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Apple Officially Discontinues 30-Inch and 24-Inch Cinema Displays
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13 computers can be a b@st@rd to administer... Out of 50+ computers in a network, 13 computers get all my attention.
Lame, lame, lame.......
Apple officially leaves the Pro ring.
Who the hell will edit videos etc on a glossy screen?
Anyone notice that the Mac Pro upgrade is not even featured in the 2 top levels of the Apple web site and that you have to dig deep to find any mention of them or the new monitor.
Lame, lame, lame..........
Great post and great observations!
Apple continues to prove that they no longer care about professionals. Oh well. It was good while it lasted.
Lame, lame, lame.......
Apple officially leaves the Pro ring.
Who the hell will edit videos etc on a glossy screen?
Anyone notice that the Mac Pro upgrade is not even featured in the 2 top levels of the Apple web site and that you have to dig deep to find any mention of them or the new monitor.
Lame, lame, lame..........
Damn! Damn! Damn! Damn!
I've become accustomed to her face...
I totally agree. I've been using Apple computers since 1981, and Macs since 1987. It is a shame that Apple is presently valuing form over function.
You are totally wrong in every point you made. You say, "There are literally HUNDREDS of decent choices from other manufacturers to get a monitor," but you fail to realize that nearly all IPS monitors being sold today are wide gamut. Apple was the only company today making an IPS panel that was sRGB (i.e., 72% NTSC). Wide gamut monitors are a nightmare for everything aside from Photoshop, because the colors will be too saturated, and there is no way to fix that. Most people who do not use Photoshop work in the sRGB color space. Apple's 30" display was the only 30" sRGB display, and one of the very few IPS sRGB displays of any size being sold today. The rest (i.e., the "literally HUNDREDS" that you mention) are all wide gamut.
Yup. They're tweaked for consumers who want popping colors. The red on my Dell 3007WFP is so over the top it's practically fluorescent.
On the other hand, if you work on web graphics or software GUIs it's good to get a sense of what it will look like on a consumer screen. It's like studio monitors for music production... the Yamaha NS-10M speakers were always very popular reference monitors and it's not because they sound great (they don't) but because they're the quintessential mediocre home stereo speakers. If you mix everything on perfect $50,000 audiophile monitors it may end up sounding like complete garbage on home stereos, clock radios and earbuds.
Totally agree here. If you can get your stuff to sound or look good on total POS equipment, it will sound or look good on anything.
When people are more concerned about "fashion" instead of function we know that Apple can do no wrong since who cares about CPU power, high-end graphics or anything else of actual merit so long as it's Lady Gaga fashion friendly.
BTW, there is NOTHING wrong with those other monitors' looks. I actually take more issue with Apple because they don't offer a proper matte display. Reflections are EVIL.
Apple continues to prove that they no longer care about professionals. Oh well. It was good while it lasted.
Professionals? Hell, they don't even care about SERIOUS computer users anymore at the consumer level, let alone professionals. The fact "the most advanced operating system in the world" is still using OpenGL 2.1 says it all, I'm afraid...but then I would be forgetting the totally crappy GPU hardware and total lack of real desktop system other than a workstation level computer.
Sadly, this is THE reason why we have so many CRAPPY sounding albums out there so I'll have to disagree about using crap studio monitors. If you mix on CRAP, you get CRAP out. Garbage In = Garbage Out and it's NEVER been more true than in the music industry. A properly mixed album on a great system will sound as good as possibly can on any decent system. Bass and treble knobs were invented for crap speaker systems. If you mix for crap, your album sounds like crap. PERIOD. I used to review rock albums for sound quality and the one album that REALLY stands out in that regard in my mind was Firehouse's first album of the same name. I really liked a lot of the songs on it at the time, but it sounded AWFUL on my high-end rig and merely acceptable on a low-end rig (you cannot predict low-end sound; it varies far too much). Albums like the Red Hot Chili Peppers' Californication add insult to injury and compress the sound so much that it literally clips like mad the entire album. How they could not hear that before they released it is beyond me. I guess they were using those crap speakers you guys were praising so much for mixing down albums with (I did notice the music videos sounded "ok" on a cheap tv speaker so I'm guessing that's EXACTLY how they missed such a travesty hack mixing job).
