Apple Outs "iPhone 4S" Name in Latest iTunes Beta

[Teste]

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Then explain why the keynote invite says "Let's talk iPhone"?

Could be because the main gimmick to be announced will be the voice recognisition software, hence the meaning of "Let's talk, iPhone".

That would make a lot of sense - iOS 5 could be available to everyone, but the voice recognisition & assistant features would be limited to the iPhone 4S, prompting people to buy it despite how it's just a slightly faster iPhone 4.

What puzzles me is the name iPhone 4S, instead of iPhone 5. Apple could have just released the iPhone 4S and callled it the iPhone 5; it would have been a better move, marketing-wise.

 

[marksman]

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If they only release a 4S that would be a HUGE mistake for Apple.
People aren't stupid enough to buy a minor upgrade (if the rumors are true) and settle with an iPhone 4S after waiting 15 months.

Hopefully an iPhone 5 will be released with this...if not Apple won't be getting any of my money.

Huge mistake like 3GS? Apple wants to lower production costs and cut prices in order to reach more customers which leads to higher profits. Re-design to please couple of fanboys is not it. Apple needs strong performance in growing markets and you can't do that without aggressive price point.

Everyone talks about pleasing fan boys with a redesign, it's so hilarious. You know nothing about marketing. The average customer (not apple 'fan-boy') wants to see that newly designed phone with it's new features when they are comparing phones to purchase. They will buy the new one because that's what people do, the thing that looks/feels new is the cool thing to have, it's really as simple as this. If you guys can't comprehend this there is no hope for you, no offense.

You are 100% wrong.

 

[MarkNY]

Didn't imply there wouldn't be new features on Tuesday whether it be a 4S or a 5. iOS 5 brings a ******** of new features, which folks continually disregard here. And an A5, with or without a 4" screen, is nothing to sneeze at.

I don't know what Apple will do, but if they think a new form would sell substantially more units, that's what will we get.

 

[SmoMo]

No, in civilized society, people say "working class people" or "lower income individuals". Not "the lower classes" as if he was speaking from some patronizing hierarchy.

Ah this is where we differ then, it sounds like we are probably in agreement pretty much, except that I don't associate any meaning to 'the lower classes' other than a simple description of those classes below some other class, so for me there is no negative slur attached to that phrase, when I hear it.

And in the original context of iPhone 4 customers, I just understood the poster to be talking about people who have more important things to spend money on than a fancy phone, such as rent/food/medicine/petrol/education etc..

But I do think there is something respectful about talking about 'the lower classes' in that way, rather than trying to beat around the bush and use some euphemism, or complicate matters by introducing fuzzy classes such as 'lower middle class' and 'upper working class' etc..
Fact is, as you say yourself, economic class differences are real. They are also very powerful structures. The more we mention the 'lower classes' in plain and simple language, the more likely it is we will care enough to change it.

Isn't the outrage you were feeling really just disgust that such class systems still exist in your country in this modern age?

 

[rocknblogger]

It's Fast Paced Mobile Market

When the 3GS was released it was a completely different mobile market. Today the market is much faster and consumers expect better faster sleeker with every new release. Regardless of whether it's Android or Apple. Android has taken a decent bight out of Apple over the last 16 months. In that time there have been numerous handsets released with some powerful specs. Dual core, 8Mpx cameras, more memory and so on. From a business standpoint, not releasing a new iPhone 5 would be akin to marketing suicide. It would give Android a clear point of marketing attack to say "Look at how much better our phones are". HTC would probably be the most vocal and the biggest winner if there is no iPhone 5.

Apple is not a company to make bad business decisions. Not when the race is this close. I believe there will be an iPhone 5 because there has to be an iPhone 5. Otherwise Apple stands to lose (And will) more ground to Android.

 

[topmounter]

this = boring * ∞

 

[organerito]

This is so disappointing...

If the iPhone 4S is the only new iPhone, then i guess October 4th will be a very sad day.
I guess you can thank the millions of people who blindly buy the iPhone regardless of it's issues. But you can thank Apple for creating such a following.. they don't need to innovate, they don't need to compete, they can produce a crappy flip-phone, as long as it has the Apple logo it'll sell like crazy.

If we're only getting an iPhone 4S after over a year, then this is pathetic.

If there is only an iPhone 4S. My decision is going to be very easy. I'll get phone with Android. My wife has one and she loves it. She is going to give her iPhone away.

 

[Juan007]

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First of all, no matter what phone Apple releases on Tuesday it WILL be a major upgrade. Apple doesn't do minor spec bumps, it's not the way they operate.

We know for a FACT that we will get the most revolutionary UI upgrade in the history of computing. Is that just a spec bump? Don't think so.

Don't fall for Fandroid poison, just wait a few days and see with your own eyes.

