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Is there any reason to wait with roll out. Boon is German card issuer, N26 German bank at least these two are open for Apple Pay and they habe Apple Pay outside of Germany. I am pretty sure there are more banks open for it. Santander, Barclays, Amex - they all have Apple Pay. Why should they say „not in Germany“. Especially the fees are regulated by EU and not German specific (the fees dealers have to pay are in regulated EU all same).for me it’s not understandable why Apple delays that long, just because of lack of GiroCard compatibility? Really? They could have Germany on their country map immediate and it works here already (see boon work around) - really strange.
 
I was a silent reader since all the rumors came up and was hoping for Apple pay to be announced yesterday...

I am not an insider nor I have insider friends, but a relative of mine is working for a bank in Austria.
I was asking him last year in September about Apple Pay, and he said he heard it could be launched in Early 2018. But he didn’t knew any details because he said that in Austria Apple would have to partner up with the biggest (and only?) payment processor, Payment Services Austria in first instance.
I asked him to find out more, but he wasn’t able to...

I want to note that this is only a speculation and must not apply! This also could be only a rumor within the bank employees, but it’s exactly what he told me.
 
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Fame? Ok, this is over in about a week. I was really p is s e d this morning. I posted his first DMs, when I got them Did I ask him? No.

so the only thing which confuses my about sunny is, that he doesn't post here in this thread again. Why is he only writing PM via twitter with you?
 
Fame? Ok, this is over in about a week. I was really p is s e d this morning. I posted his first DMs, when I got them Did I ask him? No.
well at least he could have said any single word here. Before he was constantly posting and after that conference totally silence. I mean, is his keyboard broken? Truth or not, but that behavior makes a really bad impression to the people ...
 
well at least he could have said any single word here. Before he was constantly posting and after that conference totally silence. I mean, is his keyboard broken? Truth or not, but that behavior makes a really bad impression to the people ...
I absolutely agree with you on this.
 
Does „pop up“ means that this screen

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Turns into one with a plus sign to add a card? Or is something else meant?

I have never switched regions, so if there is an silent rollout, my phones can be an indicator...
 
Ah, I see. Thanks for digging that up :)
Do you have some additional info on those being supported in AP Italy?

Nevermind, found it: apple-pay-1.jpg
I suppose those icons are hardcoded into the issued card image then (as opposed to some others which use the local images for Mastercard and so forth).

Suppose it is in fact all in place then.
Well, what’s different about their V Pay and Maestro Cards is that they do have the 17-19 digit PAN number printed on them, which makes it possible to add these cards to Apple Pay without a special app, which is/wouldn’t be the case in Germany, since the banks must be thinking this number is “confidential” or whatever , so this PAN number would have to be accessed to using a special app and then used for Apple Pay, just like the boon App has the “Add to Apple Wallet” Button when you first set it up.
 
Checked that, no sign of AP on my iphone
To get that screen is easy, just switch to France, UK, Spain etc. - problem is it fails when you try to add a card issued in Germany. Sometimes these screens seems to pop out by accident sometimes. Sometimes for Apple Watch, sometimes on mac, iPad, iPhone. But that seems to be rather a glitch than A feature. For now there is no German card compatible with Apple Pay.
 
I was a silent reader since all the rumors came up and was hoping for Apple pay to be announced yesterday...

I am not an insider nor I have insider friends, but a relative of mine is working for a bank in Austria.
I was asking him last year in September about Apple Pay, and he said he heard it could be launched in Early 2018. But he didn’t knew any details because he said that in Austria Apple would have to partner up with the biggest (and only?) payment processor, Payment Services Austria in first instance.
I asked him to find out more, but he wasn’t able to...

I want to note that this is only a speculation and must not apply! This also could be only a rumor within the bank employees, but it’s exactly what he told me.

I also have no inside knowledge whatsoever, but what your friend said sounds quite plausible. All but one major Austrian consumer bank launched custom-branded versions of an app created by Payments System Austria (PSA) a few months ago. The Android versions of these apps already feature NFC payments using a special SIM card. It appears to me that everything is handled by PSA, therefore, partnering up with PSA would already cover most of the market.

For those unaware, we don't use something like Girocard in Austria. Debit cards issued by the banks who launched these apps are Maestro or vPay.
 
