Apple Officially Announces Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard

[sndgeek91]

NO QuickTime upgrades?!?!

Anyone else notice that the alleged updates to QuickTime are now conspicuously missing in the announcements and on Apple's OS X web page? I.E. captioning support and other accessibility enhancements?

Pulled and/or not ready for prime time?

 

[!¡ V ¡!]

SO all those people "waiting for Leopard" have gone a few weeks without their notebook for nothing.

I had a back-up plan.

 

[chr1s60]

This has probably been answered already, but there are way too many pages to look through. If I want to get a new MacBook Pro with Leopard installed, how long do I have to wait? On the 26th will they already be shipping with Leopard installed or do I have to wait longer?

 

[milo]

"Teachers are woefully underpaid."


Woefully false.

If true, we would see scores of unfilled teaching positions, since the wage would not draw an adequate pool of workers to fill the positions.

Instead, we see scores of teachers competing for few positions, since the wage is more than sufficient to draw a surplus of workers seeking to fill the positions.

But we DO see scores of unfilled teaching positions. There's a teacher shortage in this country. We DO see teachers competing for a few positions, but that's because they're competing for the tiny number of GOOD positions.

There's also the factor of college students with rose coloured glasses wanting to be teachers. Frankly, the universities aren't honest with students about how crappy teaching jobs are. You get people fresh out of school who will take any job at first to get started, but when there's nothing better to move up to, they leave the profession.

Half of teachers drop out in their first three years of teaching. You're never going to get good results from that.

You have things backwards. Bad pay for teachers means few are willing to do it. When there aren't enough good teachers to fill positions, the schools have no choice but to try and get people who are underqualified to do it (some cities are even trying to recruit people who aren't teachers to teach). Schools don't have the option of sending kids home because they couldn't find a good enough teacher.

The normal capitalistic forces don't work with teaching - if a business can't get good employees, they can raise wages and can raise prices to cover those costs. A school doesn't have that option, they are stuck with whatever money the government gives them.

Quality results cost money. People want a top notch educational system but at a wal-mart price.

 

[!¡ V ¡!]

My only disappointment is that Time Machine use a external drive, with the hardrive coming to 1TB for a laptop, there is no need to bring a external drive. And Apple is poisoning its students consumers I think ,for decades , Steve Jobs has been with the education side , it's a murder to make a 116$ for educational discount,and the back to school program is just to be a way to get their recent iPod Nano out of stock ,so they can sell new ones.

As the education market growing so fast for The Mac, Apple should really think about his way to tread his educationally customers

One of the reasons that TimeMachine is on an external HDD is because if the internal HDD crashes you have a back-up of your files. Curious if TimeMachine makes a back-up of the entire OS for each user, unless that is a OS 10.6 feature.

External HDD solutions are a safe bet, might add to the cost however its a safe bet nonetheless.

 

[vadim.iablokov]

Woohoo my university (uof Calgary) is offering leopard for $76! Although I'll get it the following tuesday, oh well. I'll let the rest of you jump into it and tell me if there are any outstanding bugs.

 

[e.magnusson]

Definitely pre-ordered when I saw that. OOH I'm so excited.
So...it said to things though, delivers by 26th and ships by the 26th. I guess its probably ships by the 26th. Oh Well. I ordered an iPod touch a while back and its expected to arrive as well on the 26th. That will be a good day!

 

[!¡ V ¡!]

This has probably been answered already, but there are way too many pages to look through. If I want to get a new MacBook Pro with Leopard installed, how long do I have to wait? On the 26th will they already be shipping with Leopard installed or do I have to wait longer?

I purchased a MBP today and get OS 10.5 for free (only have to pay for shipping + tax). If you want OS 10.5 pre-installed you might have to wait after 26 Oct, safer bet would be a week after release.

 

[CashGap]

"But we DO see scores of unfilled teaching positions. "

Where?

"The normal capitalistic forces don't work with teaching"

Yes, they do, and they are working. The decisions are made by organized labor, intent on the maximum amount they can "harvest" from a school district. The winning play for them is low/no teaching standards, tenure as a proxy for ability, and the resulting low wages due to oversupply.

