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Apple Posts iPhone 4 Feature Video
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Everything you say is correct. It seems in some parts of the world this is seen as "magical" or "game changing". In reality, it's finally catching up with the cheapest candybar phones that have been available practically across the globe for 6 years or more. Actually, it's not even catching up. The limitations are going to make it the same "success story" as iChat. Maybe Apple are trying to create a subculture of users wallowing in iphone-to-iphone communications. Once they ring fence such users they can exploit them for every nickel and dime. That Steve Jobs sure knows how to milk that cash cow!
Yeah, in fact I don't think they really promote video calling anymore as it doesn't sell phones.
i don't understand all the arguing about the video calls:
first, it's not new, second, it's limited to wi-fi. third, will not spread worldwide. wi-fi spots are very limited across the globe. the globe isn't just the US
video chat is for the confort of your home. i could easily see this on the iPad, not in a phone, it's useless. we use our phones on the go, at the street, with bad lighting conditions, background noises, it will be a terrible experience. that's a fact.
i'm more intrigate about that retina display. i'm really hoping to get my hands on one of those. yeah!
first, it's not new, second, it's limited to wi-fi. third, will not spread worldwide. wi-fi spots are very limited across the globe. the globe isn't just the US
video chat is for the confort of your home. i could easily see this on the iPad, not in a phone, it's useless. we use our phones on the go, at the street, with bad lighting conditions, background noises, it will be a terrible experience. that's a fact.
i'm more intrigate about that retina display. i'm really hoping to get my hands on one of those. yeah!
MP3 players are lame. They've been around for years and not many people use them regardless of how seamless the process is or how good the sound quality/convenience are.
same old same old, all over again.
it is funny these threads haven't changed since the first iPod. Everyone piles in saying how it isn't new, it isn't original, such-and-such already makes "blah" that does this...
...and a year later everyone and their dog owns the Apple version, and all the also ran companies are making iKnock-offs.
At which point Apple releases version X.x of said product, and we loop back to point one again.
I give it 3 months before all the Android phones are being marketed as "a better screen than the iPhone 4" and the average tech article is a new usability study showing that it isn't.
BTW, for all those complaining about how FaceTime doesn't matter, everyone has had that for years, and usability and simplicity don't mean anything? My sister in-law is stuck in a verizon contract, and can't get an iPhone, so she bought the latest Droid also ran thursday. Saturday we watched her try to make a call and send a text for a full 30 minutes. User friendly, that phone is. Like a nuclear submarine.
They don't say it so much anymore, but Apple just works. I can hand anyone I have ever met my iPhone or iPad and 10 minutes later they know it as well as I do. That sells. People don't need more complex useless ****. They need things that work. And they are learning that Apple provides.
Like the iPad, they are going to be minting money with this thing...
it is funny these threads haven't changed since the first iPod. Everyone piles in saying how it isn't new, it isn't original, such-and-such already makes "blah" that does this...
...and a year later everyone and their dog owns the Apple version, and all the also ran companies are making iKnock-offs.
At which point Apple releases version X.x of said product, and we loop back to point one again.
I give it 3 months before all the Android phones are being marketed as "a better screen than the iPhone 4" and the average tech article is a new usability study showing that it isn't.
BTW, for all those complaining about how FaceTime doesn't matter, everyone has had that for years, and usability and simplicity don't mean anything? My sister in-law is stuck in a verizon contract, and can't get an iPhone, so she bought the latest Droid also ran thursday. Saturday we watched her try to make a call and send a text for a full 30 minutes. User friendly, that phone is. Like a nuclear submarine.
They don't say it so much anymore, but Apple just works. I can hand anyone I have ever met my iPhone or iPad and 10 minutes later they know it as well as I do. That sells. People don't need more complex useless ****. They need things that work. And they are learning that Apple provides.
Like the iPad, they are going to be minting money with this thing...
Pa-the-tic
That kind of video conference was available years ago. Even the first phones without front facing camera where doing it with the back facing camera.
And the best of all, it worked with 3G networks. No wifi, no passwords, no captive portals to bypass. Just think of a friend, and video call him.
