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The gold Apple Watch was never intended to be sold to the general public as a product.

Rather it was part a brilliant marketing campaign to introduce Watch to the public. The media/TV coverage and product buzz Apple snagged of the gold Watch was priceless. Sure, Apple sold a small number to celebrities and similar people, but that was never the intent.
 
Again, the “potential” of AR is blindingly obvious, that’s not the point. Also the “potential” of teleportation is blindingly obvious.
But we’re many years far from having the tech that is needed to realize that potential.
Yes the tech is here now (albeit in a clunky dev form). However it’s like creating for the www in 1995 so you are getting the equivalent rather than the 2024 web version. I imagine this will accelerate massively in the near future.
 
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Launching a product in test phase is certainly new for Apple. I assume they want developers to discover the killer apps while getting cashed-up Apple users to pay for the R&D while they plug away at developing version 2.0 - a much lighter cheaper version using AI priced at iPhone Pro Max levels would be ideal where the benefits as a user are immediately obvious.

A wider global launch while US currency is at all time highs is not ideal for such a pricey gadget (it will only be more expensive outside the US)
 
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The Watch is the best comparison out of these three. The $20,000 gold watch was insane and Apple had no clue where it wanted to go with the weird Digital Touch heartbeat feature and super creepy emojis. People were critical of all that. Apple later axed these features and focussed on health above everything else.

The expensive Edition Apple Watch was aimed at a target market that routinely spends far MORE on luxury wrist watches. The issue wasn’t the price. The issue was Apple misunderstanding what that market segment actually wants. So they killed the Edition to focus on the “regular” version.

That's where the AVP is right now, hoping that someone can find a killer feature for it and give it a direction. And it's going to be tough because games and porn are out.

Vision isn’t in that same situation. There was already a use case for devices on your wrist. Fitbit proved that. All Apple did was make the watch more of a Fitbit.

I also doubt that Apple wants to make it a mostly professional tool. Sure doctors could use it for precise tele-whatever, but at that point you have already given up on the "era of spatial computing".

Apple doesn’t generally cater to enterprise markets with the exception of creative professionals. I don’t know any creative professionals who have any interest in Vision. That’s why it’s like the Apple Watch Edition. No one wanted it either because Apple misunderstood the target market.
 
YOU don't like snarky comments LOL.. ummm "But sure. Go ahead and reduce it to absurdity and claim a win."

Contradicting yourself doesnt help make your point. So... just what IS apple's plan for quieting killing the product that wont spook investors? Let's try to sell in more markets and fail there too (if you believe what you read here?). Sorry takes zero time to not hold costly training that no one knew was going to happen and to not schedule a release date that wasn't already announced. That's not turning on a dime. That's good business sense, if what you keep claiming is true. And very very quiet.

but sure, fight snark with snark. well done!

This is a good example of unintentional irony.

Instead of forcing it to be a personal squabble so that you can (presumably) report some posts and try to get people banned, maybe you should stick to the topic?

And no, I don’t contradict myself. You just completely missed the sarcasm.
 
iPod: “Who asked for a thousand songs in your pocket?” (Mocking Steve Jobs iPod introduction on stage.)

iPhone: A non-mechanical keyboard mobile phone will never sell.

iPad: It’s just a big iPhone.

Watch: If I want to know the time I’ll just look at my iPhone.

And on and on and on.

Shifting goalposts doesn’t make this false argument valid. Your defense fails because your comparison is bogus.
 
I wouldn’t dare buy this without an M4 now. Or a major price cut, like 2k.
 
Really, the only thing holding back the VisonPro from being the next iPhone trillion dollar product is its price.

Get it down below $1000 and you'll see all sorts of amazing apps developed for it.
 
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Apple's incredible ProMotion display technology is really expensive. It doesn't make sense to put this into a budget-friendly device at the cost of other things iPad Air users love. Most people can't tell the difference, although we techies can easily see it.

Getting the price down to a truly remarkable $599 requires some compromises. One of the chunkiest items when taking things iPads Pros to the iPads Airs is the display cost. So going with a gorgeous 60hz panel is an amazing place to start given what I wrote in the previous paragraph.

Yes, you are right - Apple seeks to make profit.
ProMotion is just a fancy name for a variable refresh rate display, you know something I can buy on most screens these days for cheap, it's not an expensive exclusive technology. 60Hz on the devices that Apple charge for is a damn crime.
 
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1. I’m pretty sure Apple is targeting anyone who they can persuade to buy it…cash or credit.
Sure, but they're not pretending that they expect to sell it in iPhone quantities. So the people who pretend that it's a failure because it doesn't sell in iPhone quantities seem silly.

2. Who releases a product they don’t expect to sell?
I don't know. Who?

Apple expected the Vision Pro to sell. It did sell. Now they're releasing it in different markets where they expect it to sell. They're not saying how many units they expect to sell, so it's up to you to speculate that they're bitterly disappointed in the sales, or that they're thrilled at the numbers, or that the numbers were about what they expected.