I'm mixing my current project on my Carver Ribbon speakers, but then I double check the sound on a set of Klipsch speakers in the den and a set of PSB speakers in my home theater room and I verify imaging against all three AND headphones (both a studio set and a set of JVC noise-canceling headphones. When it sounds great on all of them, I know it will sound great on anything but the absolute crappiest garbage out there (sadly, that would mean Apple's earbuds
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When people are more concerned about "fashion" instead of function we know that Apple can do no wrong since who cares about CPU power, high-end graphics or anything else of actual merit so long as it's Lady Gaga fashion friendly.
BTW, there is NOTHING wrong with those other monitors' looks. I actually take more issue with Apple because they don't offer a proper matte display. Reflections are EVIL.
Professionals? Hell, they don't even care about SERIOUS computer users anymore at the consumer level, let alone professionals. The fact "the most advanced operating system in the world" is still using OpenGL 2.1 says it all, I'm afraid...but then I would be forgetting the totally crappy GPU hardware and total lack of real desktop system other than a workstation level computer.
Snow Leopard supports OpenGL 3 extensions, just not the new GLSL version.
Now this is the end of an era.... the 30" ACD was a marvelous display: a real icon... but by today's tech standards, its really outdated... for example, it still features Firewire 400 (while all current macs come with FW800) and old fashion LCD backlight.
Anyway... I hope they release a 30+ inch LED display, with higher resolutions, FW and USB, microphone, isight, speakers (although speakers are not really really critical IMO, as most Pro users choose better external speakers)... a similar Aluminum design... AND ANTIGLARE!!!
cheers!
Well at least the new 27" has the latest cutting edge ports, USB 2...
Can anyone point me to a decent Apple alternative, that will accept DVI input from my 2008 Mac Pro?
It depends on what you need it for.
The obvious options are:
Dell UltraSharpTM U2711
HP's 30-inch ZR30w
NEC MultiSync 2690WUXi2
After some review and recommendations, I'm thinking the HP ZR24W may compliment my system. While I admit it's fugly compared to the sleek Apple look, I refuse to support a company who seems less interested in serious hardware and more concerned with iDevices. Sorry Apple, after a decade, you have disappointed many professionals that were loyal to you when you were just a fleeting company trying to make a "different" impact on the world. Ironic as Steve Jobs has always insisted he is less concerned with market share and more concerned with quality products.
Maybe it did work for Levi and Bristol after all....
http://www.examiner.com/x-30890-Sar...l-Palin-and-Levi-Johnston-are-getting-married
As they say elsewhere on the internet, "You're doing it wrong."
Get back to me when you are managing 500+ in addition to a number of mixed OS servers.
Get back to me when you're writing essays 10+ times that big full time.
This number game is irrelevant. Large scale and small business admin are just as difficult, they both have limitations that the other size does not have. (This 50+ network is a new job)
Because for some time, in the words of iJobs, Apple has been a "mobile device company".
"Apple Computer" is no more. Providing desktop hardware is nothing more than an inconvenience for Apple now. We've seen everything from Mac OS engineers being moved to iOS, to ****** upgrades for the MBP, almost a complete abandonment of the entry level Mac Pro, graphics cards that generally ship 1 version behind the current PC equivalents, machines that practically need replacing instead of upgrading and dozens of other niggling issues that are slowly killing their Mac business. Cutting back on Cinema Display options is another nail in the coffin for people who are impertinent enough to still buy things that aren't phones, tablets or music players. Apple couldn't simply shut down production overnight, so it's slowly making it less and less desirable to use a Mac, until no one gives a **** any more and stops buying them.
Apple had the best opportunity in its history to do serious damage to Microsoft's market share, when MS was struggling with the Vista fiasco and Mac OS X was simply stunning by comparison. Jobs didn't care, because it was never part of his plan.
Oh please. Don't play that game. We were talking about end user computers, not clusters. Don't expect me to guess at what you are talking about or at the very least mention that you are changing the object of discussion.
Anyhow, we run vSphere.
EDIT: I see you edited your post. Talk about a change.
The topic change was to exemplify how stupid this discussion is. Regardless, large scale and small business are both difficult to administer. I've worked both sizes, both have their own challenges and limitations.
We actually don't have a lot of end user terminals, but a large cluster. RHEV has a Desktop addon/version which lets us basically eliminate the need for our own computers as it has a web portal with USB redirection. We do have computers (some 20 of them that need to use CAD Software), but a lot of the workers prefer just to bring their own laptop.
The new infrastructure was set up assuming I would be moving and going to University, and indeed I did.
No, I don't agree. I am a graphics professional. Frankly I'm sick and tired of people who haven't used one of the dreaded glossy displays criticising them. A graphics professional should be working in a light controlled, ergonomically designed environment. It doesn't take much thought to completely eradicate any 'glare' and the company which sort my calibration have zero issue with the screen - what I see on screen is what comes back from the print bureau.