Now they sell video conference and multitasking. For sure it will change iphone users, but not Symbian or Android that were enjoying Spotify while browsing the web.
I wan't to see their marketing in Europe
That kind of video conference was available years ago. Even the first phones without front facing camera where doing it with the back facing camera.
And the best of all, it worked with 3G networks. No wifi, no passwords, no captive portals to bypass. Just think of a friend, and video call him.
Now they sell video conference and multitasking. For sure it will change iphone users, but not Symbian or Android that were enjoying Spotify while browsing the web.
I wan't to see their marketing in Europe
I smell a new patent application, that's one feature we could all appreciate
I personally like the mars-rover style system where a bunch of airbags blow up and the thing just smoothly bounces around. They should totally build that into iPhone cases.
No. MP3 players were released and was popular. Video chat was also released, and wasn't popular.
First, I have designed several video conference systems in the past so I consider myself qualified to comment on this.
Have you seen the quality of overseas video calling? In a style SJ would say, "Well ... it sucks." Mobile video calling has been test marketed in the USA for over ten years. The issue is that the American public has a very high standard of a video conference resolution and screen refresh rate that they would pay for general use. That is why it never came into the states, only dweebs would buy it not making it worth it for the carriers.
What you seen in Europe and Asia can best be called "postage stamp" or "flash card" video conferencing if you have low resolution or slow screen refresh rate. (Bring it on overseas types and your dog food, monopoly networks.)
This is the first decent quality video conferencing mobile app that will be used by people worth seeing in a video conference. It will also keep the geek and dweebs away and a new social crowd rushing into this technology -- and I don't care if they designed it, I don't buy a car for the social skills of the automotive engineer either.
Just a matter of time before Boxxy gets a sponsorship using this if her college tuition isn't paid for yet. Heck, she keeps it up and she won't need college.
Waiting for the thread bitching about not being able to use it on a 3G network in 3 ... 2 ...
Just have to rely on phones with crappy user interfaces. The same reason no other features on cell phones were used before the iPhone.
Plenty of cell phones had plenty of features before the iPhone and NOBODY used them because the UIs on the phones sucked so bad that it was impossible for anyone to actually use them...
So wait and see and you will be astonished how many UK people end up using face time as opposed to some 6 year old video chat on some horrible phone UI from the past.
Most cell phones had cameras before the iPhone, but almost nobody used them with any regularity.... Same will happen with Face Time. it is easy to use, you just hit a single button on the contract screen.
People making these comparisons and taking about how the rest of the world has this stuff and it is no big deal are dreaming... Wait and see...
What exactly has changed again? Obviously the love affair with AT&T hasn't.
So should I wait for a Verizon Iphone or not? My AT&Crap contract is about to expire, and if this phone isn't able to work on a 4G network, and keeps making noise when next to my electronic audio equipment, and continues to drop calls, I don't think I want to sign up for two more years of AT&T's lousy service. Why does Apple do this on every major release. They put out just enough to make your mouth water, Imovie, two cameras video chatting, HD video, great screen, but never fully completes the package. I just don't want to get stuck for two more years on AT&T if another carrier picks up the iphone in a few months, and may allow 4G, video calling not on wifi, tethering, unlimited data.
So should I wait for a Verizon Iphone or not? My AT&Crap contract is about to expire, and if this phone isn't able to work on a 4G network, and keeps making noise when next to my electronic audio equipment, and continues to drop calls, I don't think I want to sign up for two more years of AT&T's lousy service. Why does Apple do this on every major release. They put out just enough to make your mouth water, Imovie, two cameras video chatting, HD video, great screen, but never fully completes the package. I just don't want to get stuck for two more years on AT&T if another carrier picks up the iphone in a few months, and may allow 4G, video calling not on wifi, tethering, unlimited data.
Yeah just like how awesome phones were before the iPhone.
All bark and no bite. Please spare us that the rest of the world has had sucky video chat capable phones. That is irrelevant. Europe had phones capable of all kinds of things before the iPhone and almost nobody used any of that stuff either, because the phones and their UIs sucked/still suck.
I can count all the high quality Mobile User Interfaces made in the rest of the world on no fingers.
