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Apple Preparing to Launch 27-Inch LED Cinema Display, Mac Pro Update by June?
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tobyw7
macrumors regular
I would hope you wouldn't use a tablet computer to do architectural drafting and rendering anyway.
It most likely wouldn't cope anyway!
And FYI the iPad is a tablet, not a large iPhone!
MorphingDragon
macrumors 603
I dont get the fascination with Apples ACD monitors. Yea they're nice looking, but Samsung has some very vice looking screens that a far better quality and are also LED.
http://www.samsung.com/nz/consumer/...XY/index.idx?pagetype=prd_detail&tab=features
Now if Apple blows our mind at a nice pricing point including 'apple tax' then ill happily take the things I said back. But I would rather see that the graphics cards in the Mac Pros have more than one mini DPs on them. So you could use 2 LED ACDs at once without an extra GPU.
Lostanddamned
macrumors 6502a
Personally I can see why all these people are very worries about using this new monitor for professional work, but as has been stated previously (ad nauseum) there are other options; such as the Dell, Samsung, Ezio, whatever monitors.
I am doing professional work on my 13" MacBook, it just so happens to be TeX editing, due to the nature of my work (Research Biologist) and the shinyness of the monitor is a non-issue, and, at the end of the day when my MacBook becomes my entertainment centre rather than my workstation, a nice big glossy monitor would be very attractive for sitting on my desk, and watching films on it has no real effect.
I hope that this does end up working out, as my birthday is in June and this would make a very attractive replacement to my 19" Asus monitor...
I am doing professional work on my 13" MacBook, it just so happens to be TeX editing, due to the nature of my work (Research Biologist) and the shinyness of the monitor is a non-issue, and, at the end of the day when my MacBook becomes my entertainment centre rather than my workstation, a nice big glossy monitor would be very attractive for sitting on my desk, and watching films on it has no real effect.
I hope that this does end up working out, as my birthday is in June and this would make a very attractive replacement to my 19" Asus monitor...
tobyw7
macrumors regular
I dont get the fascination with Apples ACD monitors. Yea they're nice looking, but Samsung has some very vice looking screens that a far better quality and are also LED.
http://www.samsung.com/nz/consumer/...XY/index.idx?pagetype=prd_detail&tab=features
Now if Apple blows our mind at a nice pricing point including 'apple tax' then ill happily take the things I said back.
And for a lot less money, too!
How about colour accuracy for once
Seriously, any "professional" that buys a mac display needs to seriously learn a thing or two about colour and save up for a good Eizo.
Seriously, any "professional" that buys a mac display needs to seriously learn a thing or two about colour and save up for a good Eizo.
Of course is that Samsung display cheaper than an Apple Cinema Display, it uses a cheaper TN panel and doesn't even have the same resolution. So, no, the Samsung is not higher quality...
BillyBobBongo
macrumors 68030
Neither do I, there are many options out there at a fraction of Apple's cost. Some people clearly have more money than sense.
I dont get the fascination with Apples ACD monitors. Yea they're nice looking, but Samsung has some very vice looking screens that a far better quality and are also LED.
http://www.samsung.com/nz/consumer/...XY/index.idx?pagetype=prd_detail&tab=features
Now if Apple blows our mind at a nice pricing point including 'apple tax' then ill happily take the things I said back. But I would rather see that the graphics cards in the Mac Pros have more than one mini DPs on them. So you could use 2 LED ACDs at once without an extra GPU.
No offense, but are you seriously saying that a TN panel is on bar to a IPS panel in quality? I had a Samsung TN panel before, besides my Dell IPS 2007wfp, and the Dell blows the TN panel out of the water. Samsung was not LED, so a bit improvement in terms of contrast there could be...
A.B.
Chupa Chupa
macrumors G5
I was about to write the same thing until I saw you made the point. After all these years there is still a lot of misconceptions about LCD monitors being all the same and "the spec sheet tells all." Most companies do not advertise they use TN panels for a reason.
The reality is Apple's monitors are expensive, but they are in-line for truly similar monitors. (I don't however like the glossy screen and hope a matte option is offered, even at additional cost, like the MBPs.)
