Apple Permanently Bans 'Infowars' App From the App Store

[KGB7]

Logic is subjective, what's logical for one is not the same for another. Feelings play a part in many aspects of our life, decisions are not different.

Trump runs his mouth all every single day because of feelings. He goes on twitter tirades because he gets butthurt, hence his feelings are hurt. And yes people have a valid fear of Trump doing something stupid over his lack of control of his feelings.

Logic is; subjective, objective and factual.

Feelings do play a big part, but should play less part when other people life’s are involved.
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You have to enable NSFW option in settings. The app itself isn't the easiest to navigate to that option but you can enable via the web site and as long as you're logged in with the same account on the app then NSFW content will show up.

Great. Thanks for the guidance.

I am curious why Apple alowed for the app to return back to app store.

 

[pat500000]

But he has free speech. As discussed many times.

Free press?

 

[KGB7]

I don't know if they are or not, I can't say either way. Im simply pointing out that it's their right to do as they please. Again if you use their services, you are choosing to do so freely.

Technically, they are not allowed to do as they please. They can’t discriminate against any protected class under federal law. Or brake any laws.
They could and they can but, there would be repercussions.

 

[mudslag]

Technically, they are not allowed to do as they please. They can’t discriminate against any protected class under federal law. Or brake any laws.
They could and they can but, there would be repercussions.

I think that would be obvious. Clearly I was referring to their TOS, if they feel X violated it, they are free to address as they see fit. Again, you can be sure that their lawyers would have backed that to Apple's fullest protections.

 

[Zachari]

Not gonna reread it with that attitude. And it seems like everyone is having a hard time understanding your point, so you should try rewording it.

Typical.

 

[KGB7]

I think that would be obvious. Clearly I was referring to their TOS, if they feel X violated it, they are free to address as they see fit. Again, you can be sure that their lawyers would have backed that to Apple's fullest protections.

I was simply clarifying it. Since logic and common sense, unfortunately is not present in some people....not pointing fingers at anyone specific.

 

[FelixDerKater]

I don’t like the guy, but there is a lot of trash on SiriusXM, etc. This is a shameful move.

 

[Glockworkorange]

It's a 1st amendment issue because there was no workplace rule in the NFL regarding body posture during the anthem. And as I noted, the NFL and NFLPA were negotiating a solution that would become a rule. So it doesn't currently appear that the NFL thinks it's wise to claim that the 1st amendment isn't involved at all. They prefer to add something specific to the NFLPA agreement.

I’m sorry but you’re wrong. If you are correct, I will eat my law degree and law licenses from two states.
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THAT is actually up to much debate. There doesn't seem to be clear consensus whether or not kneeling during the anthem is or isn't protected by the first amendment. Like discussing Kaepernick's stats & his worth as a player, you can find plenty of articles debating whether or not kneeling is a form of protected speech. It's all in how you want to frame the conversation. What the focus has been has mostly on how the protest makes some people feel. Going by the poster's response to you it seemed their focus was referring to whether it was against some kind of rules by the NFL to kneel during the anthem. At least that's what I was going by.

As I told the other guy, I’m sorry, but you are wrong.

 

[Ronlap]

They just did.

No they did not. A Trillion-dollar company just decided what you are allowed to read.

 

[lostngone]

Don’t celebrate just yet. I am not arguing that Apple does or does not have the right to do this, they are a private company that can do what they want.

HOWEVER. Ask yourself what happens when it isn’t the Alex Jones App they are removing but for example a Catholic Church App because they don’t believe women can hold the same positions as men or because of all the child molestation. Maybe they remove Facebook, Instagram snapchat apps because they have many offensive and hateful things in them.

You might be thinking “that would never happen” but we are one moral shift from exactly that happening.

Would you be celebrating then?

 

[mudslag]

No they did not. A Trillion-dollar company just decided what you are allowed to read.

Technically they decided what app was allowed or in this case not allowed in their store. You're still free to read what ever you want, you just can't use a particular app. Jones still offers his info via other means.

 

[Rajani Isa]

No they did not. A Trillion-dollar company just decided what you are allowed to read.

While using their portal. You can still read whatever you want via safari or another web browser

 

[mudslag]

Don’t celebrate just yet. I am not arguing that Apple does or does not have the right to do this, they are a private company that can do what they want.

HOWEVER. Ask yourself what happens when it isn’t the Alex Jones App they are removing but for example a Catholic Church App because they don’t believe women can hold the same positions as men or because of all the child molestation. Maybe they remove Facebook, Instagram snapchat apps because they have many offensive and hateful things in them.

