Apple Preparing Fix for Glitch Causing Lightning EarPods Remote to Stop Working

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  1. Phil in ocala macrumors 6502

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    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    It was not broken so the Apple Geek Developers decided it MUST be fixed.
     
  2. votdfak macrumors regular

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  3. Return Zero macrumors 6502

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    I guess I shouldn't be surprised that people actually use these things. Mine are still in the box and will forever remain as such.
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    Sanity isn't welcome here.
     
  4. Seanm87 macrumors member

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    Literally just experienced this. Thought it was just me.
     
  5. frifra macrumors 6502a

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    Apart from that, wasn't it already possible to use a iPhone6/6s with Lightning headphones anyway?
     
  6. Abazigal macrumors 604

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    That has always been the inevitable cycle of things. The rebels invariably become part of the system or the system itself. Those who go against the establishment become part of that establishment or replace it. There's no way to break the rules without also creating new rules in the process.

    That said, I am interested to see what Apple can accomplish when it is at the height of its power, with all the wealth and influence at its disposal. Should be fun to watch.
     
  7. HEK macrumors 68030

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    It's not a physical button. Software driven sensors. If phone freezes up touch may not work. Hard reboot is now power and lower volume keys.
     
  8. leroypants Suspended

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    Which was completely impossible with all previous IPhones that had a headphone jack...
     
  9. GizmoDVD macrumors 65816

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    I can't wait for Apple to remove the 3.5 jack from everything. Apparently there are a lot people who will buy other phones/tablets/computers, right?
     
  10. Mac 128 macrumors 601

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    Yes you can say "minor issue", but frankly the headphone/adapter issue is a real head scratcher. The importance of the removal of the headphone jack was certainly not lost on Apple, yet this points to yet another poorly thought out issue that should have been caught before these phones hit the street. Something as obvious as this also expresses a kind of casual nonchalance which suggests Apple really didn't care about the customers who would be affected by the jack's removal. Seriously didn't anybody actually use the Lightning EarPods with a new iPhone to test it out, or did they just plug it in, confirmed it worked and moved on to the next thing?

    Maybe this was the result of a last minute tweek to the iOS 10 release and Apple knew about the problem but didn't want to miss the launch date. But considering the removal of the headphone jack, Apple certainly didn't need any more bad press surrounding that decision, and that's exactly what they got.
     
  11. truthertech macrumors 65816

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    You've got to read the thread. The issue was how many different solutions are there to listening to music and charging at the same time. The list is so long, I forgot a couple in the first post.
     
  12. milo macrumors 604

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    Disagree that there's no going back.

    Nonsense, the fidelity of a 3.5 jack is as good as anything else that's available. Lightning headphones have the potential to have better DAC and they have the potential to have worse DAC. I'm still waiting to hear a definitive test on sound quality with the new adapter.
     
  13. Bacillus macrumors 65816

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    That the way back is pretty easy - but the arrogance of The Courageous will be a hurdle of collossal proportions...
     
  14. sracer macrumors 603

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    That's a pretty low bar you set there.
     
  15. vvs14 macrumors regular

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    The point is, people will realize that there are equally good and less expensive options out there that have the headphone jack and they will move. There is going back.
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    Keep dreaming fanboy... You do realize other companies will continue making phones with a headphone jack right?
     
  16. dtich macrumors regular

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    uh. really? an open system on bugs? publicly available?? since when does ANY company do this? and why on earth would they? do you think apple does not do 'bug data analysis'?...?...??? lol.

    'mature companies'. your pedantic ignorance is laughable man.

    it's gotten worse in the last few years because their user base has grown by orders of magnitude -- they've pioneered several platforms and developer frameworks...

    get a grip people.
     
  17. vvs14 macrumors regular

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    'If you don't like it, don't buy it' is a typical response people make when they do not have a good valid argument. Its like saying if you don't like this country move to some other country.
     
  18. frifra macrumors 6502a

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    Just for your information: In the video posted by votdfuk (aka wtf :) ) it was stated: "There is no room here to include a dac and an amp of any quality". He could be right, he could be wrong.

    Here is a video that shows that there is at least a DAC (of unknown quality) in the adapter (lightning to 3.5mm):
     
  19. cruggles macrumors regular

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    What he fails to point out is how it compares to the DAC/amp in the iPhone itself (apart from stating the 24/16 bit difference which is completely irrelevant).
     
