stupid... I would be happier if there were "top secret" features.
 
desenso said:
I really doubt this will change anything... students who would have bought leopard at $70 will buy it at $120... Apple is just choosing to be a little less friendly now. It makes sense with the massive adoption rate on college campuses. Apple can't keep losing its margins there..
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I would beg to differ. A $50 increase means a lot to any student.
 
Warbrain said:
40 dollars can be make or break for the vast majority of college students.
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bwahaha.. give it a rest already. That's a tank of gas.

Look, you already own a Mac which means someone shelled out for the hipster laptop. (I don't blame ya, I love them too or I wouldn't be here.) You're in college. Life is a cakewalk. Suck it up and deal, this is the best time of your life. Wait until you hit the real world and have to pay for car insurance and mortgage and utilities and and later on diapers and ... Oh man.. please quit whining. You want my life? I just paid $2600 in bills and credit card payments, the same day I got paid. My next paycheck.. will go to mortgage, homeowners association, groceries... will be gone the day I get it. I'd really love to get a new Mac Pro, but guess what. All my money is gone, just like happens every paycheck. But hey guess what... somehow I'll manage to get the new OS without even a student discount.

Sorry- precoffee felt the need to dump after reading all these whiny-a$$ snot nosed students. Quit whining kiddies. Life isn't all THAT bad. You aren't exactly struggling in Ruanda. Get a helmet.
 
ph0rk said:
I sincerely hope that you are joking. Even so - poor taste, poor taste.


The higher education system RUNS on beer (and coffee). At least I can brew my own coffee. (given my apartment space issues homebrew beer is out of the question, and moonshine is still illegal in NC).
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Do it like they do it at hockey games, add 50% water...
Sell some old p0rn mags...
Get the family pack with your 4 roommates...

So many ideas..
 
stockcerts said:
I am going to buy the upgrade probably on the 27th. Is their any real point to pre-ordering...I'm not sure I see the benefit.
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Ditto. I actually wonder if it's better to wait for 10.5.1 & all the kinks have been fixed.

stockcerts said:
I have a new IMac. Would it be better to install the new update over the existing, or to do a clean install, deleting everything that's currently on my hard drive.
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Always a good question. I'm in the same boat there. Curious what folks will recommend...
 
nickane said:
In the UK, the edu price is not the same as the Higher Education price. Its 8% (similar to the discount here) for all students on all Apple products, but varies widely according to what product it is for Uni students (about 15% for a Mac, I think). You can't even see the Higher Education prices online unless you access the page from one of Apple's list of approved university networks, and you can't order by phone without photocopying your student card and sending it to Apple. Maybe that's what's going on here. Maybe the students who can still see the discount are simply looking at the page from the right networks, whereas the other students are using private connections...
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Except I am in my office at UNC-chapel hill as we speak, using the campus network. (And I see $116).

I wonder if it will correct itself.
 
Wow, I too am put off by the $116 price... For years, I used to pirate software, particularly Windows XP because it was so freaking over priced when I would go to build a system... When I converted to Mac this year, I told myself that I would not do this anymore, esp. because the student version of OS X (I am a student) was very well priced. But that price tag just about means the difference between pirating and staying with Tiger. And I am really really looking forward to Leopard...

Apple, why do ye torment me so!?!?!
 
So, If I buy a Macbook Pro right now, at this moment, will I get Leopard pre-installed in it? Will I have to get my computer and then fill the form to get leopard at the shipping only price? It doesn't say anything about buying a computer right now and get it on the 26th with Leopard in it. If not, when do you guys think the computers will be sold with Leopard in it and not Tiger?
 
If it's too expensive ...

... don't buy it. Simple. No one is forcing you to get it. You'll still be able to finish your education without it.
 
Warbrain said:
You may not get it the day it comes out, but MacMall sure as hell beats the EDU discount.

http://www.macmall.com/macmall/shop...v10.5 Leopard - Single User-Operating Systems
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Hell no, this is not the time to buy it from a reseller. You will never get it in time. Apple will make sure it's own customers get satisfied first so this is a heads up for everyone. Order Leopard from the Apple online store or buy it person at the retail store.
If anyone decides to buy it from a reseller and it doesn't ship until say November don't whine.
 
To UK students moaning about not getting a decent discount:

Make sure you use the correct site: http://apple.procureweb.ac.uk/
This can only be accessed from your university/college's network.

Using this link you get Leopard for £58 ($116) vs the normal £85 ($170), a pretty decent 30% discount.

I imagine its a similar case in other international stores, but there is at least 2 sets of 'educational prices' for macs and software on the apple store, one can be accessed from anywhere, one ONLY from your institution. The 'other' educational discount gets you leopard for £75 ($150).

Also, for UK people moaning about paying 20% more, yeah its crap, but its more likely VAT (17.5%), blame the government.
 
notjustjay said:
You know what, I sympathize, because I remember in my undergrad years I made $500 a month from working with a prof during the school year (somewhat more during the summer months).

But when I was a poor starving undergrad student, I didn't own a Mac. Couldn't afford it. I bought a dirt cheap Dell laptop.

