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Unless it's Super AMOLED +, it uses pentile displays which makes pixels look like crap.

Of course I'm talking about the +. Sorry I forgot to specify but I am talking about the Super AMOLED + displays that have been out on the market for almost an year now.

All of your criticisms are about the non + versions. The + version is what I'm referring to.

Those whoop on the IPS display in the iPhone, and every comparison says so.

Or hell, just go look at one if you don't believe me.

A 4" Super AMOLED + at 960x640 would be a drastic improvement over the current screen.

And my point about the nm is that Apple does not have to wait for Samsung to lower the nm. Apple has more than enough funds that they could keep pace with Intel and come out with 18nm ARM chips, exclusively available on iPhones many years before others start making them.

It would give them a huge edge over the competition in terms of battery life and processing power.

Also, given the funds Apple has, why have they released a navigation app even half as good as the build in Google Nav app that comes built into every Andriod phone. The google nav app is lightyears ahead of Navigon, Tomtom and all the other third party apps out on the App Store. It's time Apple made a decent built in Navigation App to keep pace with Andriod in that regard, because the third parties are utterly failing at doing so.
 
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The iPhone 4s is selling well in part because most of the previous iPhone owners are stuck with Apple due to having spend a bunch of money on Apps, Music and Movies already.

I upgraded to the 4s at launch not because I felt it was the best phone on the market (it's objectively behind competitors in terms of screen and battery), but because I already sunk over a $1000 into Apple Apps and iTunes.

Not true. In fact, I don't know personally know anyone who has spent that much money on the Apple ecosystem. None of my family members have felt pressured to stay with Apple.

The screen and battery are phenomenal on my 4 and my brother's 4S. Ahead of the competition.
 
That isn't smart business. They are making money on what they are doing now. They have never been about blowing us away with hardware specs. The iPhone is a great phone with a great ecosystem and support. The specs are comparable with the best phones out there and the battery life is far better.

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Of course I'm talking about the +. Sorry I forgot to specify but I am talking about the Super AMOLED + displays that have been out on the market for almost an year now.

All of your criticisms are about the non + versions. The + version is what I'm referring to.

Those whoop on the IPS display in the iPhone, and every comparison says so.

Or hell, just go look at one if you don't believe me.

A 4" Super AMOLED + at 960x640 would be a drastic improvement over the current screen.

And my point about the nm is that Apple does not have to wait for Samsung to lower the nm. Apple has more than enough funds that they could keep pace with Intel and come out with 18nm ARM chips, exclusively available on iPhones many years before others start making them.

It would give them a huge edge over the competition in terms of battery life and processing power.

Also, given the funds Apple has, why have they released a navigation app even half as good as the build in Google Nav app that comes built into every Andriod phone. The google nav app is lightyears ahead of Navigon, Tomtom and all the other third party apps out on the App Store. It's time Apple made a decent built in Navigation App to keep pace with Andriod in that regard, because the third parties are utterly failing at doing so.

They aren't doing any of this because the profits would shrink because of all the expenses they would incur doing all of the game changing things you want.
 
Smart business is keeping the customers happy, not locking them in due to previous purchases.

Smart business is staying ahead of the competition when you have the resources to do so, rather than letting the competition catch up and start to leave you behind in many areas, even when you have the money to make better products and prevent that from happening
 
Of course I'm talking about the +. Sorry I forgot to specify but I am talking about the Super AMOLED + displays that have been out on the market for almost an year now.

All of your criticisms are about the non + versions. The + version is what I'm referring to.

Those whoop on the IPS display in the iPhone, and every comparison says so.

It would give them a huge edge over the competition in terms of battery life and processing power.

Or hell, just go look at one if you don't believe me.

A 4" Super AMOLED + at 960x640 would be a drastic improvement over the current screen.

And my point about the nm is that Apple does not have to wait for Samsung to lower the nm. Apple has more than enough funds that they could keep pace with Intel and come out with 18nm ARM chips, exclusively available on iPhones many years before others start making them.

Also, given the funds Apple has, why have they released a navigation app even half as good as the build in Google Nav app that comes built into every Andriod phone. The google nav app is lightyears ahead of Navigon, Tomtom and all the other third party apps out on the App Store. It's time Apple made a decent built in Navigation App to keep pace with Andriod in that regard, because the third parties are utterly failing at doing so.

Oh, it just "whoops on the IPS display."
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Super-AMOLED-Plus-vs-Super-AMOLED-vs-Retina-Display_id18088
"There is this bluish hue that overcasts the AMOLED displays, and Super AMOLED Plus ones for that matter. Conversely, the IPS-LCD as found on the iPhone 4 manages to present us with somewhat more natural colors, although not as saturated and popping-out.

