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True enough. Most all small stores (eastern USA) have card readers that also take contactless payments. Thing is, for larger stores, e.g. Target, the small service fees handed over to Apple and the CC companies really start to add up when you have that kind of volume moving across your registers. Small stores barely feel it. For large stores that's a potentially big source of income you are missing out on. Hence, you try to go it alone (Walmart) or you try to cut the best possible deal to keep the most you can (everyone else). So yes, Target is rolling out ApplePay, and likely other systems as well, I don't know. Big win(s) for the ubiquitous, non-merchant specific NFC payment systems. Us LTE AppleWatch wearers continue to win freedom from our wallets and phones ;-)

The cut Apple gets come exclusively from the card issuer, not the retailer. The retailer sees no difference in the fee they pay regardless of whether you insert your chipped credit card or use Apple Pay.
 
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What aren't you seeing? Let's take Walmart as an example.

They don't want people using ApplePay because it costs them a small transaction fee. If their shoppers use WalmartPay, they benefit two ways. One, they save the transaction fee and can either keep it or give a little back to the shopper. Secondly, they get to keep all of the customer's data.
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That is not true. Walmart does *not* pay a small transaction fee - the ~0.12% ApplePay charges is born by the card issuing bank, not the merchant.

But it is about money, for sure. Walmart's margins are razor thin and has been trying to get its users to use its system (or cash or check) for years as that would allow it to circumvent whatever transaction fees they have to pay to the credit card company (small vendors pay around 3% - I doubt Walmart pays anywhere near that, but it's over 1% for sure.)
 
Kroger, Lowe's, Home Depot need to get their act together.

I have to say, I don't feel like contactless payments is catching on in the US. Sure, in places like NYC, SF, Silicon Valley etc, I'm sure Apple Pay is very popular. Here in the Midwest/South, when I use Apply Pay, especially with my watch, the cashier looks at me like I just performed some sort of voodoo magic. Or they tell me Apple Pay no longer works and hasn't been used in months. It's quite discouraging.
 
What aren't you seeing? Let's take Walmart as an example.

They don't want people using ApplePay because it costs them a small transaction fee. If their shoppers use WalmartPay, they benefit two ways. One, they save the transaction fee and can either keep it or give a little back to the shopper.

No, it doesn’t. The cut Apple gets comes from the issuing bank, not the retailer.

If you’re talking about the standard credit card fee that all retailers have to pay Walmart Pay doesn’t eliminate that either because Walmart Pay works with your standard credit cards.
 
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Hope so.

I’ve been using Apple Pay at Hy-Vee now for a month? Favorite thing about it is it still prompts you to remove your card when using Apple Pay or a swipe card...
That’s actually normal behavior in European terminals. Because Contactless cards are a physical card you have to “remove away from the screen”
 
I have to say, I don't feel like contactless payments is catching on in the US. Sure, in places like NYC, SF, Silicon Valley etc, I'm sure Apple Pay is very popular. Here in the Midwest/South, when I use Apply Pay, especially with my watch, the cashier looks at me like I just performed some sort of voodoo magic. Or they tell me Apple Pay no longer works and hasn't been used in months. It's quite discouraging.

I think usage is improving but it's definitely a generational thing for sure. I'm sure people will start saying that it failed, though, since we don't seem to be all that patient as a country. (Assuming they aren't already doing so, of course.)

Walmart Pay works with your standard credit cards.

For now. Once they get enough people using it, it wouldn't be completely out of the question to start offering incentives not to use them in the app. Say, for instance, 5% off of all purchases if you use ACH instead. A lot of their customer base totally would go for it simply because of the discount.

Then, once enough people opt into ACH or some other form of non-card payment, they can get rid of card functionality altogether. They'd likely still have the discount, of course, to encourage people who aren't already using the app to start doing so. A similar strategy to Target's REDcard, if you think about it (since the Mastercard can't be applied for, only the ones that are usable only in Target).
 
Oh goody...now my wife can spend money at Target just a little bit faster, and more secure which I am definitely good with.
 
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Great news! I’ve been wanting Apple Pay at Target badly as I go pretty frequently.
 
These "roll outs" are likely all contractual and marketing stuff.

Apple logo at terminals, other marketing materials, likely some type of software to link up with Apple, working with the ApplePay person to interface between stores and Apple, etc.

These things are a lot more complex than just "enabling NFC" on the terminals.