You might be thinking “that would never happen” but we are one moral shift from exactly that happening.

Would you be celebrating then?

Holy leaping lizards Evel Knievel, that's quite a jump you are suggesting.

 

[Rajani Isa]

Don’t celebrate just yet. I am not arguing that Apple does or does not have the right to do this, they are a private company that can do what they want.

HOWEVER. Ask yourself what happens when it isn’t the Alex Jones App they are removing but for example a Catholic Church App because they don’t believe women can hold the same positions as men or because of all the child molestation. Maybe they remove Facebook, Instagram snapchat apps because they have many offensive and hateful things in them.

You might be thinking “that would never happen” but we are one moral shift from exactly that happening.

Would you be celebrating then?

If the app was found to be promoting child molestation, or actual illegal activity against women, they would. I feel fairly certain of that.

 

[KGB7]

Holy leaping lizards Evel Knievel, that's quite a jump you are suggesting.

He’s not wrong. Who’s to say it won’t happen? Look around, the world is a mess. People are suggesting to give new born children numbers instead of names, till a child is old enough to identify their own gender. Parents deciding gender for their own children, before a child even has a clue what a word “gender” means.

And don’t get me started on Walmart, we will be here all night discussing it. Yet Walmart’s app is on App Store.

If there was Earth #2 in our solar system, but opposite from ours, half the people would have left this planet, while other half would try to destroy it.

It’s a shame, so much time and energy, wasted on petty differences. Left wing, right wing, no wing, middle wing, etc.
If you like camping and beer then great. Instead, political views and affiliations, are keeping you and Bob apart from having a beer.
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If the app was found to be promoting child molestation, or actual illegal activity against women, they would. I feel fairly certain of that.

There is an Amish recipe app in Apple store. Amish women don’t have same rights as Amish men.... with in their own community.

Muslim bible apps on App Store, while Muslim women don’t have same rights as Muslim men... on US soil.

 

[mudslag]

He’s not wrong. Who’s to say it won’t happen? Look around, the world is a mess. People are suggesting to give new born children numbers instead of names, till a child is old enough to identify their own gender. Parents deciding gender for their own children, before a child even has a clue what a word “gender” means.

And don’t get me started on Walmart, we will be here all night discussing it. Yet Walmart’s app is on App Store.

If there was Earth #2 in our solar system, but opposite from ours, half the people would have left this planet, while other half would try to destroy it.

It’s a shame, so much time and energy, wasted on petty differences. Left wing, right wing, no wing, middle wing, etc.
If you like camping and beer then great. Instead, political views and affiliations, are keeping you and Bob apart from having a beer.

According to what's come out, AJ has had multiple run ins with twitter, apple and so forth about crossing the line of those services's TOS. So this isn't exactly something that happened straight out of the blue. There has been a progression to this issue and to the point where these companies said enough. So worrying about what if's by coming up with off the wall scenarios that have no past history of issues does not help address the current situation.

Again if X want's to use Y's service, then X is obligated to follow Y's rules. Break those rules, Y can do as they want. And like any company worth a penny, even state in their TOS how they can change those rules as needed. So if people have a problem with the way these companies deal with others breaking their TOS, the best way to deal with these cases is to do what tends to have the most effect, either boycott them or stop using their products all together.

 

[KGB7]

According to what's come out, AJ has had multiple run ins with twitter, apple and so forth about crossing the line of those services's TOS. So this isn't exactly something that happened straight out of the blue. There has been a progression to this issue and to the point where these companies said enough. So worrying about what if's by coming up with off the wall scenarios that have no past history of issues does not help address the current situation.

Again if X want's to use Y's service, then X is obligated to follow Y's rules. Break those rules, Y can do as they want. And like any company worth a penny, even state in their TOS how they can change those rules as needed. So if people have a problem with the way these companies deal with others breaking their TOS, the best way to deal with these cases is to do what tends to have the most effect, either boycott them or stop using their products all together.

You are right.
IMHO, tos needs an update.

I don’t know if Alex Jones is an entertainer or cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs, and I don’t care, I’m also not a Doctor to judge his medical or mental state.

Walmart, has financial power and influence with their deep pockets. If Alex Jones, had financial influence, no one would ban his app, even if he was medicaly bat **** crazy.

Point is, money talks and the rest don’t matter.

 

[341328]

Here is Alex Jones' most recent thuggish stunt: harassing and touching Senator Marco Rubio during the Senator's meeting with journalists.

Rubio responds like "Hey, don't touch me, man. Don't touch me." Senator Rubio also calls Alex Jones a "dumbass". It's all recorded in the video. LOL

I sure hope you speak out against all thug behavior?

