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The whole environment angle was always a moot point considering they are including a cable that does not even work with the charger supposedly everyone already has at home and therefore they r producing even more waste by including said cable

So they may even not include a cable later lol xd
 
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A lot of electronics have a big sticker on the outside of the box saying "batteries not included" or printers with "USB cable not included"

And yet we don't have people with pitchforks and torches gathering outside their corporate headquarters. Where are all the complaints about "selling incomplete products" with them?

Like I said earlier... I'd be fine if phones were sold without chargers and cables in the box. Let me buy the ones I actually want (or I'll use the ones I already have)

God forbid you have to go to ANY store on Earth to buy a cable or charger... or AA batteries for your child's toy.

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I can’t remember ever buying a printer that didn’t include the power cable required to plug it into the wall.
 
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Anyone else questioning why the fine is so high and who it goes to? I’d bet my left pinkie finger that it’s not going to buy chargers for everyone who has bought a iPhone in the past few years with out a charger in Brazil
If nothing else, if it's not high enough, it's just easier for the perpetrators to keep on doing what they were, and just pay the fine.
 
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Can you charge a newer iPhone with a charger that uses the standard brick from an older iPad?
 
When I bought my iPhone 12, I had to buy a charger because I didn't have USB-C chargers at home. Nobody did at the time. They didn't even lower the price of the iPhone or offer a charger for free. I bought one separately from the Apple Store and it was delivered in this huge box (see image below), like 20X the size of the charger and 5X bigger than the iPhone.

Very hypocritical to say it's for "Environmental reasons". It was one of their finest profit strategies.
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A final decision of Brazilian justice was taken today, one day before Apple's event. Two questions: coincidence? who cares?

So Apple won't be allowed to sell iPhones without charger, among with some million dollars as penalty, as a response to accusations of bad market practices. Also we know for sure the environmental issue has influenced too, they known the ecological consequences and they care. Brazil is this ambiguous country.

I don't think is coincidence, because Brazilian has adopted this strategy of to deliver in the right time, and with success. This decision will send a message from a small part of Apple's market, but with some influence still. Yes, people do care a bit, and I hope the message to the rest of the world will be - we can have these gadgets and Apple can make money in a fair clean world. We don't need to be dirty!

Please, listen and share this message - we can take difficult decisions.
 
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It’s not about the charger though. It’s about the money in logistics they are saving. By doing this they practically cut shipments cost in half: Now that’s a big money saver
This is true but they could also just redesign the box and save very close to same.
 
I can’t remember ever buying a printer that didn’t include the power cable required to plug it into the wall.

I specifically said USB cable with regards to printers. :)

Granted... today... a lot of printers can connect wirelessly. So it's not that big of a deal... today.

But in the past I've seen printers that didn't come with USB cables even though they were required in order to use them.

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Printers are not phones. Without a proprietary power brick, one can't power a printer. Speaking where I frequent a charging brick and cable can be had in virtually most stores. And I realize we can go back and forth with the edge cases becoming the general cases.
Printers use standard power plug.
Anyway, it’s veering off topic, and a red herring from the original comment I replied to.
 
If Apple was serious about this,
"Apple has told Brazilian officials that not including a power adapter with the ‌iPhone‌ offers environmental benefits and cuts down on waste, but Brazil has thus far rejected this argument."

They would make the charger a free option.
 
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Apple will probably just add a charger (in its own box) and increase the iPhone price to compensate.
 
Everyone knows the voucher solution. So the fact that Apple isn’t offering that says it has nothing to do with the environment.

And if everyone has dozens of unused Apple chargers at home, then Apple could offer to take and refurb/donate them to new users who don’t have one.

None of this has to do with the environment, not when Apple charges $20 for a power adapter. Brazil’s decision makes sense. At some point, Apple will take out the power cord from every device and charge for it.
 
We consider our impact on the environment, which is why we create new products, using MORE plastics, MORE metals & MORE toxic batteries & materials. Yay, way to go! 🙄🤦‍♂️
 
Apple is so damn cheap. Their charger cable breaks all the time, why not give a new one when we pay 2k for their phone. It cost 1$ made in China.

Environment.. yeah.. make your cable more durable instead maybe, so we don't have to buy every 6 months.

Can't believe the new team at Apple under Cook.
 
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Yes it’s a money grab from Apple, but most users do not or should not need a new charger when they buy an iPhone.
 
Just give customer an vRemember, Apple wants to save money and this approach will have many people using in the voucher to sell the charger online. It seems to me Apple’s best option is to increase the price of the phone and offer a discount for no charge.

Remember, Apple wants to save money and this approach will have many people using in the voucher to sell the charger online. It seems to me Apple’s best option is to just increase the price of the phone and offer a discount for no charger.
 
Good to see the Brazilians had the Courage to do this!
Brazil should find some additional courage and stop the wood poachers from cutting down the rainforest; a natural carbon sink we cannot afford to lose.
 
Apple could fix this easily. Sell the phone with or without a charger for the same price, and allow customers to choose.
They could even sell the one without a charger for a discount. It all comes down to money. Enriching the lives of the shareholders.
 
I'm not even convinced it actually cut down waste. They switched the included cable to USB-C -> Lightning rather than USB-A, and many people don't have extra USB-C charging bricks lying around. That resulted in a lot of people now having to buy separate chargers with their iPhones, and those of course came in their own packaging and generated more waste (and emissions from transportation) than just packaging it with the phone would have.

I'm not even quite sure why they did it. The charger can't have been expensive to manufacture and there isn't exactly a huge opportunity cost to it either (not everyone is going to buy the official Apple branded charger). It just doesn't make much sense to me.
I’m not sure why this doesn’t make sense to people.

They changed the cable but gave you the most modern cable so you only were required to purchase one part. The new charging brick.

If you have a brick at home chances are you also have a usb A cable with it.
 
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^^^ This is the post of the entire thread

I'll take Apple seriously on environmental issues when they start designing with upgradeability and repairability in mind.
I’ll take Apple seriously on environmental issues when they’ve closed up shop and turned all their currently held properties to greenspace.
 
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