In the end, here's our summary: what we like more on the iPhone 4's IPS-LCD screen is its incredibly high resolution, natural-looking colors, as well as great outdoor and wide-angle visibility, with the latter being on par with Super AMOLED Plus. The Galaxy S II's Super AMOLED Plus however leaves its mark when it comes to awesome contrasts (these are contrasts, which are near complete awesomeness, by the way), as well as greatly-saturated colors, which can make even the most boring of images stand out."

Sure, that's a drastic improvement if I want less accurate colors. Sorry, I don't choose a device based purely on it's screen. The Retina display is awesome and I have no desire to change for a different screen tech.

Also, if you keep wanting a device with a smaller processor, you will never be satisfied. So if Apple had a 20nm, then you'd want an 18nm. Then you'd want something smaller. There is more to iPhone than hardware.
 
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"Those whoop on the IPS display in the iPhone, and every comparison says so."

Yup. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. It's fine to want what you want but when you just make stuff up it's obnoxious.

It's a joke that you would even complain about battery life while pining for an Android-like device. The battery issue on the 4S is a bug, on Android phones it's called...oh right an "Android phone".

It's hysterical to me that each successive iPhone launch is more successful than the last one yet people pop out of th woodwork claiming Apple is ignoring "what everyone wants."
 
Smart business is keeping the customers happy, not locking them in due to previous purchases.

Smart business is staying ahead of the competition when you have the resources to do so, rather than letting the competition catch up and start to leave you behind in many areas, even when you have the money to make better products and prevent that from happening

So you want Apple to make iPhone apps available on other platforms? That makes absolutely no sense. Smart business DOES lock customers in. It makes them repeat customers. Duh.

Apple is not behind, only to those who want unreleased technology. The competition is STILL not bringing in the profit that Apple does. Then, and only then, will they be truly behind. Until then, customers are still buying and profits are still increasing.
 
Also, if you keep wanting a device with a smaller processor, you will never be satisfied. So if Apple had a 20nm, then you'd want an 18nm. Then you'd want something smaller. There is more to iPhone than hardware.

Stop making assumptions.

I'm unhappy that Apple is still using 45nm chips, when Intel switched over to 32nm years ago, and are already at 22nm right now.

Apple should not be years behind a competitor that doesn't have anywhere near as much money.

But that's where apple stands, and the battery life of their phones are suffering for it.
 
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Battery life. Hahahhahahaha oh my god...
 
Stop making assumptions.

I'm unhappy that Apple is still using 45nm chips, when Intel switched over to 32nm years ago, and are already at 22nm right now.

Apple should not be years behind a competitor that doesn't have anywhere near as much money.

But that's where apple stands, and the battery life of their phones are suffering for it.
The battery life isn't suffering because of the chips. There is a minor software bug that affects some 4S users. I - and everyone else I know with a 4 - have had outstanding battery life with the 4. My brother switched to the 4S from a Droid. Guess what? His battery life is far better now.

And you're the one making assumptions that everyone wants a 4" screen.

The 45nm chips are still performing great. Intel is also not the competitor here. Intel doesn't make smartphones.

And I don't know what solution you're proposing for this "locking customers in problem." Should Apple create a 'switch to Android' program which will convert all your movies, tunes, and apps into Android friendly media? Honestly. Yes, you are getting locked in. If you didn't know that before purchasing through Apple, you were ignorant.
 
I don't understand all the bashing of the OP.

All he wants is longer battery life, larger and better display, native navigation app, and faster CPU.

I bet that's exactly what iPhone 5 will be. Yet everyone is bashing bashing bashing.

Leave Britney alone!!!!!!
 
So you want Apple to make iPhone apps available on other platforms? That makes absolutely no sense. Smart business DOES lock customers in. It makes them repeat customers. Duh.

Hell no. Where did I say Apple needs to make the apps available on Andriod.

All I said was that Apple should respect it's customers enough to continue to deliver cutting edge products, rather than sticking with old technologies that competitors have long since left behind.

When Apple's customers start to feel like they are being forced to buy an inferior product with inferior hardware than competitors, for no reason other than that they already invested too much into the Apple ecosystem, the company is doing something wrong.
 
I left an Android for the 4S and very happily. Those larger screens aren't that great and batter life is horrid!
 
Hell no. Where did I say Apple needs to make the apps available on Andriod.

All I said was that Apple should respect it's customers enough to continue to deliver cutting edge products, rather than sticking with old technologies that competitors have long since left behind.

When Apple's customers start to feel like they are being forced to buy an inferior product with inferior hardware than competitors, for no reason other than that they already invested too much into the Apple ecosystem, the company is doing something wrong.

You were complaining about being locked in...

Switch to Android, grab some free apps, and be done with it. The product is only inferior to those expecting unreleased tech or tech from other manufacturers which will never be on an iPhone. An iPhone 4S and even the 4 perform outstanding. If the product performs well, what more do you want?

