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Comments like this keep missing the boat. The first Vision product is "Pro" for a reason. It's not targeting the average consumer. The Meta Quest products are not its direct competitors.

Apple is just getting started...
The thing is, in order for this to be mass we’d need it in a glass like or whatever form factor.

The problem is that it’s going to take a very, very long time to get there. Kind of a 10 years time.

It’s an hardware problem, not software or “conceptual”.
A black and white TV was “mass” appealing from the start, the appeal of AR is totally linked to the hardware form factor. If the VPro was a third of the price it still would not be mass appealing, the problem being not the software but the hardware usability.
 
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We clearly have different memories. The VP has been roundly mocked since its release. The iPhone, iPad, and Apple Watch were not.

To be fair to Apple there were smart phones, tablets and watches before Apple arrived on the scene. I know there were goggles before the AVP, but it is an order of magnitude more complex. At it's price point, with limited functionality and very sparse content, it's an easy target for mockery. Time will tell.
 
Comments like this keep missing the boat. The first Vision product is "Pro" for a reason. It's not targeting the average consumer. The Meta Quest products are not its direct competitors.

Apple is just getting started...

I don't think I'm missing anything. I get this is the first version of the device but I just think consumers don't wan't to wear goggles for what this offers and I actually think if this device had come out first before we had phones and laptops we would be like "wow, I'm so glad we don't have to wear that thing on our head anymore and can have these other devices instead".

Like, imagine someone going. Can you believe we had to wear this thing on our face to surf the web, now I can actually share my laptop screen with my partner when I want to show her something instead of taking the goggles off and placing them on her head.

The entire idea of this product is in my mind, flawed. Would be great if it was a handheld device that created holograms in actual space but we're decades from that.
 
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The comments here regarding AVP pretty much dovetail with comments back when iPod/iPhone/Watch were released.

Not surprised at all; rather, expected.

You say that about every Vision Pro comment. But it isn’t true. Those three products were successful at launch. Not as successful as Apple may have wanted but successful none the less. The Vision is a different matter. It didn’t experience any hype. There was never a moment when it was sold out at stores. You don’t see people wearing them. The only people talking about it are Apple fans.

The Vision launch was a failure. Will the product ultimately fail? We don’t know yet but all signs point to “yes.” It isn’t an iPod or an iPhone that anyone can pick up and start using in a few seconds. It isn’t a wrist watch like you’ve been wearing your whole life that just happens to also be a little iPhone. It’s goggles. Most people don’t want to wear goggles. They just don’t. The whole history of consumer VR shows this. Gamers use it. Some enterprise applications exist. But general consumers have absolutely no desire to wear goggles. Especially goggles that have to be custom fitted, may need prescription inserts, can only be used by one person at a time and can not be shared with others without additional hardware.

So let’s go ahead and put that silly and false defense to rest. Vision isn’t an iPhone, an iPod or an Apple Watch. That comparison is bogus.
 
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And a sky's-the-limt AR applications for a wide variety of commercial/industrial/medical/educational/architectural/etc. applications.

And loads of consumer possibilities. I'm looking forward to exploring the caves in Lascaux, France to walk among the cave paintings dating back 15,000 years. And maybe running a San Francisco Marathon with 25,000 other runners.

It takes just a wee bit of imagination.
Working on them now👍
 
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Comments like this keep missing the boat. The first Vision product is "Pro" for a reason. It's not targeting the average consumer. The Meta Quest products are not its direct competitors.

Apple is just getting started...

You mean like AirPods Pro aren’t targeted at average consumers?

Let’s be real.

“Pro” is a marketing term not a descriptor.

For “average consumers” there’s no difference between the Vision and the Quest so yes, they are in direct competition. But that doesn’t mean what you think it does. Competition suggests a large customer base that wants VR. But that customer base is actually so small that no VR platform from any company has been successful.