Also, the 27" display is cheaper than the dell model with similar specs. I also don't understand those on this site saying the the display comes with a "laptop input only" or similar concept - the device has a standard display port connector.
There's a reason Apple are now a successful business, they're producing items that consumers want. The average consumer doesn't want mass market and 'cheap', they want slick design, ease of use and a feeling of quality.
re. the 16:9 issue - the one recent device that wasn't 16:9 was the iPad - and the amount of criticism I read on these very forums from people 'disgusted' that apple hadn't used a widescreen standard was laughable.
If you don't like the product, don't buy it. If Apple don't sell enough, they'll discontinue the product.
I hate to say it guys, but Apple obviously understand their market better than you - which is why they're worth billions and most of you are working from your spare room on a two to three year old device, bitching when new equipment/software no longer works with your outdated machines. Crying out for development and new features, but criticising every one that is launched.
Apple beta Safari four with Tabs on top. The users of this forum destroy the idea, Apple listen to public feedback, remove the feature. All of a sudden "where are the tabs on top, they were amazing".
The Apple TV - Pointless, never sell. Apple call it a "hobby" but still sell over 6 million.
Apple release the 27" iMac - 'a monste'r, 'too big for consumers', 'will never sell'.
Apple release the iPad - it'll flop - no use - never sell a million, don't buy the first iteration, it'll be a disaster.
iPhone four - .55% of users complain about a problem, estimate 1-2% of people with the issue described, which is easily avoided anyway, suddenly it's "antenna gate".
Apple release the trackpad - it'll crash - no use - never sell a million.
Apple release a stunning 27" monitor, at a premium price but not too far out of the ballpark for similar spec/build quality - no market for it, it'll crash, never sell a million
See a pattern emerging? Anyone keeping things in perspective?
This will look great next to my 1st gen 27" iMac, along with the other nine in the studio, all delivered as part of the first batch of 27" models in late 2009, none with any issues. All with glossy screens, all of which are calibrated, none of which suffer from 'glare' any more than the matte machines that preceded them.
Quit the moaning, enjoy the fact that the entire desktop line just got a refresh and new peripherals and software updates are being launched. The Mac is not dead, it just needs to learn to exist alongside mobile devices. Fortunately Apple seem able to manage that and don't have to feed the current frenzy of "oh no, a trackpad has been introduced, this means the end of the desktop OS". What utter nonsense.
Sorry to rant, but it needed saying.
Nonsense.
The company changed it's name to reflect that it no longer just sells computers. The iTunes music store became the iTunes store, it still sells music, it's just that it now does MORE. Apple now do MORE than they did in the 90s. Would you rather they were a struggling company again with machines costing $7000 + ?
Apple computers are now more affordable, more accepted in business and are in more consumer homes than at any time in history. The OS is still far in advance of windows, including 7. Windows 7 is good because it emulates what has gone before and has the sort of features Mac users have been experiencing since the early days of OSX.
Apple now have a larger market share and higher public profile than at any time in their history - you think this happened because jobs doesn't care about the market share of his company? Get serious.
I've been using Macs professionally since 1987. The machines are now better built, better spec'd, more powerful with a better OS than any other machine out there, unless I build my own, which I have no intention of doing. They've also come down in price by thousands of pounds/dollars.
This site is actually indicative of the sort of user that alienated the Windows world from using Macs for so long, seeing us as geeks who look down on anything other than fellow Mac users. I'm glad the tide has turned, I'm glad apple are doing well and I'm proud when people come to the studio and see 10 27" iMacs laid out running perfectly, looking great and being more than powerful enough for the tasks thrown at them.
If you don't like Apple computers, don't use them. End of.
iJobs strikes again
i feel really let down by this news.
i don't want some consumer crap with speakers and a built in isight.
i want a freaking MATTE display, thats all. yes, i know, go buy some
other brand, well maybe i will. iJobs just proved AGAIN he doesn't
care about professionals.
i hope all the soccer moms will love the new displays, all that glass
will really compliment their minivans.
i feel really let down by this news.
i don't want some consumer crap with speakers and a built in isight.
i want a freaking MATTE display, thats all. yes, i know, go buy some
other brand, well maybe i will. iJobs just proved AGAIN he doesn't
care about professionals.
i hope all the soccer moms will love the new displays, all that glass
will really compliment their minivans.