Dude, and to counter-burst your bubble. While it is cliche, it is an Apple product, that is enough of a game changer right there. Like to see your opinion on this in six months.
That kind of video conference was available years ago. Even the first phones without front facing camera where doing it with the back facing camera.
And the best of all, it worked with 3G networks. No wifi, no passwords, no captive portals to bypass. Just think of a friend, and video call him.
Now they sell video conference and multitasking. For sure it will change iphone users, but not Symbian or Android that were enjoying Spotify while browsing the web.
I wan't to see their marketing in Europe
Their marketing in Europe had better be different. It will also be interesting how they demo this in Apple stores here in the UK, I bet they'll not even make a big deal about FaceTime.
Get an old 3G nokia for example and you can pretty much video call with anyone who has a 3G phone.
Oh no wait, sorry....this is Video chat done 'right', which is fast becoming a way for Apple to 'convince' people into a purchase.
No lol.
Video chat has always been:
Contacts -> Choose SMS/Voice call/Video call ...from one screen.
That's it. It just wasn't popular. People just cba to voice call out in public because you have to hold the phone in front of your face like a goat. Fine occassionally, but not popularly.
If they release a video chat revolutionary advert in Europe there will be tears of laughter. I literally cringed all through that iPhone 4 video.
I bet the English use Face Time more than anyone else.
You are being ridiculous. Because a phone was capable of doing something 6 years ago is irrelevant.
People didn't use it not because they didn't want to voice chat, they didn't use it, because it sucked or was a pain in the backside to use.
I guess nobody uses iPhones in England at all eh?
I'll be shocked if this took off in the states, I really would. Even if video calling doesn't carry a slightly higher charge in 2011, It will be interesting to see how much its used. I guarantee this iPhone will be a success, that much is obvious and I'm not saying anything different. It sure will be interesting to see how FaceTime develops.
I'll be putting my pre-order in.
I've never had any problems using it, it's unbelievably simple. You could say it's....magically simple.
Seriously, you press a button. That's it...it's the same as making a voice call.
I smell a new patent application, that's one feature we could all appreciate
I personally like the mars-rover style system where a bunch of airbags blow up and the thing just smoothly bounces around. They should totally build that into iPhone cases.
Been done. Saw the working prototype. Unfortunately, there have been too many false deployments during testing that made it a consumer liability issue.
I think the impact reactive, hyper-gaseous silicone (IRHGS) membranes have more promise. That stuff is fun to see cat's play around with for fun!
I started writing a response that was apropos to your claims, until it became clear that you're quite obviously not an expert on video conferencing systems - certainly in a global context. Nice try at trolling though!
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Every single post I've ever seen from you is just bashing apple, usually the iPhone. You don't like the iPhone - we get it. But you need to realize that this site is by and for people who use and like apple's products. Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but you're basically just here to start fights and call people idiots.
Personally, I will not use video chat, and I think it's silly they're making such a big deal out of it. (btw, all the people saying how it's lame that it's only between iPhones, I agree. I just hope you've been saying the same about blackberry messenger.) however, saying "it's been on other phones for years" really misses the point. Apple does things in ways that make the average person want to use them. Whoever said mp3 player got it just right. Yes there were mp3 players before the iPod, and they enjoyed moderate success. But they were pretty well getting killed by cd players, and they were a niche, techie item. Apple made the mp3 player cool, fun, and easy for the average person.
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Every single post I've ever seen from you is just bashing apple, usually the iPhone. You don't like the iPhone - we get it. But you need to realize that this site is by and for people who use and like apple's products. Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but you're basically just here to start fights and call people idiots.
Personally, I will not use video chat, and I think it's silly they're making such a big deal out of it. (btw, all the people saying how it's lame that it's only between iPhones, I agree. I just hope you've been saying the same about blackberry messenger.) however, saying "it's been on other phones for years" really misses the point. Apple does things in ways that make the average person want to use them. Whoever said mp3 player got it just right. Yes there were mp3 players before the iPod, and they enjoyed moderate success. But they were pretty well getting killed by cd players, and they were a niche, techie item. Apple made the mp3 player cool, fun, and easy for the average person.