 

[pjhamill]

If there is only an iPhone 4S. My decision is going to be very easy. I'll get phone with Android. My wife has one and she loves it. She is going to give her iPhone away.

You'll be making a big mistake, at least choose WP7, the only decent alternative to the iPhone.

 

[drew0020]

Not to make excuses for Apple because I am tired of the iPhone 4 design but I think they are in a tough spot. iOS5 wasn't ready in June so try had to delay the new iPhone. They are also working on adding LTE (which as we know is a larger chip as of now). I don't think they'd release the iPhone 5 and then 6 months to a year from now have to release the LTE iPhone which might be thicker...

It just doesn't make sense for them to design a the "iPhone 5" unless that design would work with LTE. Thoughts?

 

[myrtlebee]

Ah this is where we differ then, it sounds like we are probably in agreement pretty much, except that I don't associate any meaning to 'the lower classes' other than a simple description of those classes below some other class, so for me there is no negative slur attached to that phrase, when I hear it.

And in the original context of iPhone 4 customers, I just understood the poster to be talking about people who have more important things to spend money on than a fancy phone, such as rent/food/medicine/petrol/education etc..

But I do think there is something respectful about talking about 'the lower classes' in that way, rather than trying to beat around the bush and use some euphemism, or complicate matters by introducing fuzzy classes such as 'lower middle class' and 'upper working class' etc..
Fact is, as you say yourself, economic class differences are real. They are also very powerful structures. The more we mention the 'lower classes' in plain and simple language, the more likely it is we will care enough to change it.

Isn't the outrage you were feeling really just disgust that such class systems still exist in your country in this modern age?

There was no outrage. And it's not just "my country". I still simply think the way he said it was condescending. That was my opinion; you don't see it that way. Great. End of story. Let's talk iPhone.

 

[tigres]

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First of all, no matter what phone Apple releases on Tuesday it WILL be a major upgrade. Apple doesn't do minor spec bumps, it's not the way they operate.

We know for a FACT that we will get the most revolutionary UI upgrade in the history of computing. Is that just a spec bump? Don't think so.

Don't fall for Fandroid poison, just wait a few days and see with your own eyes.

Where have you been? Apples MO is to do minor spec bumps to make you upgrade. I'll be surprised, and pleased to see a redesign; that's the only thing to make me buy.

 

[Pro31]

stop commenting, I need to get some work done!

 

[masciam]

The ip4 and even 3GS still sell a lot because people want iOS and this is the only way to go. But using this as a justification to keep using ip4 design doesn't make sense to me.. if ip4 still sells a lot, a redesigned ip5 would probably sell even more.

To be honest when I say "redesign" what I really mean is bigger screen. If they change the looks and still keep a 3.5" display I'll just skip this iteration.

 

[drew0020]

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We know for a FACT that we will get the most revolutionary UI upgrade in the history of computing. Is that just a spec bump? Don't think so.

Don't fall for Fandroid poison, just wait a few days and see with your own eyes.

You're being sarcastic, right? I've been using iOS5 and it's evolutionary not revolutionary.

 

[DeathChill]

Another interesting point is that Apple tends to use blogs to shape disappointment. They did it with AllThingsD and The Loop to inform us there would be no new iPhone hardware at WWDC (allowing expectations to lower, prevent uproar) and the supposed September 7th event.

It is curious that they wouldn't use the same methods to quell any iPhone 5 redesign hopes as it would allow the biggest complainers to get their bitching done before it's even announced. If Apple only announces the 4S come Tuesday, there will be a large amount of complaining from many sources I'd imagine and that could overshadow any improvements that the 4S does bring.

However, John Gruber has recently posted an article pretty much saying the only thing coming is a 4S and pretty much preemptively defending it. The only problem here is that Gruber prefaces the post saying that he honestly doesn't know anything about the next iPhone(s). If Apple wanted to lower expectations it would probably be with a much more authoritative position (e.g. AllThingsD has learned Apple will only be announcing an upgraded iPhone 4, dubbed the 4S).

 

[TigerWoodsIV]

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You are 100% wrong.

I agree.

I feel like people are like me, they'll get something because it's better. If the new one looks identical to the old one, people aren't going to drop $399 for early cancellation on their iPhone 4. You'll continue to get your new customers, people who upgrade simply to have the newest even if it's barely better, etc. but it won't be the same as an entirely new phone. And even the new customers won't be as good because of the plethora of decent Android phones that weren't around the last time Apple barely had an upgrade (3G-3GS).

Simply making the design slightly different and adding a 4" screen would be good enough to be considered a redesign. It doesn't even need to be something radical like the 3GS-4. In 16 months, I feel like they could do simply that at least.

 

[marksman]

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Everyone talks about pleasing fan boys with a redesign, it's so hilarious. You know nothing about marketing. The average customer (not apple 'fan-boy') wants to see that newly designed phone with it's new features when they are comparing phones to purchase. They will buy the new one because that's what people do, the thing that looks/feels new is the cool thing to have, it's really as simple as this. If you guys can't comprehend this there is no hope for you, no offense.

