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The jack will be around, but not used on mobile phones.
Thing is, it's not really Apples to Oranges unless you take the perspective you're taking. They're just standards that are assumed and included in everything that have now been removed - that's Apples to Apples. If you need a better analogy, look at the new Macbook with only a USB-C port.

Your assumption that this is going to be normal when I've seen this happen with TONS of headphones in the past, to the point that some headphones aren't compatible between Apple and Android manufacturer headphone jacks is ridiculous.


Icono, there has been a great disturbance in the Force. It's no coincidence that Apple chose storm trooper white for the new Air Pods and Darth Vader black for the special color for the iPhone 7. Prepare my friend.
 
Welcome to the age of firmware updates for your headphones. Get ready for 'this device is not authorized' warnings as your perfectly functional headphones are made obsolete.

It amazes me how people drink the kool aid and think removing the headphone jack was about pushing iPhone into the future.

This move was purely done to make money. A way for Apple to have even more control over how the consumer uses their products.
 
Here we go again...yet another poster whose argument is "You clearly don't/haven't" etc etc etc. No, I clearly am a person you do not know who does not agree with you and has quite a different outlook on it all. Also, I upgrade my Apple iPhone every single year and among the "early adopters" especially now that the iPhone upgrade program exists. However, I own other smartphones as well...and I think you don't understand the numbers. See, 7 years ago, a million in a weekend was a big deal. You might get away with calling them fanboys...but when you're talking 10s of millions of people, and calling them all fanboys, you have lost your bearings.
So you clearly are a fanboy then if you blindly upgrade every year just for sake of upgrading your defensive nature makes a lot more sense now that I know you are one. I understand the numbers perfectly as does apple they have gotten those core group of users who defend every move they do on forums like this and justify it as innovative and great.

Check on iMore. They have one of their excellent video tutorials on how to use it. Don't blink, however, it takes almost two seconds and then you can use any headphone you want and never have to think of it again while you use a phone that is clearly, as Tim Cook said, the bestest ever. Unless, that is, you are in that tiny, tiny group who can't get it out of their mind that there is now a two inch extension on the end of their headphone cord instead of marveling at the best display ever tested and reviewed by DisplayMate.:)
I don't need a video to teach me how to use a silly adapter. It is is worse in every way as you have to make sure you carry it with you every where and are limited to having it work with just one device. Not worth 9 bucks to play into Apple's dumb game. They will reverse course soon enough once they get the bad sales numbers.

Also an old 720p screen for sake of profit is not the best ever tested an oled 1440p screen is however the best ever today. Maybe Apple will catch up in a few years.
 
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On a side note - I wonder how fast, if at all, this dispensing of the 3.5 jack on the iPhone will carry over to iPods and iPads. How the switch comes to their other devices will tell the tale of what really is driving the decision to drop the jack.

I, for one, don't mind at all. Of all the changes to the phones, pods, and pads over the years, this is the least 'concerning' of all, IMO.

For the record, when it comes to my own experience with controls on headphones, I have had 'traditional 3.5 jack' fail andI have had bluetooth headset controls fail.
 
If that's the case, why wouldn't you just use the free adapter? See how easy this all is?

These were my thoughts exactly until I realized that I tend to stream a bunch of music through my phone when I'm at home and also like to keep it charging.

So now we need to buy a dock too. Except for the fact that if you are in the car on a road trip and desire to do the same, and don't have BT( I have CarPlay) but still an issue for others.

But I get it..not really complaining just stating simple issues.
 
Old jack, earbuds work on every iPhone, including the 7.
New jack, only works on iPhone 7, doesn't work on iPhone 7.

I think we can end the discussion.

New discussion. If they are 'standardized' cables, why can't they also work on the iPhones that have a lightning port? What's so special about the lighting port on the 7 that the new earbuds with lightning dont work on the 6 or 5s?
New lighting pods work on all lightning phones going back; not just 7's.
 