Apple typically releases a new iPhone once a year. New hardware usually accompanies it. Boom, problem solved.
 
You're like those people who eat at a restaurant and then cry/b!tch/demand a refund because the food wasn't good enough. :(

What retailers call the dreaded high maintenance customer.

If you don't like the food, eat elsewhere or open your own restaurant.
 
Apple has always ignored what the customer "wanted". In fact they don't even bother to ask. There are many quotes floating around from Steve on that subject. This is a big part of what has made Apple so successful and judging by their recent launches, they seem to have gotten it right.

The majority of people (judging by sales numbers and satisfaction polls) are quite happy with the iPhone. Including the screen size.

If Apple gave everyone what they "wanted" we would have a touch screen with a slide out keyboard underneath it and 20 hardware buttons for every feature imaginable. Instead we have a beautiful device that does its job quite well.
 
You're like those people who eat at a restaurant and then cry/b!tch/demand a refund because the food wasn't good enough. :(

What retailers call the dreaded high maintenance customer.

If you don't like the food, eat elsewhere or open your own restaurant.
Exactly.
 
You're like those people who eat at a restaurant and then cry/b!tch/demand a refund because the food wasn't good enough. :(

What retailers call the dreaded high maintenance customer.

If you don't like the food, eat elsewhere or open your own restaurant.

I own a restaurant, I am more then happy to lose those kinds of customers. I appreciate every bit of business that I can get but some people are just not worth the aggravation. Everything is always horrible but they come in four times a week to eat. :rolleyes:
 
iPhones should be catering to customers with high expectations. They have in the past and should continue to do so now.

The iPhone and iPhone 3G was years beyond competitors in terms of touch capabilities.

The 3GS was an year beyond competitors in terms of ram, cpu, and gpu.

The iPhone 4 was an year beyond competitors in terms of screen resolution.

In what aspect is the 4s beyond competitors? It has a worse screen size, cpu clockspeed, ram, battery size and battery life than competitors. It's on par with them only in the areas of gpu and resoultion. But in most areas, it's actually behind others, not ahead.

You're like those people who eat at a restaurant and then cry/b!tch/demand a refund because the food wasn't good enough. :(
By your analogy, we should eat the crappy food without complaining.

I can't leave the restaurant as I already paid for the food (well over a $1000+ in app purchases etc).

If you're fine chowing down on crappy food without complaining, that's your choice. Yes, if you paid for a meal and it's crappy, then as a customer, you absolutely should let them know (especially if in the past, the food has always been top notch), and the restaurant should work on making fixing whatever led to the food being crappy in that instance.

The food/iPhones from apple have usually been very good. The 4S is the exception. It's the first time that Apple released a product that is not ahead of the competitors in any area what so ever, and behind it in several.
 
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In what aspect is the 4s beyond competitors? It has a worse screen size, cpu clockspeed, ram, battery size and battery life than competitors. It's on par with them only in the areas of gpu and resoultion. But in most areas, it's actually behind others, not ahead.

1. Bigger screen does not equal better screen. That is a personal preference. It is fine if that is what you prefer but claiming that smaller is not as good shows ignorance. I don't understand how some people can not comprehend that screen size is a personal preference.

2. The iPhone does not need as fast of a cpu or as much ram to accomplish the same thing as an Android phone. That is a fact, which you can find in many comparison tests.

3. Most people are not having an issue with the battery. I can got 2 days on a charge with light to moderate usage. The iPhone out performs most Android phones in terms of battery life. It does not need as big of a batter as many of them do to run for the same amount of time.

What are you actually doing for those 4.5 hours that your battery is going dead?
 
^ Continues to be in denial about the fact that Super AMOLED Plus is indeed better than IPS.
 
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You have more money than Intel and Samsung combined.

There is no excuse why the iPhone's CPU is built on 45nm while Intel with a much smaller amount of money is building everything on 22nm.

You're making a lot of assumptions. First of all, money isn't everything despite what you hear.

Having all the cash in the world will not give Apple the technologies that you want them to have or allow them to engineer the next revolution. It takes time and smart people. You can't throw money at a group of college students and expect them to build the next iPhone with hexacore CPUs, 8GB, 120GB and 2000x200 resolution screen in 6 months with the capability of producing 10 millions of the same device per 3 month schedule. It just doesn't happen, even if the fund is infinite, the resources and people aren't.

Apple does not build their own CPUs, they design it and then outsource manufacturing to the fabs. Apple certainly already have 22nm designs but they can't build it until the fabs have the technologies to build it at the globe scale. That is the biggest problems that Apple have, they have many designs they are experimenting but they can't build what is not possible right now. There are no Fabs that can produce what Apple needs at global scale, including AMOLED displays. There aren't enough supply to produce 10+ millions of AMOLED devices per quarter. Samsung also reserve their stocks for their own devices and they're already maxing out on AMOLEDs. In fact, there were a time when Samsung had to switch from AMOLEDs because they couldn't produce enough of it.

