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Apple Outs "iPhone 4S" Name in Latest iTunes Beta
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Your assessment as to what motivates the largest group of smartphone buyers is off.
I do appreciate mangling my hobby horse line though gave me a laugh.
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Your assessment as to what motivates the largest group of smartphone buyers is off.
I do appreciate mangling my hobby horse line though gave me a laugh.
but you fail to look at the design between iphone, 3G, 3Gs... technology didn't dictate a new hardware design just an upgrade up until iphone 4. So again, the only technology dictates is a few chip upgrades.
This in fact only reenforces my opinion that there will be two models announced Tuesday.
If they release a new phone it WILL be called the iPhone 5.
It would make no sense to go:
iPhone 4
iPhone 4S
iPhone 6
If they do only come out with a 4S this year they won't call next year's model the iPhone 5 it will be the iPhone 6 and that wont make much sense. The iPhone 4 is named after the phone's generation not its level of upgrade over the previous year... So calling next year's phone the 5 when it is in fact the 6th generation makes no sense and calling it the iPhone 6 wouldn't seem right as it would seem they skipped the iPhone 5.
When the iPhone 4 was released they entered a GENERATIONAL numbering scheme that also coincides with the iOS version. They aren't going to call it the iPhone 4S running iOS 5... They LOVE that the model number and the OS number match up... They harped on that SO much last year when the 4 was released.
I can't imagine they are going to release an iPhone 4S ONLY... So if there is an iPhone 4S there WILL be a 5 too. Its the only thing that makes sense.
EDIT: The whole package... Apple is going to seize the opportunity to have the iPhone 5 with the A5 processor running iOS 5... Why would they want to ruin that AND give people the impression that it is only a minor upgrade. Calling it the iPhone 4S will make people think it isn't a big enough jump to justify a new umber and also might not be major enough to justify a purchase.
They only called the 3GS that because going from the iPhone 3G to the iPhone 3 wouldn't sound right and might be confusing.
If they release a new phone it WILL be called the iPhone 5.
It would make no sense to go:
iPhone 4
iPhone 4S
iPhone 6
If they do only come out with a 4S this year they won't call next year's model the iPhone 5 it will be the iPhone 6 and that wont make much sense. The iPhone 4 is named after the phone's generation not its level of upgrade over the previous year... So calling next year's phone the 5 when it is in fact the 6th generation makes no sense and calling it the iPhone 6 wouldn't seem right as it would seem they skipped the iPhone 5.
When the iPhone 4 was released they entered a GENERATIONAL numbering scheme that also coincides with the iOS version. They aren't going to call it the iPhone 4S running iOS 5... They LOVE that the model number and the OS number match up... They harped on that SO much last year when the 4 was released.
I can't imagine they are going to release an iPhone 4S ONLY... So if there is an iPhone 4S there WILL be a 5 too. Its the only thing that makes sense.
EDIT: The whole package... Apple is going to seize the opportunity to have the iPhone 5 with the A5 processor running iOS 5... Why would they want to ruin that AND give people the impression that it is only a minor upgrade. Calling it the iPhone 4S will make people think it isn't a big enough jump to justify a new umber and also might not be major enough to justify a purchase.
They only called the 3GS that because going from the iPhone 3G to the iPhone 3 wouldn't sound right and might be confusing.
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The concern for myself and many others is trying to squeeze 12MP (I'm not talking about the Prime here, which sounds promising) onto a microscopic sensor. And as to the lens, that's great, but the Panasonic DMC-ZS10 (which also has a nice Carl-Zeiss lens) takes much worse pictures than its' predecessor, the DMC-ZS7, which has an almost identical lens but a sensor with fewer MP. It seems that in some cases, with the same size sensor, fewer MP are sometimes better, which is why I find the Prime's camera intriguing, in an Android ecosystem where the prevailing opinion seems to be that higher numbers are always better.
iPhone 6 next year makes sense.
Keep in mind Apple did not release an "iPhone 2" or "iPhone 3", but they did release an "iPhone 4", because it was the forth. Why couldn't the sixth be called "iPhone 6"?
Oh please
If I could get a better camera in an iPhone I'll be happy
Please don't make me defend Nokia anymore, it was just an observation
Fine.
iOS 5
64 GB
8MP camera
All in a still-very attractive body
Sounds good to me!
Of course a larger screen IN THE SAME SIZE PHONE wouldn't hurt either,but no biggie.
Hey I've had the same car for 4 years
the same fridge for 3 years
the same lawn mower for 5 years
the same monitor for 6 years
the same wallet for 20 years(really!)
the same TV for 4 years
the same watch for 6 years
Why the HELL do I need my cell phone to look totally different every freaking 12 months?Are they now fashion statements?How freaking shallow can people get,tantrums over the design of a PHONE.Unbelievable.
iOS 5
64 GB
8MP camera
All in a still-very attractive body
Sounds good to me!
Of course a larger screen IN THE SAME SIZE PHONE wouldn't hurt either,but no biggie.
Hey I've had the same car for 4 years
the same fridge for 3 years
the same lawn mower for 5 years
the same monitor for 6 years
the same wallet for 20 years(really!)
the same TV for 4 years
the same watch for 6 years
Why the HELL do I need my cell phone to look totally different every freaking 12 months?Are they now fashion statements?How freaking shallow can people get,tantrums over the design of a PHONE.Unbelievable.
The same iPhone that Consumer Reports wouldn't recommend? The same iPhone that has documented signal attenuation issues because of design? The same iPhone that's made of fragile, shattering glass?