  20. JoEw macrumors 65816

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    I'm a computer science student and worked for a QA team as intern, shipping products with these kind of bugs isn't the norm.
    Obviously there will always be bugs, but this is a pretty big one.
     
  21. Mac 128 macrumors 601

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    iPhone 7 hearing test: Audio adapter can amplify noise
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    Apple's new audio adapter for the Lightning port on the iPhone 7 is a major bone: In precise listening tests we found other peculiarities of the D / A converter out, which can lead to more noise.

    After last Friday initially the signal quality of the new Lightning Audio Adapter measured and with the internal audio jack of the iPhone 6s and iPad Air had compared, we have the adapter now open and made more hearing tests to analyze the sound characteristics more precisely.


    Behind the Lightning connector Apple has built a Lightning chip with the identifier "338S00140 0KR1618 TW". He is responsible for the communication via the Lightning port and brings its own D / A converter unit according to our experience to date with. lie on the analog signals for stereo headphones and microphone for use of headsets to the four-pole 3.5mm jack socket of the adapter.

    D / A converter is not operating linear
    The built-in converter has some unusual properties that are dependent on whether it is connected to an iPhone or iPad. Metrologically he reached over the built-in socket inferior dynamics. The is 99.6 dB (A) on iPhone and 102.9 dB (A) at the iPad still always better than what is commonly known as "CD quality" describes internal sockets of the iPhone 6S and the iPad Air supplied with 104.1 dB (A) and 106.7 dB (A) but significantly better values that compete with those better professional audio interfaces entirely.

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    Under a microscope, the inscription of the Lightning chips in audio adapter is visible: 338S00140 0KR1618 TW.His exact specifications are still unknown to us.Image: c't

    In hearing test, however, showed that the converter in the Lightning adapter dynamism not exploited because he does not work in contrast to the internal transformer of the iPhone and iPad at the lower end of the volume spectrum linearly. So he is in the listening test level with about -86 dBFS roughly as loud as level of -120 dBFS.

    The effects are similar to those of a very low set parallel compressor. So you can hear extremely quiet signals with the adapter though, these are compressed beyond a certain threshold, however, so one perceives no difference in volume.This, however, is for example, a commonly used 16-bit recording dithering noise louder to hear than to the internal audio jack of the iPhone 6S and iPad Air. Their converters operate even in the lower volume range linearly, so that signals well beyond -86 dBFS be quieter.So we could with a low in-ear headphones (Beyerdynamic DTX-100, 12 ohms) hearing level to about -95 dBFS on iPhone 6S and -102 dBFS on iPad Air and perceive differences in volume.In other headphone models these perceptible level may be different.

    When comparing the perceived loudness of normal pop songs we could despite the metrological level differences on the adapter and on the internal sleeve, however make no obvious volume differences, whether with in-ear headphones with 12 ohms or a headset with 70 Ohm ( Sennheiser HD-25).

    Frequency response and distortion are exemplary at both the internal connectors and the adapter.


    Conclusion
    Apple Lightning audio adapter reinforced by our listening tests signals are quieter than about -86 dBFS. This may cause some shots a little more noise is noticeable, for example when analog tape recordings have been used or if a 16-bit music file - dithered - often as usual in mastering.

    Listeners can only notice this, however, when they pointed their ears, use high-quality headphones with high efficiency or if they connect the audio adapter to a stereo system or powered speakers using the line input. This listener can understand this even at home, the computer magazine c't is in its upcoming issue 21/16, which appears on October 1, publish corresponding Test files to download.

    In everyday life, when a user to listen to MP3 or AAC files with already highly compressed pop or rock music, but it will not notice the difference. was heard from developers circles that manufacturers now working on higher-quality audio adapters for the Lightning connector, which should also provide audiophile users satisfied. With the removal of very good internal audio jack on the iPhone 7 Apple can here the demand for such high-quality external converters quite stimulating. ( Hag )
     
  22. pcmacgamer macrumors regular

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    I use both and willl continue to browse this forum. Don't like it don't reply and move along.
     
  23. HopefulHumanist macrumors 6502a

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    Not in 100 years, they won't. Not a chance.
     
  24. Glassed Silver macrumors 68010

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    Problem is, the alternatives suck a lot more.

    So yes I will voice my opinion and hope they get the wake up call.

    I have some hope seeing how they made the iPhone SE a thing.

    Glassed Silver:ios
     

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