The unions will tell you it's dollars and class size, the data will tell you those have very low correlation with outcome.

Socialism's last hope in America is our public school system.

 

[glennyboiwpg]

But we DO see scores of unfilled teaching positions. There's a teacher shortage in this country. We DO see teachers competing for a few positions, but that's because they're competing for the tiny number of GOOD positions.

There's also the factor of college students with rose coloured glasses wanting to be teachers. Frankly, the universities aren't honest with students about how crappy teaching jobs are. You get people fresh out of school who will take any job at first to get started, but when there's nothing better to move up to, they leave the profession.

Half of teachers drop out in their first three years of teaching. You're never going to get good results from that.

You have things backwards. Bad pay for teachers means few are willing to do it. When there aren't enough good teachers to fill positions, the schools have no choice but to try and get people who are underqualified to do it (some cities are even trying to recruit people who aren't teachers to teach). Schools don't have the option of sending kids home because they couldn't find a good enough teacher.

The normal capitalistic forces don't work with teaching - if a business can't get good employees, they can raise wages and can raise prices to cover those costs. A school doesn't have that option, they are stuck with whatever money the government gives them.

Quality results cost money. People want a top notch educational system but at a wal-mart price.

Can we talk about... oh I don't know... leopard here? this is a LEOPARD foram... not an apple educational price policy foarm.


GEEEZ guys... quit your complaining! Or at least move it to a different discussion!

 

[padmasana]

I certainly understand the "sticker shock" for anyone with the ed. discount.
And I hope the folks that now say "I'll just get it as a torrent" are just blowing off some steam.

 

[cparker]

RE: Education Discount Pricing Change

You may still be able to get the old $69 educational discount price for Leopard, but you *need* to call your local Apple educational sales representative. I just did, and got it pre-ordered for $69. The woman I spoke with didn't even know about the $116 pricing for individual students and educators.

In speaking with my Apple rep, I told her I wouldn't mind the price increase so much...if the *retail* price had also jumped up $47. Then I would understand. This is just a $13 savings over retail...big deal. You can get a better price break buying it retail from MacMall.com for $109 and free shipping right now.

From my perspective, it just sounded like students and educators were taking somewhat of a hit, regardless of how "great" 10.5 is supposed to be. Let's face it: every OS upgrade has had a lot of time and expense put into it. Again, I wouldn't mind the $116 price tag, if the regular retail price had increased by the same rate proportionally. But it didn't, and that's what didn't sit right with me. Or, just come out and say "no more educator discounts" and be honest about it from the get go.

Anyway, if you're an educator or a student, call your Apple Education rep directly and express your feelings about this. You may just get Leopard for $69 after all. Or just go to MacMall and save yourself some bucks there!

 

[HailToTheVictor]

Anyone else notice that the alleged updates to QuickTime are now conspicuously missing in the announcements and on Apple's OS X web page? I.E. captioning support and other accessibility enhancements?

Pulled and/or not ready for prime time?

they've been working on it

 

[Cougarcat]

Well i just got done chatting with someone on the Apple Online Chat and they said that the link to the Cornell price is because of a custom store.

The pricing for a custom store can be different from the normal edu stores. She wouldn't/couldn't give me a reason, so I am not happy with this new information.


Christopher

That cornell link was to the institutional (not personal) store, which is why. If you clicked buy now it said "make a proposal."

 

[Project]

Can anybody running Leopard at the moment confirm whether you can or cannot change the font in Notes and To-Dos?

 

[goosnarrggh]

This is already done in most European countries. Makes it convenient when you do not have to calculate the tax on an item and just figure out that 1 = 1 and not 1 = 1.09

But I want to have 1 = 1.09.

That way, I get a clear reminder that the store is getting 1, and the government is getting 0.09. As I said before, adding the tax at the till serves as a visceral reminder to me every time I purchase anything, to hold the government responsible for keeping its spending under control, because I am helping to pay for that spending every time I buy something.

If 1 is equal to 1, but there's still tax being applied in the background, then I can be lulled into thinking that the manufacturer is obtaining all the benefit for the dollars I'm spending. I can become blind to the various ways in which the government might be spending my money, because I don't have any reminder of the fact that the government is getting its cut.

