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With their track record on this keyboard mechanism, it's a huge gamble buying this model unless you wait 6 months to see how it works out for the early adopters.

It sounds like the exact same mechanism with a dust barrier around each key, and apple is just crossing their fingers it actually keeps the dust out. It's as susceptible as ever if any dust passes the barrier.

My theory is that the silicone bubble around each key not only protects from dust but provides a sort of natural lift for the key once you let it go... keeping dirt out and helping with the sticky issue.
 
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I take every thing Linus says with a big grain of salt. Remember his income is based on being controversial.
But looking at his video views on this video compared to others, this one is one of the higher but there are 2 other videos with the same amount of views that are a week old

Why break a $5,000 computer if it’s not going to be a crazy hit?

Now, that’s not to say I’m just taking every word Linus says as truth, but seeing this as a cash grab just doesn’t make sense
 
Too bad Apple's behaviour with repairs and parts is disgusting. Hard to give them any respect after watching THIS:


So, what did just happen besides a YouTube diva opened "his" computer and break it on purpose, break everything, and then blamed on Apple? Being sponsored by a company that wants to instill in your head that Apple repairs are BAD FOR YOU, has things like that...

That's a complete lie.

*Edit: I can't believe people are actually liking your comment.

Is this a lie too?

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Not so. The likes of Linus, Louis Rossmann and Snazzy Labs are revealing the incompetence of Apple after sales service such as no one qualified to carry out repairs on the iMac Pro.
Remember Linus, Louis Rossman and Snazzy Labs are no more than revealing the truth regarding modern Apple and their shoddy practices.
Even the products are a shadow of their former selves. For example with the MacBook Pro too much has been sacrificed for the sake of thinness. Place the modern Retina MacBook Pro design against that of the design introduced in 2012 and the older is vastly more versatile and flexible connectivity wise. Yes I am of course making reference to Apple's obsession with USB-C.

The only reason it's true, to you, is because his opinions are consistent with your opinions. Agreement does not equate to truth.

You have opinions and beliefs, not facts.

I have differing opinions. My opinions and your opinions can't both be facts (and maybe neither are facts). Facts require far more proof than anyone here, regardless of opinion, is able to provide.

Individual cases of incompetence or ignorance (like Shaggy's "The Apple Store Genius Bar Broke My $5000 iMac") cannot be used as proof of an entire organization's incompetence or ignorance. They are individual examples, no matter how loudly shouted. And in an organization that exists to service over one billion active devices, even if just one percent of those devices need service annually, that's ten million service cases. So even if you gathered up one thousand examples of incompetence, that's 0.01 percent of all service cases.

There would still be the question of whether that's a valid statistical sample. Otherwise, all you have is "1,000 dissatisfied customers agree that Apple sucks."

Apple claims (and other independent organizations report) approximately 95% customer satisfaction with Apple service, which is higher than any other large service organization. If that is at all accurate, then out of my hypothetical 10 million repair cases annually, there would be 500,000 unhappy customers, some of whom would undoubtedly complain on the interweb. Big numbers breed big numbers, but 9.5 million is still way bigger than 500,000. Of course, there's also the problem of humans having trouble comprehending large numbers. Let's bring it down to something anyone can understand. I have a $10 bill, you have five pennies. Let's go shopping!
 
Not so. The likes of Linus, Louis Rossmann and Snazzy Labs are revealing the incompetence of Apple after sales service such as no one qualified to carry out repairs on the iMac Pro.
Remember Linus, Louis Rossman and Snazzy Labs are no more than revealing the truth regarding modern Apple and their shoddy practices.

Dude he's not saying that everything they say is a complete lie. Just remember, everyone has some kind of agenda. Linus, Apple...even me :rolleyes:
 
Not so. The likes of Linus, Louis Rossmann and Snazzy Labs are revealing the incompetence of Apple after sales service such as no one qualified to carry out repairs on the iMac Pro.
Remember Linus, Louis Rossman and Snazzy Labs are no more than revealing the truth regarding modern Apple and their shoddy practices.
Even the products are a shadow of their former selves. For example with the MacBook Pro too much has been sacrificed for the sake of thinness. Place the modern Retina MacBook Pro design against that of the design introduced in 2012 and the older is vastly more versatile and flexible connectivity wise. Yes I am of course making reference to Apple's obsession with USB-C.

Linus, Louis and Snazzy also are sponsored by iFixit.
 
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Do you have any solid evidence to prove that?

That link you directed me to relates to Mobile Phone repairs.

We are talking Macs.

Try and stick to the subject.

RIGHT TO REPAIR!