Henri Gaudier
macrumors 6502a
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Hello Dave,
I wont quote you as it will take too much space but to answer a few points. Refresh times. I don't know the entire history of the PowerMac & MacPro but in the buyers guide it is statistically way over due. So the increments of upgrades must be better than one every 15 months (June 21010) I remember the iMac changing from 233 to 266 etc in the shake of a lamb's tail. It felt like improvements could come any time. Now it's an age.
I'd happily go for an i7 iMac if it had more FW ports. The power's there but not the connectivity. As a studio musician what exactly am I to do with all the high tech I've saved up for and bought over the years?
Raised prices; Schiller said at the announcement of the 09 that the price had gone down by 300 USD. In Britain it went up £500 around 800USD. I think it went up a small amount in France but can't remember as I was in the UK at that time. (My wife is English) There certainly wasn't a reduction in price. Somebody is paying for that reduction. "The wildest thing I've heard in years." Hyperbole I hope!😛
As for the Socialist Sarkozy .. I take it that the wider world is not of interest? Sarko is a right wing politician one without an ounce of Socialism. An exponent of America and Americanism. A good old Neo-Con. To generalise he should sit happily with the average American in the streets. As for playing dirty. Come on .. it's a two way street. Big business is without heart or morality. If Renault could get Ethiopians to make their cars for a tenth of the price they would. It would be F*ck the French worker. I'm surprised you feel you should get behind your poor mega corp boys. They act in the exact same way.
Half assed? In France we make great stuff and sh*t. Isn't that like everywhere else? Why don't you know that?
Hello Dave,
I wont quote you as it will take too much space but to answer a few points. Refresh times. I don't know the entire history of the PowerMac & MacPro but in the buyers guide it is statistically way over due. So the increments of upgrades must be better than one every 15 months (June 21010) I remember the iMac changing from 233 to 266 etc in the shake of a lamb's tail. It felt like improvements could come any time. Now it's an age.
I'd happily go for an i7 iMac if it had more FW ports. The power's there but not the connectivity. As a studio musician what exactly am I to do with all the high tech I've saved up for and bought over the years?
Raised prices; Schiller said at the announcement of the 09 that the price had gone down by 300 USD. In Britain it went up £500 around 800USD. I think it went up a small amount in France but can't remember as I was in the UK at that time. (My wife is English) There certainly wasn't a reduction in price. Somebody is paying for that reduction. "The wildest thing I've heard in years." Hyperbole I hope!😛
As for the Socialist Sarkozy .. I take it that the wider world is not of interest? Sarko is a right wing politician one without an ounce of Socialism. An exponent of America and Americanism. A good old Neo-Con. To generalise he should sit happily with the average American in the streets. As for playing dirty. Come on .. it's a two way street. Big business is without heart or morality. If Renault could get Ethiopians to make their cars for a tenth of the price they would. It would be F*ck the French worker. I'm surprised you feel you should get behind your poor mega corp boys. They act in the exact same way.
Half assed? In France we make great stuff and sh*t. Isn't that like everywhere else? Why don't you know that?
iggibiggi
macrumors member
Funny how you mention that for something to be considered a computer, they have to run "architectural drafting and renderings," when there are computers EVERYWHERE that are not powerfull enough to run any kind of *REAL* design programs! What let's you-go on the internet, watch movies, go on youtube, listen to music, create a document(pages/numbers/etc), send out emails, play games, and more? If you answered, "a computer," you would be right! The funny thing is, so can the iPad! If you are really worried about *rendering*, you aren't going to be getting something that rivals netbooks, or small/cheap computers anyways!!
Umbongo
macrumors 601
The buyer's guide is useless for it's average time as they include the Power Macs which have no relevance to the Mac Pro's refresh times and the 2007 Mac Pro processor upgrade option is included yet the December 2009 addition of the 3.33GHz is not. The schedule is Intel's. As it is for all the other big Workstation vendors. People twist things terribly on this forum in regard to dates and rumours.
There have been 3 major Mac Pro releases, as there have been 3 Workstation platforms from Intel, since 2006:
August 6th, 2006. 6 weeks after Xeons were released. 4 weeks after Dell and HP announced systems, but they didn't ship for 1-2 weeks.
