Apple Plans to Start Reopening Retail Stores in First Half of April

[sirghost]

Every post you have made has been easily dismantled by the actually educated people in here.

Your opinions have been shown to be irrelevant.

My statement above is not an a opinion, it was a question, if the majority or a big portion have the virus why should we kill world economies?

This is a question, not an opinion so if you do not like the question then say so without bashing me personally.

 

[now i see it]

Several hundred per day?

There are only 2,000 cases in all of California and it took a while to get to that point.

Yes, there are more infections every day, but no need to exaggerate.

New York City has 13,000 cases which is unfortunate.

Here's this last week's stats for confirmed tested positive cases in CA USA. I won't include deaths because it's too sad.

3/17: 472
3/18: 598
3/19: 675
3/20: 1006
3/21: 1224
3/22: 1468
3/23: 1733

As the number of tested positive results increase, so does the number of people who are flying under the radar, unreported, sick at home.

Source:

News Releases 2020

www.cdph.ca.gov

 

[sirghost]

You have ignored all of the facts that have been given to you and continue to push your rubbish.

It has continually been shown to be irrelevant, as is your reply you just made.

Like the fact that I have first hand knowledge of this virus by having it myself and that for healthy people it is not as big of a deal as the media and yourself are playing it to be?

if that is me being irrelevant then your opinion of me being irrelevant is irrelevant in of itself.

 

[Vjosullivan]

West Nile Virus, Ebola, Rocky Mountain Fever, etc...it's called from where it came from.

Regardless of what other, unrelated diseases are called, this virus is called COVID-19. The only people calling it the Chinese Virus are people who value blame over action.

 

[QCassidy352]

the point is that 70%, if not much higher, of people in America already probably have it.

You literally just made that number up out of thin air.

I’d be willing to bet that for every 1 confirmed there are hundreds if not thousands unconfirmed with mild/no symptoms.

Again, totally fabricated by nothing but your own wishful thinking.

I am infected with this virus,and no, it is not nearly as bad as you are making it to be.

The only symptoms I had was a mild fever for about 12 hours, some body ache for a few days and a tiny cough

That’s good, I’m glad you’re ok. Hopefully it does not get much worse in the second week of symptoms, as happens to so many people.

regardless, your personal experience is irrelevant to the broader discussion. We know that some people have no symptoms, some have mild, some moderate, and some severe (ICU/death). We also know that the percentage that will experience severe symptoms is high enough that millions will die in the US alone if this is not stopped. Again, this is not a matter of opinion; this is math.

 

[JimmyBanks6]

Like the fact that I have first hand knowledge of this virus by having it myself and that for healthy people it is not as big of a deal as the media and yourself are playing it to be?

if that is me being irrelevant then your opinion of me being irrelevant is irrelevant in of itself.

Medical experts prove you wrong. A nobody online's opinion (yours) is irrelevant.

 

[falainber]

This is horribly irresponsible to be announcing this even before the cases of Covid have peaked, which isn't likely to happen by mid-april.

It would be irresponsible if it was a public announcement. They can communicate the plans to their employees. Plans may change depending on the situation. It looks more and more likely that by the mid April most states will be on full lock down though. Apple may still be able to open their store in West Virginia (that is if they have one over there).

 

[sirghost]

Here's this last week's stats for confirmed tested positive cases in CA USA. I won't include deaths because it's too sad.

3/17: 472
3/18: 598
3/19: 675
3/20: 1006
3/21: 1224
3/22: 1468
3/23: 1733

As the number of tested positive results increase, so does the number of people who are flying under the radar, unreported, sick at home.

Source:

News Releases 2020

www.cdph.ca.gov

The number of unreported has been way under reported since day one.

What we need and would keep panic from getting worse would be the number of those that are in the hospital along with those that are confirmed infected and start reporting those that have recovered once again as they removed that last number from a lot of the reporting.

 

[Mw0103]

Common ****ing sense tells you that there are a whole heck of a lot more people have it that are going unreported.

Which is not a majority. If the question is “why risk world economies based on the current situation,” the answer is because scientists and doctors say this is the best way to slow (not prevent) the spread in order to allow our health systems to cope in order to mitigate the death toll (which, in turn, is more beneficial to economies long-term).

As far as I know, the only ones promoting an early return to business as usual are politicians, conservative media pundits, and random internet posters (all with questionable economic, scientific, medical, or epidemiological backgrounds).

 

[Gasu E.]

And then 2,400,000...we’re all gonna die!

He's just describing exponential growth, which is a primary characteristic of pandemics. Yeah, 2.4 M could easily get it, without mitigation.

38 million flu illnesses, 390,000 hospitalizations and 23,000 deaths from flu this year.