 

[milo]

Can we talk about... oh I don't know... leopard here? this is a LEOPARD foram... not an apple educational price policy foarm.

I'd be as happy as anyone else to see this stay on topic, but I'm not going to let idiotic posts slide.

 

[jackc]

Now how many people looked at the apple.com homepage more than once even though you already knew what was on there?

Get a life you losers

*checks apple.com to make sure counter is working*

 

[HLdan]

Although I am not siding a whole lot with the people complaining I find it it laughable that I just received an email from Apple offering me to get Leopard at my student discount. The email says, pre-order and save. LOL. $13. Well I'm going to order it.

 

[hadleydb]

Anyone else get an email from December 31st 1969?

I just found the date kinda strange in my email from Apple. Yes the screenshot shows windows... (work computer )

I can't wait until the 26th!!!!!

I've always got my copy of OSX from my College Store, but I'm so excited about Leopard I don't care about the price this time (I saved for the $129.00 just to get it from the Apple store. Yes I'm strange.) We finally got an Apple Store in Salt Lake and I will be there for the release.

 

[Eidorian]

I just found the date kinda strange in my email from Apple. Yes the screenshot shows windows... (work computer )

I can't wait until the 26th!!!!!

I've always got my copy of OSX from my College Store, but I'm so excited about Leopard I don't care about the price this time (I saved for the $129.00 just to get it from the Apple store. Yes I'm strange.) We finally got an Apple Store in Salt Lake and I will be there for the release.

I checked my Squirrel Mail and it says 12:23 PM today.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

You may still be able to get the old $69 educational discount price for Leopard, but you *need* to call your local Apple educational sales representative. I just did, and got it pre-ordered for $69. The woman I spoke with didn't even know about the $116 pricing for individual students and educators.

In speaking with my Apple rep, I told her I wouldn't mind the price increase so much...if the *retail* price had also jumped up $47. Then I would understand. This is just a $13 savings over retail...big deal. You can get a better price break buying it retail from MacMall.com for $109 and free shipping right now.

From my perspective, it just sounded like students and educators were taking somewhat of a hit, regardless of how "great" 10.5 is supposed to be. Let's face it: every OS upgrade has had a lot of time and expense put into it. Again, I wouldn't mind the $116 price tag, if the regular retail price had increased by the same rate proportionally. But it didn't, and that's what didn't sit right with me. Or, just come out and say "no more educator discounts" and be honest about it from the get go.

Anyway, if you're an educator or a student, call your Apple Education rep directly and express your feelings about this. You may just get Leopard for $69 after all. Or just go to MacMall and save yourself some bucks there!

oh but if they raised all the prices by that much the student complaining would not be here but everyone else complaining about the price jump.

This just cause people to get divided because it was a huge price increase to the students and it seems like some people are jealous of the fact students got the discount. But like some else pointed out Apple is pulling alway from it Edu prices in everything. So that is just going to cause students to go elsewhere. I like the fact apple was so nice to students and made a point of helping them out. Now it just a token thing to look pretty and not one worthy of any respect. Other companies now are blowing apple out of the water in how they help out students. M$ is head over heals better than apple right now in the cutting students a break.

 

[aranhamo]

Do this.

Get 4 of your friends together with you. Buy the 5-seat version at $200.

That's $40 per person!!

That also violates the Family Pack license, since all the computers must be in the same household.

 

[plumosa]

I've always got my copy of OSX from my College Store, but I'm so excited about Leopard I don't care about the price this time (I saved for the $129.00 just to get it from the Apple store. Yes I'm strange.) We finally got an Apple Store in Salt Lake and I will be there for the release.

you do know you can get your education discount in the apple store, right?

 

[goosnarrggh]

That also violates the Family Pack license, since all the computers must be in the same household and it specifically excludes students.

Or rather, it specifically lumps students into their "primary" household (allowing them to legitimately take advantage of their parents' or siblings' family package) rather than their "school" household.

For students who have permanently moved away from their parents' home, I think their "school" household would have to qualify as their "primary" household too, so I think their co-habitants (regardless of family relation) would probably qualify without too much trouble.