It wasn't until my grad school years, when funding and scholarships and TA'ing started to look better, that I was finally able to buy a PowerBook. Even then, that purchase put me into a circle of credit card debt that took about 3 years to fully recover from. I submit that, in retrospect, I couldn't properly afford a Mac.

All you students that could actually comfortably afford the MacBook Pro you're typing your complaints on: Suck it up. You're doing better than I did.
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this is turning into monty python; "we were so poor we used to live in a hole in the road covered by a tarpaulin sheet".

anyway..i'll join in. i didn't have a computer at all as an undergraduate. i typed my essays up in the university's computer room. as a postgraduate student i borrowed money to buy an ibook. aswell as a huge enormous loan for fees. only to end up being too ill to work as the lawyer i rather expensively became. i'd still spend $40 though to buy something if i really wanted it.
 
I bought Jaguar, Panther and Tiger with student discount, because i felt i had to support Apple and shouldn't steal from them. I talked lots and lots of friends into buying a Mac because its such a great product (it still is) and the company has such a great attitude. However, i have come to feel that this attitude has changed.

I thought about buying an iPhone and an AppleTV but their lock in made me think otherwise, i will go for a N95-8gb which is superior anyway (it has HDSPA and GPS).

The lame student discount feels like another stab in the back, while 115€ might not be that much in absolute sense it is still too much for the stuff that it gives me extra. And when we apply the dollar/euro conversion rate to this it would cost me almost 160$. Unbelievable! I just bought a MBPro a few months ago and now they expect me to pay this much for an upgrade.

I could get Vista with student discount for 45€ or even a combo pack, Vista Business + Office 2003 Corporate for 83,50€

I still think OSX is superior over any other operating system, so i will keep using it. But i will keep a close eye on Linux and won't be afraid to jump ship. Much other used-to-be-apple-aficionado already took the plunge.
 
livelikeriley said:
EDIT - Oh, I guess I should add that I think Apple is keeping the prices the same (iLife, iWork and even Leopard) at the campus computer stores themselves (which explains the cornell discrepancy, as you don't order from that custom website, but "send the order to your apple purchaser" - trust me, I looked ;) ). I guess this is good for cutting down on fraud, and the trade off is we have to just wait a little longer. Oh well, I still have the iPhone discount and that won't work at the school, so I guess it's $16 for me.
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It's quite possible. I often find the price of some items in the apple store on my campus cheaper than the "official" edu price.
 
ltcol266845 said:
Wow, I too am put off by the $116 price... For years, I used to pirate software, particularly Windows XP because it was so freaking over priced when I would go to build a system... When I converted to Mac this year, I told myself that I would not do this anymore, esp. because the student version of OS X (I am a student) was very well priced. But that price tag just about means the difference between pirating and staying with Tiger. And I am really really looking forward to Leopard...

Apple, why do ye torment me so!?!?!
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So you are willing to steal something because it costs more than you wanted to pay?
 
Rodimus Prime said:
very true. 40 buck is a week worth of groceries for me. I might and I mean MIGHT of been able to afford it at the $70-80 range and yes that would of been pushing it but increase that 40-50 bucks and it is beyond what I can afford to spend on it. So it will be some time before I get my hands on Leopard.
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Flamebait. Maybe you can start up a charity campaign so all the poor students who own Apple laptops can upgrade to the new OS. Somehow you'll manage me thinks. Go deliver some pizza or something. If not, maybe pawn your iPhone.
 
Tomaz said:
Do it like they do it at hockey games, add 50% water...
Sell some old p0rn mags...
Get the family pack with your 4 roommates...

So many ideas..
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Roommates? Grad students most often nest alone in the wild.
And for the record, I don't even buy myself nice beer, I drink PBR and cheaper :(

I suggest you visit www.phdcomics.com.



Mmmm, PBR and ramen.
 
Eric Piercey said:
bwahaha.. give it a rest already. That's a tank of gas.

Look, you already own a Mac which means someone shelled out for the hipster laptop. (I don't blame ya, I love them too or I wouldn't be here.) You're in college. Life is a cakewalk. Suck it up and deal, this is the best time of your life. Wait until you hit the real world and have to pay for car insurance and mortgage and utilities and and later on diapers and ... Oh man.. please quit whining. You want my life? I just paid $2600 in bills and credit card payments, the same day I got paid. My next paycheck.. will go to mortgage, homeowners association, groceries... will be gone the day I get it. I'd really love to get a new Mac Pro, but guess what. All my money is gone, just like happens every paycheck. But hey guess what... somehow I'll manage to get the new OS without even a student discount.

Sorry- precoffee felt the need to dump after reading all these whiny-a$$ snot nosed students. Quit whining kiddies. Life isn't all THAT bad. You aren't exactly struggling in Ruanda. Get a helmet.
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Dude, comparing what college students live on and someone who has a full time job and family really doesn't work.

I was a poor college student and know what they are talking about. A few dollars here or there really means whether you are going to eat or not. Having a full time job as well now and a family is quite different. My wife are now able to actually save money because we MAKE it. I used to only get money from my parents. NOT the same thing.
 
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