No, it’s not more complex. It’s literally as simple as enabling NFC payments on your terminal. Enable NFC and Apple Pay starts working. Anything else you want to do like have an Apple logo, etc. is optional.
 
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For now. Once they get enough people using it, it wouldn't be completely out of the question to start offering incentives not to use them in the app. Say, for instance, 5% off of all purchases if you use ACH instead. A lot of their customer base totally would go for it simply because of the discount.

Then, once enough people opt into ACH or some other form of non-card payment, they can get rid of card functionality altogether. They'd likely still have the discount, of course, to encourage people who aren't already using the app to start doing so. A similar strategy to Target's REDcard, if you think about it (since the Mastercard can't be applied for, only the ones that are usable only in Target).

I can guarantee you with 99.99999% certainty this ain’t going to happen.
 
How does a shop “roll out” Apple Pay? Everywhere accepts contactless cards so it works exactly the same.
At least that’s the case in Aus and other countries I’ve been to.
Simple. They finally enable Contactless. A godsend because Target has the slowest chip readers in the world. And too many questions on the chip readers.
 
For a country that’s supposed to be a beacon of advanced nations, you guys have a pretty stone aged banking system.

ApplePay was accepted virtually everywhere on day one in Canada because most retailers already had NFC terminals for tapping credit and debit cards. It’s the same in many of the European countries ApplePay is in.

Yet, in the US you still sign a piece of paper when you purchase something to authenticate that that’s your card? How is that for security? How has the US fallen so behind?

Actually, the banking system was well ahead of the world on this. We were the first country to roll out PayPass and PayWave en masse 14 years ago and before chip and PIN became the norm. Then the tin foil hats came out; people were going to steal your card number from the other side of restaurants while it was still in your pocket, they beat up the banks to remove them from Debit and Credit cards, places like McDonald’s removed the tap terminals... and now here we are, bringing it back because it’s better... like we tried telling those loudmouth idiots to begin with.
 
Ha ha ha. You're kidding right? The public doesn't give two whits about data breaches. Heck we're here talking about a company, Target, that had a huge data breach and didn't really miss a beat. You have a thread full of people who still used Target, even with no Apple Pay. They're just happier it's available now.


https://www.pymnts.com/mobile-wallet-adoption-statistics/
Walmart Pay isn't CurrentC. Walmart decided to go it alone and intro their own QR Code based Pay system. Dead simple, low tech, usable on iOS and Android, and by all indications, successful for Walmart. This isn't pre-anything; it's post. Walmart Pay was intro'd in 2016 after Apple Pay, Samsung Pay, and Android Pay.

Thanks for that link. Very interesting. Not sure I entirely trust that data, though. Simply cannot believe one of the statistics given:
"...24.8% OF USERS WITH IOS OR ANDROID PHONES HAVE SET UP WALMART PAY AND USED IT AT LEAST ONCE IN THE PAST..."
Since neither nobody in my immediate family, including parents, has Walmart Pay, I asked a couple colleagues in the hall - neither have they. Granted, they're professionals, so less likely to frequent Walmart, but still...0 for 8. Hard to believe that 1/4 of all smartphone users have Walmart Pay installed and tried it once.
 
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The tipping point is finally upon us! I speculated that it was coming in 2019 a couple weeks ago. Many grocery stores are now accepting it and it was only a matter of time for Target, and Walmart won't have much of a choice now. This is going to be great for customer security and privacy. I've had to get so many new cards issued from various hacks over the years that I now find myself going out of my way to shop at places that accept Apple Pay.
 
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Yes, but the merchant still pays a transaction fee to the credit card bank. Apple gets a small cut from the transaction fee. I'm not disagreeing with the value added by ApplePay to both the shopper and the bank in terms of security.


Sorry, my post was unclear.

What I meant is that a merchant like Walmart generally doesn't want people to use credit cards at all. The merchant pays a small percentage of the transaction to the credit card company. Of course all they're really doing is passing that cost down to the shopper, but every penny helps the bottom line.

In an of itself, Walmart isn't necessarily against ApplePay. They likely don't care much between whether a shopper uses a credit card or ApplePay. They hate it equally much.

Using WalmartPay (which I think is tied to either the shopper's checking account or pre-paid debit account, or perhaps a Walmart branded credit card), Walmart would be able to avoid paying the credit card transaction fee.
Walmart Pay is tied to whatever card you want it tied to, Debit or Credit card. No Walmart branded card required.
 
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