It's funny... just a couple of weeks ago, some guy made the same point to me, and was laughing because the USA had only 1000 cases and 38 deaths. So today, it's 50,000 known cases and 700 deaths. Pandemics grow exponentially without mitigation; and, unlike the flu, there's no known mitigation other than isolation and separation. So without mitigation, we should fly right past that flu death rate, maybe in a month. It's really no stretch at all. Given that it takes 30 days from contraction to death, there are probably 40-50,000 dead men walking right now.

 

[Solomani]

This is horribly irresponsible to be announcing this even before the cases of Covid have peaked, which isn't likely to happen by mid-april.

This was not an Apple announcement.

 

[Peza19]

I’m not sure why so many posts are concentrating on the elderly, there are literally millions at risk who are not elderly, how many people have asthma for one? Diabetic? Some types of cancer groups are at risk. And so on..

Coronavirus: Italian doctors warn COVID-19 can make young people seriously ill

Hospitals in Italy are seeing people in their 20s and 30s admitted to intensive care with severe cases of coronavirus.

news.sky.com

 

[Speedy2]

Speedy2 said:
So?
Italy had about 3 million flu cases and about 250 flu deaths the entire season.
Compared to nearly 7,000 Covid-19 deaths in less than 3 weeks, with numbers still sharply rising.

And this is not some poor 3rd world country with a crappy health care system.
The region that is mostly hit is the Northern part around Milano, that is among the richest areas in Europe.

[1] https://www.thelocal.it/20200123/flu-outbreak-in-italy-half-a-million-people-struck-down-in-a-week
[2] https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/



Italy had 24000 deaths in 2017 from respiratory viruses. The reason is their population of elderly is 20% higher than the average in the EU. This isn't some new phenomenal in Italy you know right?

• In the winter seasons from 2013/14 to 2016/17, an estimated average of 5,290,000 ILI cases occurred in Italy, corresponding to an incidence of 9%.​

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• More than 68,000 deaths attributable to flu epidemics were estimated in the study period.​

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• Italy showed a higher influenza attributable excess mortality compared to other European countries. especially in the elderly.​

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https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971219303285

Oh I know that link very well. It always pops up when people want to explain away the danger of the new Corona virus.
But if you look closer, it doesn't explain away anything.

Lets's reiterate.
Covid-19 in Italy killed 7,000 in about a month, with more than 500 additional deaths PER DAY right now. This is already under the effect of extremely strict quarantine measures in the country. Despite this, there are still >5000 new infections per day.
So if we keep the current status quo the virus will have killed more people in 5 months than the flu in 4 years. WITH extreme quarantine measures in place now. I think the maths speaks for itself.
Without strict measures, the number of deaths was growing exponentially. I'm sure you are able to calculate what that means.


Btw, that "old population is responsible for Corona deaths" idea has no basis.
Italy is among the oldest populations in Europe with a median of 45,5, that's correct. Other European countries have median ages like 47,1 (Germany), 42,6 (Netherlands), Spain (42,7) Among those, especially young Spain has been hit very hard by Covid-19 with currently almost 3000 deaths (+ 500 per day). On the other hand old Germany has only had 160 deaths so far (+ 30 per day). So the notion that the median age correlates with bad or worse Corona outbreaks is extremely weak.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_median_age
[2] https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/spain/
[3] https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/germany/

 

[falainber]

please explain. Would be terrific if you were right. Unfortunately, not a single medical expert agrees with you, so I’d love to see your work on this conclusion.

Is not it quite obvious? Many people infected with this virus are asymptomatic. What are the chances that they get tested? Very little. Current guidelines actually prevent such people from being tested (unless they just returned from Italy). If all infected people were diagnosed (as you suggest) there would not be much of new spreading (these people would all be quarantined) but this is definitely not the case.

 

[QCassidy352]

Is not it quite obvious? Many people infected with this virus are asymptomatic. What are the chances that they get tested? Very little. Current guidelines actually prevent such people from being tested (unless they just returned from Italy). If all infected people were diagnosed (as you suggest) there would not be much of new spreading (these people would all be quarantined) but this is definitely not the case.

Yeah I just went back and reread the post I quoted. I had misread it. I agree that many people have it and are asymptomatic and untested.

 

[jwwy]

Bring it on!
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Blows my mind that people think we should shut down the world for a very small percentage of people at risk that can take care of themselves by staying away from the rest of us. If I give your grandma thismess, guess what, she was out in public too.

blows my mind that some people are still so naive about the impact of CV.

 

[Gasu E.]

The 2018 flu scared no one and 80,000 Americans died from it according to CDC.

You are comparing a disease that has run its course with one that is just getting started, which is a false comparison.