Another YouTuber that's sponsored by iFixit o_Oo_Oo_Oo_Oo_O

Rossmann is full of BS, if you like him so much, why don't you go to his channel discussing him within the comments section?
 
Another YouTuber that's sponsored by iFixit o_Oo_Oo_Oo_Oo_O

Rossmann is full of BS, if you like him so much, why don't you go to his channel discussing him within the comments section?
But is he full of BS.

This is a man who services and repairs Macs for a living so he knows what he is talking about and the obstacles that Apple place in is way.

As I say once again PROOF he is sponsored by iFixit.
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ifixit are good sports - give them a break

I don't have more time to waste discussing those harlots.

The difference between

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Is just a sweet, sweet lie.
Can you prove they are from the same source. Is the quality the same. Ask I keep asking PROOF.
 
With their track record on this keyboard mechanism, it's a huge gamble buying this model unless you wait 6 months to see how it works out for the early adopters.

It sounds like the exact same mechanism with a dust barrier around each key, and apple is just crossing their fingers it actually keeps the dust out. It's as susceptible as ever if any dust passes the barrier.

Apple has a vested interest in reducing the number of repair cases. Since they'll be providing free repairs on all previous versions of this keyboard mechanism for the next four years, paying their lawyers to fight the law suits, etc., I'm confident they want this to stop at least as much as their customers do.

I'm sure they didn't just "cross their fingers" that the modification would help. I have no doubts that they tested prototypes and production line samples extensively.

By all means, wait six months. There's nothing wrong with a bit of caution. But you'll be waiting forever if all it takes is one or two reports of "bad keyboard" six months down the road. There is no such thing as zero defects when it comes to manufactured goods. All they can hope to achieve is to match or beat the typical defect rate for traditional-mechanism keyboards. If they hit that target, they'll consider the problem solved.
 
I doubt Apple is using 3rd Generation keyboards to replace the defective 2016/2017 models. There are still those out there with original keyboards (myself included) but I have had a few instances where the keys get stuck. I'm glad Apple is giving us a 4 year warranty but it does annoy me they continue to replace the defective part with the same one knowing the 3rd gen keyboard has rubber membrane to prevent the issue.
Until the class action lawsuits are finished they will keep doing it, unfortunately. Perhaps the lawsuits are actually contra productive here? :-/
 
The only pro option I need is removable storage. Can I remove the ssd/nvme and replace it? If not the hole machine need to be scraped with minor problems.

Why is that considered a pro option? I’m not a professional but I pretend to be one. I’d rather have super fast RAM and SDD soldered to the logic board than maybe slower one. I know it’s not upgradable but I’d trade that for the performance.
 
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OMG what a disgusting practice charging a premium for hardware that could be purchased cheaper from China! Oh wait ...

Oh wait what?
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But is he full of BS.

This is a man who services and repairs Macs for a living so he knows what he is talking about and the obstacles that Apple place in is way.

As I say once again PROOF he is sponsored by iFixit.
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Can you prove they are from the same source. Is the quality the same. Ask I keep asking PROOF.

So I need to prove anything while you keep saying what you said and don't prove anything?
 
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Oh wait what?
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So I need to prove anything while you keep saying what you said and don't prove anything?
Any proof those parts are from the same supplier? Build house? Etc? If not, then you should just stop while you are behind. No point in defending something you have absolutely ZERO proof on.
 
Any proof those parts are from the same supplier? Build house? Etc? If not, then you should just stop while you are behind. No point in defending something you have absolutely ZERO proof on.

Not saying that.

Also, who said to you that the cheaper Chinese part is worse than the Chinese rebranded part that iFixit sells?

Do you think that iFixit makes their own batteries? It's all made in China!
 
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Oh wait what?
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So I need to prove anything while you keep saying what you said and don't prove anything?
You were the one who made the allegation relating to iFixit. All I am asking for is proof.

If you cannot provide proof you should not make such allegations.

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Not saying that.

Also, who said to you that the cheaper Chinese part is worse than the Chinese rebranded part that iFixit sells?

Do you think that iFixit makes their own batteries? It's all made in China!
Guess where Macs are produced. Yeah you got it China!
 
Does anyone know if this version of Macbook Pro allows us to upgrade the RAM, or the SSD in the future? Or is it like previous version, soldered on to the board?
 
Does anyone know if this version of Macbook Pro allows us to upgrade the RAM, or the SSD in the future? Or is it like previous version, soldered on to the board?

Lol.. we'll let TimmeyCook reply that.

On a side note, if he/she changes nick to SteveyJobs, we'll stop buying from ifixit.
 
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