Concardis updated their homepage acknowledging the fact Apple Pay hasn’t been released in Germany yet but hoping it will do so soon.


https://www.concardis.com/apple-pay


Nevertheless the payment service provider wasn’t a reliable source, since it's only providing the hardware and Apple don’t need to make preparations, sign contracts or whatsoever in order to release its service in Germany. Apple Pay is using a system that is working for years now. Concardis is also offering payment solutions for online merchants, however, in contrary to offline retailers it does not have a market-dominating position in e-commerce and Apple isn’t forced to contract with any, since implementing Apple Pay for your online business via website or app can be done on your own. Therefore Concardis will hardly be able to spoil any insider information.



Moreover, you should be very reluctant trusting any rumours spread by any member in the forum. Those are - at best- based on information a person has heard that might be coming from someone who has insider knowledge due to his work connected with Apple Pay. People claiming to have such knowledge pass it on leading people to spread the rumour in such forums. However, those rumours are in most cases wrong, because most employees involved with Apple Pay within a bank lack actual knowledge when Apple Pay is going to be released. They can make statements about technical issues and whether a bank is actually working to implement Apple Pay. Those aren’t the people making the decision when it's going to be released. Very strict NDA efficiently prevent any bank to spoil a actual release date. So do not expect clear indications prior to a release. The release of Apple Pay in Brazil for instance hit a lot of people by surprise. Prior to the earnings call on Thursday people got their hopes up after some banks updated their apps, interpreting it as a sign for an Apple Pay release. Please don’t be fooled by such updates again. Banks won’t risk a breach of NDA by negligently spoiling any information, even if they just announce a “new feature” in the description.




That being said Apple isn’t able to prevent any information being leaked as different sources suggest there are indeed banks working to implement Apple’s payment service. It isn’t a well-kept secret that banks from countries where Apple Pay hasn’t been released yet but which are offering Apple Pay in other countries will likely be on board from the beginning when Apple Pay is released in their country of origin.

Germany is Apple’s main focus at the moment. It is the only big market for Apple where it hasn’t released its payment service yet. You can identify those markets by Apple’s release dates for new products like the iPhone. As it has been pointed out here, unique characteristics of the German financial industry and market forced Apple to postpone a start in Germany, so other countries can enjoy using the service while Germans are desperately waiting for their turn. Australia and mainly Switzerland acted as deterrents. Apple isn’t eager to repeat its mistake by launching Apple Pay for a few banks that assume the role of a digital pioneer but have a relatively small number of costumers. Due to the fact that the market is dominated by Sparkasse and Volksbank, which aren’t countrywide banks but consist of many small regional banks, Apple hasn’t one or two contract persons but far more. It is likely Apple will concentrate by signing deals with few big Sparkassen and hoping the others will follow. However, smaller banks in the union are trying to prohibit a launch at all since they fear to be left out in a market that already suffers by low interest rates by the ECB and the need to close branches, leaving only big banks and digital banks in the process of consolidation. In order to use Apple Pay in Germany in the (near) future you will probably have to switch to another bank or open another current account.


It isn’t sure whether Apple will support Girocards. Apple has at least entertained the idea, however, is reluctant to do so, because due to EU regulations the margin is even smaller compared to those of credit cards. Rumours about activation fees rather than a fee for every transaction are likely to be false. Even though such an agreement could persuade many banks, Apple won’t take a pass on those earnings, since it is trying to expand its revenue by its services like Apple Music oder Apple Pay. Furthermore, it would put Apple under pressure by other banks. In addition, people familiar with the matter concerning the technical implementation will unlikely have information regarding the financial deals between Apple and those banks as it is negotiated by a whole different department which is isolated itself and owing to their NDA prohibited to share any information with other departments. This might sound exaggerated, however, Apple has proven to take its secrecy very seriously. Regarding that, predictions in this forum about an imminent launch of Apple Pay in Germany and other countries seem at least doubtful.
 
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To get that screen is easy, just switch to France, UK, Spain etc. - problem is it fails when you try to add a card issued in Germany. Sometimes these screens seems to pop out by accident sometimes. Sometimes for Apple Watch, sometimes on mac, iPad, iPhone. But that seems to be rather a glitch than A feature. For now there is no German card compatible with Apple Pay.

Yeah, we know how to „force“ that screen. But then this won’t be an indicator for the silent rollout of AP in Germany.

