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Apple Outs "iPhone 4S" Name in Latest iTunes Beta

I still think (hope) they will announce an iPhone 5 along with an iPhone 4S, but if it is just the iPhone 4S, I would still buy it if it had really good hardware. We will find out soon enough
 
I have already mentioned my reasons I think they would DEFINITELY name the new phone an iPhone 5 but it boils down to one question you have to ask yourself.

What does Apple gain calling it an iPhone 4S?

They gain NOTHING!

All it does is tell people its a MINOR UPGRADE... It tells people "Its a new phone but not good enough to be called the iPhone 5"

This is a business... They want people to think its the BIGGEST UPGRADE POSSIBLE to drive sales. They don't want people thinking "If its just a minor upgrade my current one is OK" they want people to BUY and calling it a minor upgrade will hurt sales.

Even if it is the same phone that looks EXACTLY like the iPhone 4 they would never call it the iPhone 4S unless they COULDN'T call it the iPhone 5...

Why CAN'T they call it an iPhone 5? Because they are releasing two phone models... an iPhone 4S and an iPhone 5!
 
Thefan said:
Lets see, At&t has cases for the bigger phone, its also in their inventory, radio shack now has iphone 5s listed in their inventory, the new york times spoke with a Apple engineer that confirmed that a redesigned phone is coming in october, and Al Gore who is on the board of directors stated 'iphones' are coming in October.

I give up man, to hell with you people, haha.
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Al Gore never said that.

We don't know, based on the context of what he said whether or not he said "iPhones coming out this year" or "iPhone's coming out this year" As in "The iPhone is coming out this year"

If I say "My brother's coming over" i don't mean my two or more brothers I mean "My brother is"

It is far from proof.

Though I still think there are two models being released. I doubted it until I read this article but I would never believe Apple would alienate customers by calling this the 4S... They will only release a 4S if there is also a 5 coming out... If there is only one phone, even if it looks like the iPhone 4 it will be called the 5... So I think there are two models based on this article.
 
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rocknblogger said:
When the 3GS was released it was a completely different mobile market. Today the market is much faster and consumers expect better faster sleeker with every new release. Regardless of whether it's Android or Apple. Android has taken a decent bight out of Apple over the last 16 months. In that time there have been numerous handsets released with some powerful specs. Dual core, 8Mpx cameras, more memory and so on. From a business standpoint, not releasing a new iPhone 5 would be akin to marketing suicide. It would give Android a clear point of marketing attack to say "Look at how much better our phones are". HTC would probably be the most vocal and the biggest winner if there is no iPhone 5.

Apple is not a company to make bad business decisions. Not when the race is this close. I believe there will be an iPhone 5 because there has to be an iPhone 5. Otherwise Apple stands to lose (And will) more ground to Android.
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Problem is android is never collectively marketed as one and android pales compared to iOS
 
dfine1966 said:
You do know they are releasing 2 versions.

The iPhone 4S and iPhone 5.

The 4S is a lower model that most likely will be $99.

The 5 will be a higher model.

Here is a link that show a leak of both.

http://www.tuaw.com/2011/10/01/iphone-5-appears-temporarily-on-cincinnati-bell-website/
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That isn't proof...

We don't know if that company actually HAS any info... We don't know if they are speculating or not... We don't know.

Without a valid source we don't have a leak.
 
Captainobvvious said:
Even if it is the same phone that looks EXACTLY like the iPhone 4 they would never call it the iPhone 4S unless they COULDN'T call it the iPhone 5...

Why CAN'T they call it an iPhone 5? Because they are releasing two phone models... an iPhone 4S and an iPhone 5!
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I think your logic is flawed by way of the 3GS. Apple could have called that model the iPhone 4 but saved that moniker for its successor. It's quite possible and logical that Apple would name the one and only next iPhone the 4S. Just like with the 3GS the "S" is for speed as the 4S will be capable of HSPA+ on GSM networks where the 4 is not. Perhaps it will have some tweaked speed advantage on the CDMA networks too.

Will there be an iPhone 5? Probably. But I'd hedge my bet it comes out in 2011.
 
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Discoverer said:
Here is what Paul Thurrott had to say about this. I found it to be very amusing:

Apple will announce at least one new iPhone next week (there could be a revamped iPhone 4, as well), and although the rumors are all over the map, I have one prediction of my own. And that is that Apple will completely revamp the very much broken external antenna design that it saddled iPhone 4 users with. And that redesign will be present on the iPhone 5 and—if there is one—the "new" version of the iPhone 4 (which I believe the company will release at a lower price point). Beyond that ... whatever. The iPhone is yesterday's smartphone, and though it was fascinating when it came out, Apple has been surpassed by faster-moving and/or more innovative smartphone firms. Including, yes, Microsoft with Windows Phone. Deal with it.
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Paul thurrott is clearly an idiot.
 
ApplesAndOrangs said:
Yep, the anti-i5 crowd has it wrong. The 3gs was a different ballgame, the market HAS changed.

When people see a Samsung Galaxy SII, side by side with iphone4s, which phone would they pick? With competition like s2, it is imperative for them to keep up with the times. These are not times when they can just casually release a minor upgrade iphone, and people will jump on it. Back then there was nothing like 3GS! That's why it sold!
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Then why is it still the second best selling smartphone of all time after the iP4? Even when people can compare it to the Galaxy SII.
 
