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Apple Posts iPhone 4 Feature Video

skyehill said:
No it isn't, "ACE". Jailbreak your phone and you can video chat over ATT. Not a carrier issue at all. It's an Apple issue. And is it a carrier issue that limits this stupid thing to iPhone to iPhone only? Take off the fanboy hat.
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I'll tell you this right now, if Apple has the iPhone on Sprint, Sprint would say "no way" to video calling. You know why? It would cripple their network based on the number of iPhones 4's that will be sold.

It IS the carriers because they are afraid of how MANY iPhones will be using the feature. EVO can simply because they know that EVO won't sell nearly as many phones as the iPhone.

It's all marketing folks. Use business sense here. If AT&T physically could, don't you think they would? It would be a huge sell for them. But it would cripple the network.

iPhone will sell 10's of MILLIONS. EVO won't. Get over it.

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Reed Rothchild said:
Looks like the whole "iChat" thing all over again. Shame that 95% of the Internet population that you may want to call don't have iChat or an iPhone 4. If Apple really are into open standards then they need to try a bit harder.
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Maybe you missed the part where they said they are gonna work on having this standardized?

I wish the whiners at least bothered to read up on the thing they were gonna whining about.
 
I used to like it but now I'm quite frankly starting to get pissed with the iPhone glorification they do in those videos........ Yes iVe, it's just another product, mkay?

Video calling? pfffffff, I could do that on my Nokia long long time ago. And could do it over any connectivity.

How about implementing something useful, like say a built in SIP support? Mass Storage support, more alarm options, make bluetooth actually useful, free navigation, what about that Apple?




On the other hand, I understand who Apple markets and targets: people who are clueless or/and don't care to know about the phones and their technology and want something flashy that works that they can show off to their friends. If Apple can't provide lag free "facetime" on 3G they will disallow it and enable when they release a 4G device... so considering their target audience it's understandable.
 
Vitruviux said:
On the other hand, I understand who Apple markets and targets: people who are clueless or/and don't care to know about the phones and their technology and want something flashy that works that they can show off to their friends. If Apple can't provide lag free "facetime" on 3G they will disallow it and enable when they release a 4G device... so considering their target audience it's understandable.
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Has nothing to do with Apple, it's all about how much load the carriers will experience with millions of iPhones doing video chat. Sounds like you are the clueless one.

Sprint wouldn't be able to handle the iPhone's data load. Even without the video chat of the iPhone. PERIOD.
 
I am SO EXCITED right now, all packed with adrenaline!!!! The keynote was great and I can′t wait to have the new iPhone. Bravo, Apple! :):):)
 
Why oh why Apple make such great product that I want. Yet, license it with the worst partner in the world. ATT:mad:
 
I'm really disappointed in Sam Mendes. The spot is really good, but that whole first scene... they keep cutting back and forth between the man on the bed and then his view of his phone - one shot he's holding it portrait and the other landscape! My wife and I hate noticing bad editing like that. I guess with commercials you don't have enough people paying attention.
 
Vitruviux said:
I used to like it but now I'm quite frankly starting to get pissed with the iPhone glorification they do in those videos........ Yes iVe, it's just another product, mkay?

Video calling? pfffffff, I could do that on my Nokia long long time ago. And could do it over any connectivity.

How about implementing something useful, like say a built in SIP support? Mass Storage support, more alarm options, make bluetooth actually useful, free navigation, what about that Apple?




On the other hand, I understand who Apple markets and targets: people who are clueless or/and don't care to know about the phones and their technology and want something flashy that works that they can show off to their friends. If Apple can't provide lag free "facetime" on 3G they will disallow it and enable when they release a 4G device... so considering their target audience it's understandable.
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There is free navigation. It's called App store.

It's people like you who are clueless. Guess what? Features that aren't accessible are not features at all.

As mentioned, phones had browsers for years, but no one use them because they don't work very well.
 
ethana said:
Has nothing to do with Apple, it's all about how much load the carriers will experience with millions of iPhones doing video chat. Sounds like you are the clueless one.

Sprint wouldn't be able to handle the iPhone's data load. Even without the video chat of the iPhone. PERIOD.
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I think you need to take some reading comprehension classes.

I know the carriers won't handle it but would would Apple limit it? Allow it anyway, AT&T is not the only carrier in the world.
 
Consultant said:
There is free navigation. It's called App store.

It's people like you who are clueless. Guess what? Features that aren't accessible are not features at all.

As mentioned, phones had browsers for years, but no one use them because they don't work very well.
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Yes, half assed free navigation, how about downloading maps that you want, like Nokia does?

...... Apple fan boys, next thing you're going to be telling me is that Apple's "multitasking" is the best thing ever..... check out Nokia N8's videos for some real multitasking.
 
Data useage

The only concern I have with the webcam feature is data useage since At&t is no longer unlimited and they have put caps on data useage, so those type of calls if you exceed your data per month will get very expensive!
 
Vitruviux said:
I think you need to take some reading comprehension classes.