3. Who buys a product only because it will be better in the future?
I don't know. Who? Maybe that's a question for Indigogo.

I didn't buy Apple Vision Pro ONLY because it will be better in the future. I bought it for what I expected it to do starting on Day 1, AND for what it will be able to do in the future.
 
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AVP will be THE thing when (and if) it will be able to share spatial experiences among multiple AVP

It will be THE new videogame experience, Pokémon Go will be history then

Also for business stuff

It is limited, due to its single user mode, to only a few use cases (mostly b2b and multimedia consumption)
 
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I'm guessing for us n Australia Vision Pro with be $6-7000 dollars and after the rave reviews, I'll pass.

Thanks anyway Timmy, but if you haven't had a look around at the world right now, things aren't in a good way especially in terms of petrol and grocery prices, not that you'd know how much a litre of milk costs.

Also, thanks for putting the iPad Pro prices up in Australia, Apple truly are the only company that can get away with putting prices up in the current financial climate.

So altruistic of you and way to go bridging that gap that just keeps getting wider between the rich and the poor🙄.
Apple prices are based on Exchange Rates and GST. Often Sales Tax isnt listed in US prices.

I much preferred ten years ago when we had dollar parity not 66 cents.
But thats where we are it seems.
The politics of why we are there are maybe for another day...

The Apple Vision Pro should start at $5499 I would imagine (inc GST).
 
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The claim was the criticisms were the same.

The magnitude of negative comments made about the watch, iphone, and ipod were not in the same universe as those made about the VP pre/post release. No history rewrite.
The iPad was cruelly mocked for it's name and and not doing anything unique by almost every Tech reporter.
A year later, after it's success, they oddly were very quiet.

Apple getting into phones was laughed off. They dont have any experience in that area! Ha. Android was a much different before iPhone came along.

iPod only took after after Windows users could access it.
How many millions did they sell? And hook people on the walled garden so much the EU cant say monopoly so use "gatekeeper" instead.

This is a version 1 product.
It's expensive.
It has tech overload.
It's designed to see what works for people and what doesn't.
You can be part of the experiment or not.
But whatever this morphs into, you can thank the early adopters for buying and using this.
 
Good to know about this. Hopefully even more countries will be getting it before the year end.
 
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The claim was the criticisms were the same.

The magnitude of negative comments made about the watch, iphone, and ipod were not in the same universe as those made about the VP pre/post release. No history rewrite.
I feel the point being made here is that the people who claim that every new Apple product release will fail are not basing their arguments on any objective facts or reasoning. They just want to see it fail, and they are content to keep parroting the same refrain every time, in the hopes that they will finally be "right", and that it somehow means that their criticism of Apple was valid all along.

For example, I recall many people arguing that Apple needed to release cheaper iPhones to compete with Android handsets, or risk being crowded out of the market. Apple has done the opposite, while relying on trade-ins and instalment plans to make their devices more accessible. The end result is that Apple holds its own in the smartphone market despite having just 20% market share worldwide, without taking a hit to its profitability, while also successfully navigating a paradigm shift where users are holding on to their devices for longer (by pivoting to services).

Another argument was how Apple needed a cheap laptop to compete with netbooks. Instead, Apple released the iPad, because they correctly bet that people bought cheap computers primarily to access the internet. But it was always the internet portion they wanted, not so much a full-fledged computer. And the rest as we know it is history.

There's now this thought that having the iPad become more like the Mac will help the iPad, and that the hardware is more than good enough while the software is holding it back. The opposite is likely true. The iPad's key selling point has always been that it is this magical piece of glass, and in this context, I believe that macOS will only make interacting with it more awkward and unwieldy.

There were jokes about how ridiculous the AirPods appeared, but their appearance is now iconic and synonymous with the company.

I could go on, but my point is that in all these scenarios, while the problems they identified may have had some merit or truth to it, the critics were almost always universally wrong when it came to identifying the correct remedies to take. I can't quite put my finger on it. There seems to be this disconnect between a design-led company like Apple, vs the engineering-led arguments being made by the people here (eg: many points made tend to revolve around price, specs, mergers and acquisitions, with seemingly little focus on the end user experience or the underlying technology makes a product more personal and "fun" to interact with or how people can get more out of their devices).

I don't think I am rewriting history by pointing out that many people here do not seem to understand Apple or business in general. Maybe the Vision Pro will sell well, and maybe it won't. My point is that it won't be because of what the "haters" here say, because honestly speaking, they have zero credibility in my eyes.
 
They didn’t learn the mistake trying to sell gold Apple Watch. I don’t care how cool you think your **** is. You can’t price it for multimillionaires and expect to sell many of them.
 
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It's not hard to believe that this product launch has been a disaster for Apple when are tech companies going to realise that VR/AR is a busted flush that the public doesn't want?
I'd not be THAT harsh.

There is a very strong, very enthusiastic group that loves VR and is prepared to put up with wearing a headset to get the experience.
The problem is Apple totally ignored this group of people, and tried to push their device onto the general public. That was the fail. Apple aimed for the wrong target with the wrong device.
 
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