If you all are going to freak out like this because of a picture in an iTunes beta, maybe you should remember the icon in the iPhoto beta.
 
Chupa Chupa said:
I think your logic is flawed by way of the 3GS. Apple could have called that model the iPhone 4 but saved that moniker for its successor. It's quite possible and logical that Apple would name the one and only next iPhone the 4S. Just like with the 3GS the "S" is for speed as the 4S will be capable of HSPA+ on GSM networks where the 4 is not. Perhaps it will have some tweaked speed advantage on the CDMA networks too.

Will there be an iPhone 5? Probably. But I'd hedge my bet it comes out in 2011.
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No, they couldn't call the 3GS the iPhone 4 because it was the THIRD phone. Whatever would co,e out next year would be called the iPhone 6. Simce there was never an iPhone 3.
 
Captainobvvious said:
I have already mentioned my reasons I think they would DEFINITELY name the new phone an iPhone 5 but it boils down to one question you have to ask yourself.

What does Apple gain calling it an iPhone 4S?

They gain NOTHING!

All it does is tell people its a MINOR UPGRADE... It tells people "Its a new phone but not good enough to be called the iPhone 5"

This is a business... They want people to think its the BIGGEST UPGRADE POSSIBLE to drive sales. They don't want people thinking "If its just a minor upgrade my current one is OK" they want people to BUY and calling it a minor upgrade will hurt sales.

Even if it is the same phone that looks EXACTLY like the iPhone 4 they would never call it the iPhone 4S unless they COULDN'T call it the iPhone 5...

Why CAN'T they call it an iPhone 5? Because they are releasing two phone models... an iPhone 4S and an iPhone 5!
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How do you explain the 3GS - I think it sold pretty well.
 
Thefan said:
Again, this is why I give up. And I guess none of the other examples I gave prove anything either. I can't wait until Tuesday. And actuallyl Al Gore said exactly that, "new iphones in October".

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Um, all of that data actually confirms what the Apple engineer told the New York Times, but I guess that doesn't matter. It could be conincidence, but probably not. You guys would make poor investigators, haha.
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I already said I agreed with you. I just don't think those two things are PROOF.
 
I think many of the pundits are wrong.

The 4S takes the place of the iPhone 4 with dual-mode radio and faster processor (the S is for speed, right?). The iPhone4 becomes the cheap iPhone everyone is expecting. And yes, there will still be an iPhone 5 with the better camera, more memory, and maybe other hardware features that will top the iPhone 4S.
 
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Mark my words, the new CEO will make his first "one more thing" announcement: iPhone 5. The 4S will be the entry model. The extra 4 months let them reset their launch cycle.
 
Jay42 said:
How do you explain the 3GS - I think it sold pretty well.
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No matter what Apple comes out with on Tuesday it will sell well. But the iPhone 4 sold better than 3GS, that is because of internals AND design. Also, the 3GS lined up the numbers, Apple wouldn't mess that up now. The phone market is totally different now. They need to up their game.

How does a 3.5" screen rank in comparison to android phones? Is it one of the smallest or biggest? Or in a comfortable middle?
 
Jay42 said:
How do you explain the 3GS - I think it sold pretty well.
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It did sell well.

However why would Apple say "Hey this is a minor upgrade!"

When you release the iPhone 3 after the 3G the 3G sounds like the newer phone. Creating confusion. Hence 3GS.

They are not stupid businessmen. They aren't going to come out and tell people this isn't a major enough upgrade for us to call it the 5. There is literally NO logical business reason to call the only phone released this year the 4S.
 
applefan289 said:
I'm thinking the keynote on Tuesday will not have the same atmosphere with Tim as with Steve. Steve gave off that "passion" vibe - the vibe that he's the head of the company and he's loving to tell you about the next new product.

I don't know about Tim.
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lol, yeah, and Schiller, I mean, he's very passionate and genuine, but boy, is he awkward on stage!
 
Chupa Chupa said:
I think your logic is flawed by way of the 3GS. Apple could have called that model the iPhone 4 but saved that moniker for its successor. It's quite possible and logical that Apple would name the one and only next iPhone the 4S. Just like with the 3GS the "S" is for speed as the 4S will be capable of HSPA+ on GSM networks where the 4 is not. Perhaps it will have some tweaked speed advantage on the CDMA networks too.

Will there be an iPhone 5? Probably. But I'd hedge my bet it comes out in 2011.
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Is there any way to find out how the 3GS did in sales compared to the other phones? If it did significantly lower than the iPhone 1, 3G, and 4 then I doubt they would use 'S' again in their names unless they have an iPhone 5 ready to be announced as well.

It would be nice to see the stock for Apple tomorrow. I'd like to see the reaction from this slip up.
 
Dcuellar said:
Is there any way to find out how the 3GS did in sales compared to the other phones? If it did significantly lower than the iPhone 1, 3G, and 4 then I doubt they would use 'S' again in their names unless they have an iPhone 5 ready to be announced as well.

It would be nice to see the stock for Apple tomorrow. I'd like to see the reaction from this slip up.
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Sales figures dont matter for this discussion.

All that matters is the answer to THIS question:

WHY WOULD APPLE CALL IT THE IPHONE 4S WHEN THEY CAN CALL IT THE IPHONE 5?

As businessmen why would they call it the "iPhone minor upgrade" when they don't have to?
 
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