I know the carriers won't handle it but would would Apple limit it? Allow it anyway, AT&T is not the only carrier in the world.
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Because Apple likes to make products that actually work. Everyone would get pissed if the video chat was enabled but most carriers couldn't handle the traffic, and this would result in less sales of the iPhone because of bad user experience and word of mouth, even though the REAL blame would be on the carriers. Now why would a company who is trying to make money do this to themselves?

Use logic instead of relying on fanboy instincts and emotions to run your arguments.
 
NitroBiz said:
The only concern I have with the webcam feature is data useage since At&t is no longer unlimited and they have put caps on data useage, so those type of calls if you exceed your data per month will get very expensive!
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it's wi-fi only.

arn
 
Do any of these characters ever change their clothes? Forstall is always in some spacey-looking black thing, then there's the bald guy in the grey t-shirt... And of course there's the black turtleneck with jeans...

Is this planned? Are these guys told to get out their outfits every time a new product video is made? Ha ha. It's pretty funny...
 
addicted44 said:
You can, but no one did!

That is the point. Despite Skype, how many people do you see video-chatting over their cellphones? I promise you that number is gonna increase substantially in 1 year.

The reason is that it was a pain in the *ss. Just like browsing the internet on the phone before. There were many phones which had browsers (Blackberries, Nokias, Samsungs, LGs) but no one used them because they were pathetic and the carriers provided you with terrible plans.
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It's not pain in the ass. On any halfway recent phone (except Iphone) you go to you contact list, choose the contact and choose "video call". How is that pain in the ass? It's not at all uncommon in Europe (and probably in many countries in Asia) to have people doing video calls to show what's the place like where they are. Or if there's a performance, people call their friends and show what's going on.

From the point of view of someone living outside the US, marketing "this changes everything" to sell mobile video calling feature seems pathetic.
 
Vitruviux said:
I used to like it but now I'm quite frankly starting to get pissed with the iPhone glorification they do in those videos........ Yes iVe, it's just another product, mkay?

Video calling? pfffffff, I could do that on my Nokia long long time ago. And could do it over any connectivity.

How about implementing something useful, like say a built in SIP support? Mass Storage support, more alarm options, make bluetooth actually useful, free navigation, what about that Apple?

On the other hand, I understand who Apple markets and targets: people who are clueless or/and don't care to know about the phones and their technology and want something flashy that works that they can show off to their friends. If Apple can't provide lag free "facetime" on 3G they will disallow it and enable when they release a 4G device... so considering their target audience it's understandable.
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how bout you spew your vomit in a more constructive way. such as in yer lap after ur done reading up on existing facts. mmm k?
 
ethana said:
Because Apple likes to make products that actually work. Everyone would get pissed if the video chat was enabled but most carriers couldn't handle the traffic, and this would result in less sales of the iPhone because of bad user experience and word of mouth, even though the REAL blame would be on the carriers. Now why would a company who is trying to make money do this to themselves?

Use logic instead of relying on fanboy instincts and emotions to run your arguments.
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Dude, that was exactly my point, that's why I said, that I understand the reason for Apple's limiting of ChatRoulette thing.
 
skyehill said:
No it isn't, "ACE". Jailbreak your phone and you can video chat over ATT. Not a carrier issue at all. It's an Apple issue. And is it a carrier issue that limits this stupid thing to iPhone to iPhone only? Take off the fanboy hat.
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It can’t be an Apple issue if no other carrier or cellphone maker has done it in a widespread adoption method. It’s people like you, who jailbreak their iPhones, that cause AT&T some concern over letting this feature run wild on their networks. Right now it’s only a handful that do jailbreak, so it’s not an issue, but that’s not to say that Apple hasn’t tried to get you off the network in order to increase stability of the network (or as AT&T would have it anyway). You can bet every Tom, Dick, and Harry will be scrambling to use FaceTime as soon as all of their friends get an iPhone 4. In other words, Apple isn’t reinventing iChat. Apple is reinventing how we use the feature...on our phones.

Take off your dunce cap.
 
The design is a bit 1990-ish square, and the front still looks the same with a lot of screen real estate hogged. But I'll reserve judgment. If I could do better, I'd have a phone out or I'd be an engineer at Apple, contributing to the technology I'd like implemented rather than complaining online about what it doesn't have. For now, I'll just upgrade to this one and be happy. I'm already happy with the iPhone 3GS.

Despite complaints, most phones are following the iPhone's lead. So watch them now change their models to further copy this one and call their devices the "iPhone killer" while copying the iPhone's technology and marketing style (eg. Android).
 
sjo said:
In reality it's the rest of the world that has had mobile video call for 5 years. It's the US that is lagging behind.
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As I stated in another thread, video calling is lame. It's been in the uk for years (6 years+) and not many people use it regardless of how seamless the process is or how good the signal strength/quality of network are.

I'm getting this despite FaceTime, not because of it. It doesn't interest me and everyone I know who has a front camera has never used it for video calling. Unlike in the US where users with wifi and iOS4 can only take advantage of this new feature, in the UK you can use different 3G networks to video call someone and don't have to rely on wifi or something equally limiting.
 
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