So I will Not touch my region settings and just watch the wallet app and the system settings.,,
 
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Yeah, we know how to „force“ that screen. But then this won’t be an indicator for the silent rollout of AP in Germany.

So I will Not touch my region settings and just watch the wallet app and the system settings.,,

Dude there is no need to watch your wallet or system settings for what some people keep to repeating over and over again a „slow roll out of Apple Pay in Germany“. This is just not going to happen. Like I said earlier something like this did not happen before. Apple announced Brazil and that is what is going to happen next. Why should Apple roll ou a new feature without further notice? Rolling out a product without making a statement is like launching iPhone X without a keynote to announce it in the first place. Never happened and never will happen.
 
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Dude there is no need to watch your wallet or system settings for what some people keep to repeating over and over again a „slow roll out of Apple Pay in Germany“. This is just not going to happen. Like I said earlier something like this did not happen before. Apple announced Brazil and that is what is going to happen next. Why should Apple roll ou a new feature without further notice? Rolling out a product without making a statement is like launching iPhone X without a keynote to announce it in the first place. Never happened and never will happen.
Yep what ever you find on screens in iOS or Mac OS - that doesn’t mean anything. A short period there was even on Apple Homepage in a map Apple Pay Germany marked, That was also a mistake... but as far as I remember Russia was released without any big announcement
 
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Yep what ever you find on screens in iOS or Mac OS - that doesn’t mean anything. A short period there was even on Apple Homepage in a map Apple Pay Germany marked, That was also a mistake... but as far as I remember Russia was released without any big announcement
Right Russia hasn´t been announced.
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Dude there is no need to watch your wallet or system settings for what some people keep to repeating over and over again a „slow roll out of Apple Pay in Germany“. This is just not going to happen. Like I said earlier something like this did not happen before. Apple announced Brazil and that is what is going to happen next. Why should Apple roll ou a new feature without further notice? Rolling out a product without making a statement is like launching iPhone X without a keynote to announce it in the first place. Never happened and never will happen.
Never happened? Are you absolutely sure about that? Anyway time is ticking for sunny. What we know is, also he relies on other sources know, with a delay of(What did he say?) 12? hours.
 
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Concardis updated their homepage acknowledging the fact Apple Pay hasn’t been released in Germany yet but hoping it will do so soon.


https://www.concardis.com/apple-pay


Nevertheless the payment service provider wasn’t a reliable source, since it's only providing the hardware and Apple don’t need to make preparations, sign contracts or whatsoever in order to release its service in Germany. Apple Pay is using a system that is working for years now. Concardis is also offering payment solutions for online merchants, however, in contrary to offline retailers it does not have a market-dominating position in e-commerce and Apple isn’t forced to contract with any, since implementing Apple Pay for your online business via website or app can be done on your own. Therefore Concardis will hardly be able to spoil any insider information.



Moreover, you should be very reluctant trusting any rumours spread by any member in the forum. Those are - at best- based on information a person has heard that might be coming from someone who has insider knowledge due to his work connected with Apple Pay. People claiming to have such knowledge pass it on leading people to spread the rumour in such forums. However, those rumours are in most cases wrong, because most employees involved with Apple Pay within a bank lack actual knowledge when Apple Pay is going to be released. They can make statements about technical issues and whether a bank is actually working to implement Apple Pay. Those aren’t the people making the decision when it's going to be released. Very strict NDA efficiently prevent any bank to spoil a actual release date. So do not expect clear indications prior to a release. The release of Apple Pay in Brazil for instance hit a lot of people by surprise. Prior to the earnings call on Thursday people got their hopes up after some banks updated their apps, interpreting it as a sign for an Apple Pay release. Please don’t be fooled by such updates again. Banks won’t risk a breach of NDA by negligently spoiling any information, even if they just announce a “new feature” in the description.




That being said Apple isn’t able to prevent any information being leaked as different sources suggest there are indeed banks working to implement Apple’s payment service. It isn’t a well-kept secret that banks from countries where Apple Pay hasn’t been released yet but which are offering Apple Pay in other countries will likely be on board from the beginning when Apple Pay is released in their country of origin.