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You could work for Apple's marketing department with that attitude! Customers hate it when something useful is courageously removed in the name of 'progress'.


Yep. Apple's marketing department is so good that over 200 million hate-filled people world-wide will buy the iPhone 7 over the next year (let that sink in).
 
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Whoever is doing software testing at Apple is pretty rubbish. Tim Cook if you are reading this, hire me and I will teach you the ways of the software test.
I've noticed it over the last few years, from a clear beginning point I'd say, too many glitches going uncorrected and the recent releases causing issues, makes me wonder when I should look to try sierra, it's a real shame.
 
Whoever is doing software testing at Apple is pretty rubbish. Tim Cook if you are reading this, hire me and I will teach you the ways of the software test.

As much as I support the elimination of the headphone jack, I find it amazing Apple's QA managed to drop the ball on this.

Apple is in total software fail mode at this point.. but of course they are because Apple is a hardware company.

The above three posters have no idea how complex software development is. Apple likely knew about this bug and had a fix in testing already.

Case in point...
Facebook is written in PHP (actually a fork of it now). Each month, a new version of PHP is released that has many bug fixes, some of which were first added to the bug database many years ago, and they've remained in the bug database this whole time because other issues were more important, or a fix just wasn't possible until now. Apple's software development is the same... bugs are identified, a ticket is created, solutions are discussed and tested, and only when they are ready do they get released to the public.

There's always going to be bugs to fix. Even if something worked one day, something else may break it, so a fix is needed. These are Apple's first Lightning-based EarPods, so bugs are bound to exist.

This isn't about defending Apple. It's about being realistic that software (and hardware) development is a complex process that doesn't always go perfectly or on schedule. Every leaf that gets turned over reveals more bugs that may have otherwise remained hidden and unknown. Switching to Lightning was a big leaf!
 
These were my thoughts exactly until I realized that I tend to stream a bunch of music through my phone when I'm at home and also like to keep it charging.

So now we need to buy a dock too. Except for the fact that if you are in the car on a road trip and desire to do the same, and don't have BT( I have CarPlay) but still an issue for others.

But I get it..not really complaining just stating simple issues.


Relax. Great news! Since you want to stream at home, as most people do, your charging port will be wide open for the charging cord!

And if you have a car that doesn't have BT, remember that the battery in the new iPhone gives you 40/60 hours of audio streaming! Or you can use one of the many adapters that will be out, Belkin already has one out!

See how easy all this is? Don't let the trollers get you down with their "sky is falling" myths. They've all been shot down. Positive waves my friend!
 
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The 3.5mm jack will be around for another 100 years...

So far the removal of the jack has been nothing but a pain in the ass all around.

You do realize Apple was not the only company to remove the 3.5 port on a cellphone? They weren't even the first and most likely will not be the last.
 
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Actually, no, that's not what a true audiophile would tell you - because it would depend ENTIRELY on the music that is being compressed whether or not 256 kbps would be enough to be indistinguishable (hint, if you listen to music with lots of cymbals, they can sound like they're in a drainage pipe at that bitrate). If you're listening to some godawful pop music, it's not going to matter. Let me guess, you can't have a discussion about anything without attempting to insult someone else's knowledge?

The best speakers in the world aren't going to sound very good when hooked up to that 3.5mm headphone jack on your last iPhone. Is it becoming clearer now?
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I agree with you on the last part. Just don't see any of this normalizing until after a couple of years of shuffling from all companies involved. Samsung wants to create a proprietary port just to compete...should tell you where the competition's mind is at.

That's what I thought. You know nothing, and I can guarantee you wouldn't be able to distinguish the difference in a proper ABX test.

Also, connected through Lightning won't sound AWESOME either. SO WHY REMOVE a port and substitute it with another one that won't upgrade the quality of sound.

Once again, you know absolutely nothing.
 
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Relax. Great news! Since you want to stream at home, as most people do, your charging port will be wide open for the charging cord! See how easy all this is? Don't let the trollers convince you the sky is falling. Positive waves my friend!

