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Apple Outs "iPhone 4S" Name in Latest iTunes Beta

drwatz0n said:
If Apple only releases an iPhone 4S (or whatever they call it, I'm using the '4S' moniker for a design that is similar to what the iPhone 4 is), which I'm fairly certain is the case, people will be in an uproar. My question to those who are going to be disappointed is this: would you feel that way if Apple released the device back in June?

As many people said, including myself, in January/early February of this year, Apple wouldn't release a new device just four months after millions were sold with the availability of the iPhone on Verizon. People ask "What could have Apple been doing/what problems did they encounter that it took them 16 months to release a 'new' phone with the same design?"

Fact is, this has always been the plan. Apple couldn't come out with a new, albeit similar, iPhone just four months after they sold 4.5 million on Verizon. Imagine the PR storm that would have been. Sure, people could have read the timeline of iPhone releases in the past, but I'm positive a large number of those who bought the phone on Verizon didn't care about that: to them, this iPhone was new on Verizon, thus a 'new' phone.

I'm inclined to believe that this upgrade to the iPhone (the 4S if you will) has been thought out and done for a while now. After all, it's not that hard to place a faster CPU, GPU, RAM and a higher mega-pixel camera onto some silicon and call it a day.

People who argue the case for a redesigned iPhone 5 (I'm going to completely ignore the entire fact that we have seen no physical evidence of it: no rear casing, no volume rockers, no screen, etc.) seem to forget this as well: Apple spent how much money and how much time developing the structure that is the iPhone 4. They also praised its antenna system. To change the design, in some ways, would lend credence to the fact that, in at least some form, Apple's engineers failed to understand the science behind the antenna system and in turn replaced it a year and a half later. Apple rarely admits failure. They did it with MobileMe, and they did it, partially, with the modified antenna on Verizon. While there are still some issues with signal degradation, the modified system on the CDMA iPhone is good enough for at least one more generation.

In short, there is no credible evidence that leads to an iPhone 5 being shown off. We have no pieces of the puzzle, other than case designs (that have been wrong before, and will continue to be wrong, as a lot of their designs stem from mock-ups and rumors) and some inventory screens. Do you really thing Radio Shack and Best Buy have information that others don't? Apple keeps everyone in the dark, except Apple. I'm positive only a handful of people outside of the company have placed their hands on the next-generation iPhone, in any form, let alone those who send out the notice to update inventory systems.

As much as the iPhone 4S may be considered a let down, the evidence for it is overwhelming.
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Totally agree! This release has been planned like this for at least a year now.
 
I think this is game over for :apple:. Clearly if the best they can come up with after 17 months is a pathetic speed bump for an already ageing iPhone 4 the company is in big trouble. I knew this would happen when Steve left.
 
drwatz0n said:
If Apple only releases an iPhone 4S (or whatever they call it, I'm using the '4S' moniker for a design that is similar to what the iPhone 4 is), which I'm fairly certain is the case, people will be in an uproar. My question to those who are going to be disappointed is this: would you feel that way if Apple released the device back in June?

As many people said, including myself, in January/early February of this year, Apple wouldn't release a new device just four months after millions were sold with the availability of the iPhone on Verizon. People ask "What could have Apple been doing/what problems did they encounter that it took them 16 months to release a 'new' phone with the same design?"

Fact is, this has always been the plan. Apple couldn't come out with a new, albeit similar, iPhone just four months after they sold 4.5 million on Verizon. Imagine the PR storm that would have been. Sure, people could have read the timeline of iPhone releases in the past, but I'm positive a large number of those who bought the phone on Verizon didn't care about that: to them, this iPhone was new on Verizon, thus a 'new' phone.

I'm inclined to believe that this upgrade to the iPhone (the 4S if you will) has been thought out and done for a while now. After all, it's not that hard to place a faster CPU, GPU, RAM and a higher mega-pixel camera onto some silicon and call it a day.

People who argue the case for a redesigned iPhone 5 (I'm going to completely ignore the entire fact that we have seen no physical evidence of it: no rear casing, no volume rockers, no screen, etc.) seem to forget this as well: Apple spent how much money and how much time developing the structure that is the iPhone 4. They also praised its antenna system. To change the design, in some ways, would lend credence to the fact that, in at least some form, Apple's engineers failed to understand the science behind the antenna system and in turn replaced it a year and a half later. Apple rarely admits failure. They did it with MobileMe, and they did it, partially, with the modified antenna on Verizon. While there are still some issues with signal degradation, the modified system on the CDMA iPhone is good enough for at least one more generation.

In short, there is no credible evidence that leads to an iPhone 5 being shown off. We have no pieces of the puzzle, other than case designs (that have been wrong before, and will continue to be wrong, as a lot of their designs stem from mock-ups and rumors) and some inventory screens. Do you really thing Radio Shack and Best Buy have information that others don't? Apple keeps everyone in the dark, except Apple. I'm positive only a handful of people outside of the company have placed their hands on the next-generation iPhone, in any form, let alone those who send out the notice to update inventory systems.

As much as the iPhone 4S may be considered a let down, the evidence for it is overwhelming.
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So to make a long story short, you think there is going to be an iPhone 4S?
 