There were rumors that Apple wanted AMOLED displays a year ago but there were no fabs that could supply it in the reasonable timeframe that Apple needs. We'll certainly see something new in a few years but at the moment, AMOLED won't happen for a while.

At this moment, there are also no mass production 22nm processes for mobile ARM chips.

It doesn't matter how much money you have, without the experience, Apple can't just build several fabs and shrink a process down to 22nm and expect a good yield out of it on the first try. No fabs on the planet has a good yield at the moment with 22nm processes, Intel is just starting to get a lot of success and expect to go into mass production by the end of the year and sell it next year. It took Intel several years to do this, Apple won't do this in less than a year

It cost billions to just build one fab and cost several more billions just for R&D on new technologies to find a way to shrink down the process. Not to mention that they'd have to pay for the rights to do this since there are thousands of patents involved that Apple'd have to license from other fabs.

Apple can bankrupt themselves just trying to find a way to do this. Why would they do this when they can just wait for the fabs to do this and then switch to it?

Also, if Apple does everything you want, it will not be possible to even make any profits on their devices. The initial expense on just building everything out will cost tens of billions of dollars and will take several years to finish. They'll lose money on each device they'll make for the first few years before they'll start making some returns.

If Apple is willing to do this, they'll do it in parallel developments. Continue to make truckload of money and then re-invest their money into building the fabs but it'll take several years before they can produce their own stuff.

Also please give us a built in navigation app comparable to Googe's.

Apple bought a few companies specialized in this area already but it'll take them some time to come up with a better navigation system. They can't just steal what Google have already.

The same applies to screens. Please go to Super AMOLED Plus and 4" and use PowerVR Series 6 gpu and a Cortex a15 cpu.

There are no Cortex A15 CPU and the next-gen PowerVR series 6 CPU in mass production. Again, you're assuming everything is ready. Everything you're asking will happen but it'll take some time to get there. Money won't make it get there faster.

Also, not everybody agrees with AMOLED PLUS is the best display.

But now, the 4S at launch is behind competitors in terms of screen size, battery capacity, ram, cpu clockspeed and only on par with them in terms of gpu and screen resolution.

iPhone 4S is an evolution update, it's not designed to leapfrog the competition but to speed up the previous iPhone designs. Apple doesn't care about the competition, they're more focused on their own things. Right now, the internals in iPhone 4S is a huge jump from iPhone 4. The CPU and GPUs are the top contenders in those areas. Their GPU is the among the fastest on the market.

Screen size isn't always important. They won't switch to multiple devices just because there are a small group of people who prefer a 4" screen or 5" screen. Having 1 screen benefits everybody including developers who can program just for that specific screen. RAM size isn't important for most people, as it is more about how to optimize for the specific RAM. Throwing more RAM into it may encourage bad memory optimizations.

Battery capacity is about optimizations and also weight. Apple's still among the top in the market. Throwing more capacity without optimizing it will add more weight to the iPhone. iPhone 4S is already more heavy than the previous iPhone models by a few ounce.

That's not the Apple I know. And unfortunately, having already sunk well over a $1000 on Apps and iTunes purchases, I can't leave them for the better phones on the market either.

Unfortunately, that's life in the software/hardware world. Just like Windows users can't use their fav apps on Macs and Android apps can't be used on Apple devices.

Intel sunk some money into shrinking the diesize and moved past 45nms several years ago. Now they are going down to 18nm

No, they haven't. There are no mass production 18/22nm processes right now. Intel is starting to go into mass production for 22nm just now and expect to sell it starting early next year. Source: http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/silicon-innovations/intel-22nm-technology.html

Also, Intel didn't just sunk some money. You're making it sound like it is a simple task. Intel has decades of experience and the largest group of smart and dedicated engineers working on this and it took them several years to get from 45nm to 32nm and it also took them a few years to go down to 22nm. Apple have neither the experience and the resources to do this.

Also, Intel has nothing to do with Apple in this case. Intel failed to come up with technologies that competes with ARM CPUs. Apple's using ARM designs that are far more power efficient than Intel, which is the reason why all smartphones are using it.

Name one smartphone with Intel chips in it. Their 22nm processes that they are working on right now have absolutely nothing to do with mobile CPUs. It's designed for high power/TDPs CPUs that goes into computers and laptops.

With all of that in mind, what you're asking will happen in time, you have to be patient and to remember that while there are a few phones that are so much better than Apple's devices, they are limited to the current supply levels. They won't be able to outsell Apple with the same components.
 
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