Dude I'm cool with it, just saying I can see for some where it could be a headache at first.

For me I use my iPad when I'm home mostly anyways.
 
These were my thoughts exactly until I realized that I tend to stream a bunch of music through my phone when I'm at home and also like to keep it charging.

So now we need to buy a dock too. Except for the fact that if you are in the car on a road trip and desire to do the same, and don't have BT( I have CarPlay) but still an issue for others.

But I get it..not really complaining just stating simple issues.
If you want to

1) stream music
2) through a wired connection (or headphones)
3) charging at the same time

then yes, you need to obtain a dock or other passthrough adapter.

But that's not me. So "we" don't need to buy anything.
 
Actually a true Audiophile would tell you that at higher bit-rates, such as Apple's AAC at 256 kbps the difference between a lossless file and a compressed file is virtually indistinguishable, and multiple ABX blind tests support this theory. Let me guess, you also think HD 24/96 Audio sounds better, right?

What makes all the difference in the world are your speakers and the quality of the mastering your file has.

LOL so much wrong here.
 
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People are just being ridiculous. Talking like it's the end of the world while completely ignoring the facts.

1) Two other high-performance iPhone models still support the headphone jack if people really need it.
2) iPhone 7 comes with an elegant adapter.

People take issue with the fact that you can't charge AND listen to wired headphones at the same time, but really.... how many people do that? On a scale of 1-to-10, how serious of a problem is that? And if it was a serious problem, then educated consumers simply make a different buying choice. Smart buying that has remained the same for 1000 years.

It's ironic... Apple releases the best smartphone to the market and people spend their time complaining rather than enjoying and celebrating. This world is nuts.
 
See you in 6-12 months when you're happily totin' Lightning or Bluetooth-based headphones and couldn't imagine it any other way...

If I was into bluetooth don't you think I'd be into it by now?

And unless every piece of gear I use magically gains a lightning port, I don't EVER see myself having wired lightning headphones. Lightning will be obsolte in 10 years and the mini-jack will still be standard. I need headphones that are compatible with everything. Lightning headphones only work on Apple devices, and I don't see that changing.
 
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People are just being ridiculous. Talking like it's the end of the world while completely ignoring the facts.

1) Two other high-performance iPhone models still support the headphone jack if people really need it.
2) iPhone 7 comes with an elegant adapter.

People take issue with the fact that you can't charge AND listen to wired headphones at the same time, but really.... how many people do that? On a scale of 1-to-10, how serious of a problem is that? And if it was a serious problem, then educated consumers simply make a different buying choice. Smart buying that has remained the same for 1000 years.

It's ironic... Apple releases the best smartphone to the market and people spend their time complaining rather than enjoying and celebrating. This world is nuts.

I complete disagree with you. Having said that, you responded in a polite manner and justifying your points.

I can respect that.
 
Strange thing is, I've had loss of volume control functionality several times with standard 3.5mm EarPods on my iPad 3 and iPad Pro 9.7 the last year or two. A reboot fixes it. (Genuine  EarPods.)
 
those complaining about the analog 3.5 removal need to understand that this is about the same as going from rf ch3, coax and rca and into say hdmi.

Not really no. There isn't an improvement on quality and Lighting is not an open standrard. So no. Not at all.
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LOL so much wrong here.
Oh really? Enlighten me. Please, I beg you.
 
Check on iMore. They have one of their excellent video tutorials on how to use it. Don't blink, however, it takes almost two seconds and then you can use any headphone you want and never have to think of it again while you use a phone that is clearly, as Tim Cook said, the bestest ever. Unless, that is, you are in that tiny, tiny group who can't get it out of their mind that there is now a two inch extension on the end of their headphone cord instead of marveling at the best display ever tested and reviewed by DisplayMate.:)


Correction: best LCD display, not the best display. Big difference. You can get the best display AND 3.5mm jack on Samsung phones.
 
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