The problem with this puppy is that it has a 2% death rate, no vaccine, and no identified immunities. So without isolation, in the USA, that's 6M dead. 120M world-wide. And with unmitigated exponential growth, based on the rates you are seeing in medium density parts of the USA, it would take 2-3 months to reach that point, once the disease gets rooted in an area. Of course, mitigation does happen even just with social distancing and aggressive handwashing. But, those numbers are actually real, if no one does anything at all. That's why people are taking it seriously.

 

[QCassidy352]

The problem with this puppy is that it has a 2% death rate [...]

2% death rate when people can receive treatment, including being on a ventilator. Much, much worse once the ventilators are all occupied. So yeah, the comparison to the flu isn’t a good one.

 

[firewood]

More innumeracy and lack of business sense here. The data is still coming in, and it's all very messy (lack of reporting standards, testing standards, etc.), and so the statistical error bars are very wide. A business needs to be able to flex under changing conditions.

If more data comes in at the high end of the error bars, Apple has to be prepared to stay shut down for months. If more data comes in near the low end of the error bars, the Apple has to warn their staff to be ready to go back to work ASAP.

 

[Gasu E.]

Don’t forget that the others are also racist.

How does it feel to be a non-sociopath?

Pretty good, if you are the benchmark.
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2% death rate when people can receive treatment, including being on a ventilator. Much, much worse once the ventilators are all occupied. So yeah, the comparison to the flu isn’t a good one.

Yeah. I was just showing the math to the deniers. It helps to use moderately conservative numbers when doing that.

 

[mattopotamus]

You literally just made that number up out of thin air.

Again, totally fabricated by nothing but your own wishful thinking.

That’s good, I’m glad you’re ok. Hopefully it does not get much worse in the second week of symptoms, as happens to so many people.

regardless, your personal experience is irrelevant to the broader discussion. We know that some people have no symptoms, some have mild, some moderate, and some severe (ICU/death). We also know that the percentage that will experience severe symptoms is high enough that millions will die in the US alone if this is not stopped. Again, this is not a matter of opinion; this is math.

I didn’t just make those numbers or % up. There are several scientist actually saying the same. Every day it seems like the media is finally switching to that tune. This was from nearly a month ago.

Harvard scientist: coronavirus pandemic likely will infect 40-70% of world this year

A Harvard epidemiologist calls a global COVID-19 pandemic ‘likely’ while CDC doctors say they are bracing for it to spread beyond the current 15 cases in the US

thehill.com

NY prepping for 80% of their state. That’s going to be the entire US

US cases top 32,000 as New York governor estimates 40% to 80% of state will get coronavirus | CNN

At least 400 people have died due to the novel coronavirus in the United States, another grim milestone as the number of US cases topped 32,000 on Sunday.

www.cnn.com

 

[Cycom]

Pretty good, if you are the benchmark.
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Yeah. I was just showing the math to the deniers. It helps to use moderately conservative numbers when doing that.

What exactly did I say that was sociopathic/racist? Go ahead and find the quote.

 

[QCassidy352]

Yeah. I was just showing the math to the deniers. It helps to use moderately conservative numbers when doing that.

agreed. I was just adding more color to the math. Terrifying color.

I didn’t just make those numbers or % up. There are several scientist actually saying the same. Every day it seems like the media is finally switching to that tune. This was from nearly a month ago.

Harvard scientist: coronavirus pandemic likely will infect 40-70% of world this year

A Harvard epidemiologist calls a global COVID-19 pandemic ‘likely’ while CDC doctors say they are bracing for it to spread beyond the current 15 cases in the US

thehill.com

NY prepping for 80% of their state. That’s going to be the entire US

US cases top 32,000 as New York governor estimates 40% to 80% of state will get coronavirus | CNN

At least 400 people have died due to the novel coronavirus in the United States, another grim milestone as the number of US cases topped 32,000 on Sunday.

www.cnn.com

What? You said probably 70% ALREADY has it or has had it. Which is not at all what any reputable expert is saying, or what the link you posted says.

 

[firewood]

The 2018 flu scared no one and 80,000 Americans died from it according to CDC.

The 2018 flu did not show exponential growth, and fill ICUs so fast that people were left to die in the hallway (see news from Italy last week).

Try the using exponent key on your calculator (iPhone in landscape has one), you can make some really big numbers (vastly more than 80k) just with tiny changes in the numbers you put in.

1.02 x^y 365 = 1377 (less than swimming pool drownings?)
1.03 x^y 365 = 48k (less than the annual flu)
1.05 x^y 365 = 54 million (more than the entire pop of California)

 

[jerryk]

yep , they can open but be pickup only and no one inside etc. kind of like Bestbuy is doing.

Starbucks by me is also has only pickup for walk-in stores or drive-thru only. And many locations are fully closed.