And as to Apple “just getting started,” that depends on the success of the product. But Apple did not set the product up to succeed. They didn’t demonstrate a compelling use case. They didn’t offer or even point the way towards a killer app for it. They barely marketed it at all. So no, I don’t think they’re “just getting started.” More likely they’re working out how to quietly kill it and move on to something “average consumers” actually want to buy.
 
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It's likely that we're far away from a time where the masses embrace and adopt VR because VR just isn't advanced enough and won't be anytime soon. I suspect Apple will increasingly shift to marketing the Vision Pro towards businesses that can increase their efficiency by utilizing it.
 
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Im guesing 4000 €

The new base model 11" iPad Pro costs $999 in the US. In most European countries, it starts at €1229 (including VAT). The often typical +20% difference would set the starting price of AVP around €4199 in the EU.
 
Wow! Devilish Apple distracting us from quietly killing a product by working to sell it in more countries! Is there no end to their depravity?!

Snarky comments don’t prove anything. Apple can’t just turn on a dime and they don’t want to spook investors any further than they already have. But sure. Go ahead and reduce it to absurdity and claim a win.
 
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Snarky comments don’t prove anything. Apple can’t just turn on a dime and they don’t want to spook investors any further than they already have. But sure. Go ahead and reduce it to absurdity and claim a win.

YOU don't like snarky comments LOL.. ummm "But sure. Go ahead and reduce it to absurdity and claim a win."

Contradicting yourself doesnt help make your point. So... just what IS apple's plan for quieting killing the product that wont spook investors? Let's try to sell in more markets and fail there too (if you believe what you read here?). Sorry takes zero time to not hold costly training that no one knew was going to happen and to not schedule a release date that wasn't already announced. That's not turning on a dime. That's good business sense, if what you keep claiming is true. And very very quiet.

but sure, fight snark with snark. well done!
 
We clearly have different memories. The VP has been roundly mocked since its release. The iPhone, iPad, and Apple Watch were not.

iPod: “Who asked for a thousand songs in your pocket?” (Mocking Steve Jobs iPod introduction on stage.)

iPhone: A non-mechanical keyboard mobile phone will never sell.

iPad: It’s just a big iPhone.

Watch: If I want to know the time I’ll just look at my iPhone.

And on and on and on.
 
Apple's incredible ProMotion display technology is really expensive. It doesn't make sense to put this into a budget-friendly device at the cost of other things iPad Air users love. Most people can't tell the difference, although we techies can easily see it.

Getting the price down to a truly remarkable $599 requires some compromises. One of the chunkiest items when taking things iPads Pros to the iPads Airs is the display cost. So going with a gorgeous 60hz panel is an amazing place to start given what I wrote in the previous paragraph.

Yes, you are right - Apple seeks to make profit.
iPad Air isn’t a budget device.
 
That’s odd, I don’t remember the comments about the iPod/iPhone/Apple Watch being this brutal whatsoever.
The Watch is the best comparison out of these three. The $20,000 gold watch was insane and Apple had no clue where it wanted to go with the weird Digital Touch heartbeat feature and super creepy emojis. People were critical of all that. Apple later axed these features and focussed on health above everything else.

That's where the AVP is right now, hoping that someone can find a killer feature for it and give it a direction. And it's going to be tough because games and porn are out.

I also doubt that Apple wants to make it a mostly professional tool. Sure doctors could use it for precise tele-whatever, but at that point you have already given up on the "era of spatial computing".
 
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iPod: “Who asked for a thousand songs in your pocket?” (Mocking Steve Jobs iPod introduction on stage.)

iPhone: A non-mechanical keyboard mobile phone will never sell.

iPad: It’s just a big iPhone.

Watch: If I want to know the time I’ll just look at my iPhone.

And on and on and on.
The claim was the criticisms were the same.

The magnitude of negative comments made about the watch, iphone, and ipod were not in the same universe as those made about the VP pre/post release. No history rewrite.
 
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