ABernardoJr said:
In what sense? The rumors are that the internals are going to be updated, so how would the phone be out-dated by an internal update? Do you mean the look will be out-dated? Because it's still the best looking phone out there.
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im talking about them releasing an iPhone 4s instead of the iPhone 5. unless the iPhone 4s = iPhone 5, then, like i said it will be outdated. the iphone 4s isn't getting many internal upgrades. its gonna have the same screen size, and its gonna look the same. there are already phones out now that beat the iphone 4s. now, if the phone we get has all the features that are rumored to be in the iphone 5 (no matter what its called), then i stand corrected. but if the TRUE iphone 4s is released, then it WILL be outdated
 
Just gonna throw this out there....

...what if the image is simply a placeholder?
 
And so the Android domination will continue, the Sensation and Galaxy SII will rule the phone world for a while longer. At least until HTC and Samsung bring their new phones out. Woo
 
Hopefully there's a silly surprise waiting at the event otherwise it's between this fragile chick phone and a Nexus prime. I would preorder a redesign if it suited me (I can't have the glass back for several reasons), but I can't make a choice on a 4s without fully looking at other phones. As of right now Nexus Prime is first for me then 4s second. I'm still thinking that the 5 is coming on the 4th, but if not I won't be too pissed. I like branching out and there's a lot of really sweet phones coming.
 
pjhamill said:
I agree, however I think it's unlikely we'll see a "5"
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Based on what? Seriously I wonder if the apple execs sit around and laugh at the ppl who are so sure of what they're going to do and offer them business advice on how to be a successful company
 
zigzagable said:
im talking about them releasing an iPhone 4s instead of the iPhone 5. unless the iPhone 4s = iPhone 5, then, like i said it will be outdated. the iphone 4s isn't getting many internal upgrades. its gonna have the same screen size, and its gonna look the same. there are already phones out now that beat the iphone 4s. now, if the phone we get has all the features that are rumored to be in the iphone 5 (no matter what its called), then i stand corrected. but if the TRUE iphone 4s is released, then it WILL be outdated
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How is the A5 processor,HSPA+, 8MP camera, outdated? The A5 beats most processors on the market right now, regardless of Ghz.
 
aurichie said:
I think this is game over for :apple:. Clearly if the best they can come up with after 17 months is a pathetic speed bump for an already ageing iPhone 4 the company is in big trouble. I knew this would happen when Steve left.
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This has has got nothing to do with the departure of Steve. The same would have happened if he was still there. If you think this is the end for Apple, you're deluded.
 
Wasn't the 4S really just iPhone 5 internals inside an iPhone 4 case so that carriers and whoever needs to could test the new iPhone or iOS 5 or something? Maybe Apple's just being VERY strict about the name of the next iPhone and referring to the next iPhone only as 4S until it's released so nothing will be leaked? And to the person who said there would be a PR storm with Apple coming out with another iPhone, look at Motorola and Samsung and HTC coming out with 363674 different Android phones ever year, so if Apple comes out with 2 in a year, is that really that bad? I mean the Droid Bionic just came out from Motorola and supposedly they're coming out with a couple more powerhouses in the upcoming months...
 
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There will be an iPhone 4S this year, I have always believed this. But the one reason that makes me truly believe it is the A6 system on a chip. Why? Because a system on a chip with next gen graphics that aren't in any other device today, quad core, 3D transistor technology, that will I think be worthy of a complete redesign, a 4" screen design very high spec design and a very powerful device. LTE, NFC, 64GB storage, high spec camera.

But we shall find out on tuesday.
 
voonyx said:
Has apple been hemmorrhaging marketshare or something? They've remained relatively steady for a year and a half... what makes you think introducing a new product is suddenly going to make them lose share?
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That is the past growth.

Now let's talk about the future. If i4s is a minor bump, they will lose share to s2 and s3. Back then, there was no android phone that was comparable to the iphone. In the past competition was not as fierce as it is now.
 
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It's an iPhone event, what would be the one more thing if it wasn't the iPhone 5. Can't be the 4s as that's a given being an iPhone event!
 
Minisider said:
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It's an iPhone event, what would be the one more thing if it wasn't the iPhone 5. Can't be the 4s as that's a given being an iPhone event!
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If there is one (they done events without them before), it could be some feature on the phone. Siri? NFC? Feline Mind-Control?
 
iPhone 4S, cheap, basically the same as the iPhone 4, same screen, same everything but the speedbump, maybe not dualcore but a 3-400mhz faster cpu clock.

iPhone 5, bigger screen, redesign or something similar to the iphone 4 but thinner and a little bit bigger to accomodate the 4"+ screensize. Double the ram, dual core cpu @ 1.2-1.4 ghz.

Well, yeah......the iphone 3g to 3gs took almost a year to get to the marked and that was a speedbump, but at that time it worked because the competition didnt match it anyway, today the competition is alot harder so i really think Apple have done some really nice stuff with the iPhone 5.
 
aurichie said:
I think this is game over for :apple:. Clearly if the best they can come up with after 17 months is a pathetic speed bump for an already ageing iPhone 4 the company is in big trouble. I knew this would happen when Steve left.
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Mr. Apple-is-dead Troll,

Please jump to Windows/Linux and Android/WP7/[insert other dead mobile OS] and quit your bitching.
 
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Interesting theory although I thought one more thing was always used for hardware. Also the siri thing is very very cool but not a show stopper.
 
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For real, you are dumb if you don't think there will be an iPhone 5 unveiled on Tuesday.
 
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