Germany is Apple’s main focus at the moment. It is the only big market for Apple where it hasn’t released its payment service yet. You can identify those markets by Apple’s release dates for new products like the iPhone. As it has been pointed out here, unique characteristics of the German financial industry and market forced Apple to postpone a start in Germany, so other countries can enjoy using the service while Germans are desperately waiting for their turn. Australia and mainly Switzerland acted as deterrents. Apple isn’t eager to repeat its mistake by launching Apple Pay for a few banks that assume the role of a digital pioneer but have a relatively small number of costumers. Due to the fact that the market is dominated by Sparkasse and Volksbank, which aren’t countrywide banks but consist of many small regional banks, Apple hasn’t one or two contract persons but far more. It is likely Apple will concentrate by signing deals with few big Sparkassen and hoping the others will follow. However, smaller banks in the union are trying to prohibit a launch at all since they fear to be left out in a market that already suffers by low interest rates by the ECB and the need to close branches, leaving only big banks and digital banks in the process of consolidation. In order to use Apple Pay in Germany in the (near) future you will probably have to switch to another bank or open another current account.


It isn’t sure whether Apple will support Girocards. Apple has at least entertained the idea, however, is reluctant to do so, because due to EU regulations the margin is even smaller compared to those of credit cards. Rumours about activation fees rather than a fee for every transaction are likely to be false. Even though such an agreement could persuade many banks, Apple won’t take a pass on those earnings, since it is trying to expand its revenue by its services like Apple Music oder Apple Pay. Furthermore, it would put Apple under pressure by other banks. In addition, people familiar with the matter concerning the technical implementation will unlikely have information regarding the financial deals between Apple and those banks as it is negotiated by a whole different department which is isolated itself and owing to their NDA prohibited to share any information with other departments. This might sound exaggerated, however, Apple has proven to take its secrecy very seriously. Regarding that, predictions in this forum about an imminent launch of Apple Pay in Germany and other countries seem at least doubtful.

Well said sir!
 
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  2. Das wissen wir beide und das wissen die übrigen MR- User im Thread. Es war eine Mitteilung an dich, nicht mehr und nicht weniger.

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  3. Klar. Dass die Seite vom Netz ist logisch... solche News stellen keine Praktikanten ins Netz...




  4. Das die Seite wieder offline ist, ist mir auch klar..

    16 Min.
    1. Es wurde aber veröffentlicht. Sprich Concardis weiß auch mehr.

      Aber egal. Ich bin jetzt aber wieder raus. Ich mache jetzt weiter meinen Job und bin erstmal raus. Was andere Leute denken, ist mehr Schnuppe. Ganz ehrlich.

      Ich habe verdammt viel Zeit (die ich gerne zurück haben möchte), damit verbracht Infos zusammen zu telefonieren, zutragen und aufzubereiten - neben Job und Familie. Das alles FREIWILLIG!

      Hier geht es nicht um Leben und tod, sondern um ein nice to have Feature.

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The only thing I ready is „mimimi“ ... how awkward.
 
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Apple is releasing slot of smaller hardware updates without telling...

But I am with you, I think they will announce it when expanding AP to Germany/new countries.

What I wanted to say referring to my untouched region settings in iOS is that some kind of messages or buttons appearing in an app over time is not Apple style imho. So I don’t think there is something like a silent rollout in terms of Apple Pay. And if they would roll this out silently, they would need another rollout to really activate it.

When they start AP here, and would have to update something on the users phones, i think they would rollout something which is working. And not a button which is not functional.
 
Apple is releasing slot of smaller hardware updates without telling...

But I am with you, I think they will announce it when expanding AP to Germany/new countries.

What I wanted to say referring to my untouched region settings in iOS is that some kind of messages or buttons appearing in an app over time is not Apple style imho. So I don’t think there is something like a silent rollout in terms of Apple Pay. And if they would roll this out silently, they would need another rollout to really activate it.

When they start AP here, and would have to update something on the users phones, i think they would rollout something which is working. And not a button which is not functional.
The role it out and the last step is the connection between MC and Visa and AP, tat is what sunny told me. He would not take all the time if he was a troll. If I´m wrong, he must be crazy.
 
Tbh I think we can kinda trust sunny.

Well ok he was not right with the German launch but at least he was right bout AP relevant information during the earnings call.

Maybe something happened that the launch has to be cancelled or delayed.

Let’s wait and see. Nothing else we can do...
 
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