Yep, the anti-i5 crowd has it wrong. The 3gs was a different ballgame, the market HAS changed.

When people see a Samsung Galaxy SII, side by side with iphone4s, which phone would they pick? With competition like s2, it is imperative for them to keep up with the times. These are not times when they can just casually release a minor upgrade iphone, and people will jump on it. Back then there was nothing like 3GS! That's why it sold!

The 3GS is still the number 2 selling smartphone so clearly you are not in tune with what people are considering when buying smartphones.

 

[Gillespie81]

All of these pages just for another iphone tease. Tues is right around the corner. Everybody has waited this long with all the rumors why not just say " ill wait and see what apple says tues, and if its not the phone every1 has rumored about then ill get on here and bitch and complain about it"

Im just waiting for iphone 6, i heard it gets implanted in your head and your eyes are the screen and its in 3d and surround sound

 

[Reach9]

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You are 100% wrong.

No, he actually has a good point.

The hype for this product is crazy, and if Apple lifts a red drape and out pops up an iPhone 4 everyone will go "what?"

 

[TheMarc]

Ok, sorry but I still don't quite get it:
so we now know there will be an iphone 4s,
but how do we know there will not be an iphone 5?

 

[Castiel]

Come Tuesday 10:30AM PST, I'm going to laugh my ass off....

I don't know what is coming out, nor do I care, I will buy it.

I'm in no terrible rush, I traded my Droid Incredible for an IPhone 4 last week.

But.... I still want the newest & Greatest and I still have an Upgrade on my VZW Account. I'll buy it when it comes out, whatever it is.

What I find Hilarious is the speculating, assertions and plain silliness in this group about a product that NOBODY here knows anything about. Folks here act like they know everything Apple or any other company is doing and how they think, but in all reality they have never been involved in Product creation, design and manufacture. FWIW, I have, I worked for Motorola for over 4 years, I know, I handled prototyped that NEVER saw the light of day and those that did didn't look ANYTHING like the prototype that was originally created!! I still have Pictures I did over ten years ago on the Iridium Satellite Phone prototype and the final wasn't even close.

If there is a redesign, I'll buy it, if there is NO redesign, I'll buy it too, who cares??? It's not the end of the world. It will still be a great product.

Trust me, Ergonomics won't make it or break it!! I know, After 26+ Years of Professional Photography, I have seen superb ergonomics on gear that DOESN'T WORK!!! I would much rather have something that actually works.


Just wait. FWIW, the more of you that get pissed and won't buy the next Gen IPhone, the better chances for me to get one the first day it comes out, so please, get pissed!!

But you basically contradicted your entire post by saying no matter what you'll buy the phone. Most people care about what they're putting money down for. It would be fair, after 14 months, to let people anticipate a new phone, not just an internal bump.

 

[Eager Beaver]

You guys think all this crazy chit with the cops in SanFran, and all the other secrecy after the 4 debalicle, and then the invites labled "Let's Talk Iphone", and the 16 months wait, you guys think that after all that, they would simply have a nipple slip, and show the world 3 days early the prize? Get real folks, there will be an iphone 5, and it will kick ass. Will it have a bigger screen, (if it don't, I'll be buying a sgs2).

So c'mon, for the sake of just knowing that the apple people are all reading this chit, and surely rotflamo.

Anyone who doesn't think there will be a 5 is out of their minds.

 

[myrtlebee]

Everybody has waited this long with all the rumors why not just say " ill wait and see what apple says tues, and if its not the phone every1 has rumored about then ill get on here and bitch and complain about it"

That's not going to happen here, dude. This is MacRumors.

 

[marksman]

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The simplest explanation is usually the truth.

Even if you are right, and there is some correlation in the universe between the simplicity of an explanation and the probability of that explanation being true, such knowledge cannot be applied usefully until you can gauge the simplicity-quotiant of an explanation.

Simplicity depends entirely on the levels of nested context, but in practise we normally use a rule of thumb, which is something along the lines of 'complexity is proportional the number of loose ends left unexplained'.

So your suggestion that Tuesday will reveal only a 4S ( and not a 5 ), is only 'simple' if it has fewer unexplained loose ends than the suggestion that there will be a 5 as well.

One of those lose ends is based on the belief that Apple will disappoint so many people by only releasing a 4s that there will be considerable negative effect to the company.

I know that it may seem odd to put such weight onto human intuition, but personally I don't see that we have any choice. Intuition is real and cannot just be ignored because it is not as objective as other things.

So, to summarise, I think the simplest explanation is that there will be an iPhone 5 on Tuesday, because otherwise I cannot explain why Apple would, in my opinion, disappoint customers and create negative publicity for themselves.

If you are disappointed that is on you.