 

[logicstudiouser]

I have only seen clips of this guy on YouTube, personally it is not for me, but I don't see why this was necessary. Unless I consciously choose to search and download the app, it would never impact my life or anyone else that doesn't use it. Slippery slope for free speech

 

[IlluminatedSage]

Censorship is wrong on any level here. Apple ought not act as gatekeeper for content on its computer. It is a very slippery slope and free speech rights much be protected.

 

[macduke]

Really? Which funerals has he picketed? You may want to avoid ruining your credibility with your first sentence.

Straw man argument: an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent.

I will provide my full quote once again below in the interest of full transparency. You have taken part of what I said, which was the completely irrelevant part, and argued against that. This is a tactic commonly used by Mr. Jones’ followers. Instead of being reasonable and honest, they twist and distort. This is also a tactic commonly used by satan, the great deceiver. Coincidence? I think not. This is what I wrote and yet you did not feel necessary to fully quote because it reduces your argument to ashes once you move beyond the first sentence into the actual explanation:

He’s the equivalent of a Westboro Baptist Church. Neither really believes what they’re spewing, but it riles up people and makes them money and gives them fame. Case in point: Alex Jones was caught the other day when the camera was showing a sponsor on his iPhone and he accidentally went into his iPhone tabs in landscape which showed he had been recently viewing transvestite pornography. I mean, if that’s what he’s into then whatever, but it goes against everything he has said on the matter and proves my point.

You have twisted my words. You cannot deny that. Their commonality lies in the fact that they do not believe what they are preaching and in being hypocritical have found fame and/or financial incentive. It is true that each are both doing and preaching different things—but that is the irrelevant part and in no way part of my argument. Both disseminate hate and provoke violence and are therefore worthy of being ostracized from our society. Both Westboro and Jones are evil, in my opinion. Inciting violence and hatred is the way of satan, for the Bible says in Matthew 22:

36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?”

37 Jesus said to him,“‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

If you believe that, then you cannot be a follower of Jones, for the two philosophies are in direct opposition. I say this only because Jones and many of his followers profess a Christian faith, and because as someone of Christian faith, I am sick and tired of right-wing propagandists appropriating my faith for their own financial and/or political gains. Jesus preached love all day long and yet people like Jones are working as hard as they can to tear down everything that He worked towards—the spread of love and compassion into a dark and broken world. I’m far from perfect but I don’t actively work to destroy the faith that I claim to believe in like Jones. His worldview is a very selfish one where self-preservation of culture takes precedence over actual care for others. This is the antithesis of Christianity and the ideologies could not be further apart.

 

[chr1s60]

And we as a society have decided that we want limits and social norms, manners, and behavioral standards.

You sound like one of those people that say it’s “we as a society” when you support something that happens, but it’s “not my president” when you don’t. It can’t be both.

I think this guy is a d bag but Apple is making a risky decision here.

I do have to wonder if it was Apple censoring a left wing extremist, how many here in support would still be supporting the decision?

 

[480951]

This is really simple (imo of course). Apple is not the government, they are completely free to pick and choose what is available on their platform and deem what they deserve to be hate speech. If you don't agree with it, buy another companies products or stop giving them money. The first amendment only applies to the government, not businesses or companies. Would I be infringing on someone's right to "free speech" if they came into my home, starting making threats and being ridiculous and I made them leave? No.

Not every single company/business that exists is required to give a platform to every single view people have, hateful or not. Alex Jones is more then free to continue providing content on his own website, or yelling outside on a street corner etc. Apple is under no obligation to support his rhetoric. Until the government arrests him and puts a stop to his rhetoric directly, he still has ways of spreading his ideas.

 

[dilbert99]

Which courts because Apple operates under hundreds of different governments. Also, why would you want a private business to give away all their rights to their websites to a government? That’s just a dumb idea.

That's not what I said. What is free speech or not is governed by laws.
Apple by removing him from the platform is censoring speech, i.e. becoming the judge of what is free speech or not.
Personally, I don't think he should be on the platform, but I don't think Apple should be the judge of that from a free speech point of view.
Then you get in to the terms of service and the cross over between free speech and what is allowed is more of a grey area. Yes Apple is allowed to remove what ever they want as it is their platform. But they have to watch that they are not becoming the judge of what constitutes free speech.

 

[mudslag]

Censorship is wrong on any level here. Apple ought not act as gatekeeper for content on its computer. It is a very slippery slope and free speech rights much be protected.

That's not how free speech works and yes they technically are the gate keepers, to their own service.