Yeah, definitely not broken.
The same iPhone that's the best seller in the history of smartphones?
yeah for some people. with money.
LOL.
even though I don't have money but crave EVERY new products from apple.. I do everything to make my purchase..
You don't need it to look "different" as much as...almost all of us protesting against the "look" are most unhappy about two things: First, the antenna (which I can live with) and second, the screen size (Which is small).
The reality for us is we think we can take a larger screen in a neat little package, that the days of 3.5" screens are done.
And we'd also like an AMOLED screen at similar DPI but that's not happening YET.
But they'll be on Samsung devices next year.
You can tout how great the iphone form factor is, and its pretty, and how AMOLED has disadvantages, but this is what the whiners on this board want.
My demands on a device are simple: Give me an experience similar in hardware to the Galaxy S II or better, with the experience of Apple. If Samsung can do it on the hardware, why can't Apple, anyway? A much bigger screen without much physical area is not within the realm of impossibility anymore, nor is it cost prohibitive.
That's what the protests are about. An 8 MP camera and an A5 are about $20 worth of upgrades over the current prices of a 5 MP and A4 in component costs, and I believe both are cheaper than the A4 and 5 MP when they were first released. But by no means are these top of the line anymore. So you have a small screen (LCD at that), an excellent but common processor, an excellent but oncomingly common camera, a mediocre battery and you have to ask: Is the current OS/Form factor enough? As someone who has used WebOS and Android, methinks not.
But if you correct the screen size, give it 4G, and include the bumps, then yes, maybe we can talk about iOS being a good value.
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No you didn't. While the pictures may be great, it's unlikely because of Zeiss lenses. That's just a marketing ploy: a partnership that helps Nokia (like they did with Sony cams).
Little lenses are easy to manufacture. You don't need to be Carl Zeiss to build a top lens 5mm across. What's hard is to build a 35mm full frame wide angle (for example) which has to contend with colour dispersion and lense consistency across a massive arc. Good lens manufacturers of course can do it.
Strausd had it right. It's about the sensor, not optics, in a camera this size. As we all know, more MP just means more noise because the same amount of light is distributed across the same area. More pixels in the same area means less photons per pixel, which means worse signal to noise ratio, hence more noise.
Go ahead and get your Zeiss Nokia. And don't forget your Zeiss Sony. I'm curious as to Zeiss' end game with all this co-branding. Short term profits vs long term brand value. On the other hand, maybe they think the end is nigh for larger formats (well 35mm) anyway, so might as well get on the bandwagon...
Hey, Canon make good lenses, why aren't there any Canon lenses in phones? I got a great Sigma 50mm, why no Sigma lenses in phones? If the genius of Zeiss optical engineering was really being brought to bear on these little lenses with positive results, then all premier phones would have major lens co-branding.
hook-line-sinker, my friend.
They called it the 3G to indicate to people that it had 3G technology right in the name. Like how the Evo was called the EVO 4G.
Then calling the third model the 3 following the 3G sounds confusing to the average user who wouldn't necessarily know which one is the newer phone. 3GS hammers that home.
They aren't going to miss the chance to have the A5 and iOS 5 running the iPhone 5... That would be RIDICULOUS. Not to mention that it sends the impression that it is a minor upgrade that doesn't deserve a purchase. Whether its true or not they want EVERYONE to think its as big an upgrade as possible to get people to buy.
iphone5 and 4S
This story again, proves that Apple is releasing two phones....http://www.slashgear.com/iphone-5-specs-leaked-by-cincinnati-bell-01184707/
What else will it take, haha.
This story again, proves that Apple is releasing two phones....http://www.slashgear.com/iphone-5-specs-leaked-by-cincinnati-bell-01184707/
What else will it take, haha.
Totally irrelevant. Every item you mentioned has been constantly revised for decades. On top of that, each of those things changed drastically immediately after their inception. The iPhone is no different. It hasn't been around for 20+ years. Drastic design changes in the first five years of its existence is normal and expected.
Except that 95% of phone owners don't know/care what processor and operating system there phones are running.
i believe that poster was implying that given the seemingly out-of-sync naming system 4 > 4S > 6... iPhone 6 next year would not make sense.
So Cincinnati Bell, some small ISP is the one to get the specifications and release them...right.
That makes no sense.
There is no indication of where they got their info from.
How do we know they have the info? Are the assuming? We don't know.
i have just made it through all 30 pages of this thread.
and died a little inside.
*must.... avert.... gaze....*
*must...... return..... to studying for medical school* ....
and died a little inside.
*must.... avert.... gaze....*
*must...... return..... to studying for medical school* ....
i have just made it through all 30 pages of this thread.
and died a little inside.
*must.... avert.... gaze....*
*must...... return..... to studying for medical school* ....
the iphone is important.
why would wring your hands over not doing something so trivial in comparison? some people...
What would Apple gain from calling it the 4S instead of 5?
If they call it the 4S they not only lose the fluid generational naming scheme and the iOS 5 > A5 > iOS 5 thing they also tell people its a minor upgrade.
Any smart business will want to tell people its the biggest upgrade possible to drive sales.
They gain NOTHING from calling it the 4S and in fact could lose sales by giving the impression of a minor upgrade.
Calling it, whatever it may be even if it looks EXACTLY like the iPhone 4, an iPhone 5 HELPS them in that it at least gives the impression of a major upgrade... Not to mention the other benefits I mentioned in the second line.