January 8th, 2008. 8 weeks after Xeons were released, 2 weeks after Dell and before HP and Lenovo.
March 3rd 2009. 4 weeks before Xeons were released and other's were able to announce systems.
That is an average of over 15 months, which is a similar average time between Intel's Xeon launches since the introduction of Core based Xeons.
I am aware of all of this hence I didn't write a novel. Every product in the world has its market. It seems these extremely expensive monitors (as Apple's monitor history has shown) are aimed at professionals in very particular professions. Not consumers. Not pros at the everyday office. So in effect, these are very niche devices. Fine. For the 90% of the humans on the planet that are in the market to buy a monitor, it will NOT be an Apple display....mainly for cost reasons. And even if if the average consumer got one as a gift, the average person would likely never notice a difference in quality compared to a cheaper Samsung/Dell/NEC for their everyday computing needs. Just like the average consumer doesn't buy Klipsch stereo speakers @ $2300/pair or $3000 Denon receivers- it's not just price, but the perception/belief if they REALLY can see/hear the difference.
-Eric
I took the plunge 3 weeks ago
Yup, you read correctly. I bought a 30" ACD and couldn't be happier. Any serious pro who wouldn't consider this because it doesn't have a card reader or older FW400 connections is nuts IMHO. As a pro, I'm working with a MacPro that sits right next to my desk with all the accessible front ports I need.
As for the color accuracy I'd put up a properly calibrated ACD against any other high end monitor. The key is buying a really good calibration tool and using it regularly. Frankly you don't even need that if all you're doing is web work (just match RGB, Pantone or Hex colors). Color accuracy of matching is paramount with print work and even then it could be your printer or driver before it's the monitor.
Yup, you read correctly. I bought a 30" ACD and couldn't be happier. Any serious pro who wouldn't consider this because it doesn't have a card reader or older FW400 connections is nuts IMHO. As a pro, I'm working with a MacPro that sits right next to my desk with all the accessible front ports I need.
As for the color accuracy I'd put up a properly calibrated ACD against any other high end monitor. The key is buying a really good calibration tool and using it regularly. Frankly you don't even need that if all you're doing is web work (just match RGB, Pantone or Hex colors). Color accuracy of matching is paramount with print work and even then it could be your printer or driver before it's the monitor.
A friend of mine has a Dell monitor as well and is cheaper and way beyond better than Apples monitors.
I have the 30" cinema display and the old 20" display with the white acrylic frame and this one looks amazing compared with the 30".
I like Apple displays by their look but regarding functionality and quality others have done better jobs already.
I'll make this counter point in every thread you post this statement, because it's only half true.
The quad core MacPro is not a good value. When compared to other company prices on Xeon based workstations, it can be almost $1000 cheaper to avoid the mac. If you switch to a core i7 instead of a Xeon, the gap widens to become ridiculous.
Only the dual quad core Mac Pro is competitive on price. Even then, a $3300 machine that comes with six 1 GB sticks of ram is a little insulting.
Umbongo
macrumors 601
2009 Mac Pros were the first pro system Apple have sold without the minimum amount of memory since before the G5 Power Mac days. The standard practice for Workstations has been to offer minimum amounts of memory and storage and let the customer decide the source and type of upgrades in these areas.
Oh yes. Absolutely. Why should Apple listen to its customers? Especially its high-end high-ticket enterprise line customers?
The new Apple commercial:
"Hi. I'm a Mac. Shut the ef up and take me as Lord Stevo-o made me or leave me."
I wonder if you can explain how Apple consistently has the highest customer satisfaction ratings in the industry if they don't give the customers what they want?
The reality is that Apple listens to their customers quite well. It's the know-it-all, never used a Mac, never want to use a Mac, loud-mouthed, forum trolls that Apple doesn't listen to. Oh, and the analysts who have never gotten anything right wrt Apple. Frankly, Apple is better off NOT listening to those groups.
This is, of course, total bull*****. Computers account for a large portion of Apple's revenues and R&D expense. Equally important is the fact that computers are also a key part of Apple's iPhone and iPad strategies. While it is true that Apple no longer cares ONLY about computers, your statement is flat out wrong.
You mean the software restrictions that offer 150,000 apps?
The tech definition of computer is 'programmable machine'.
http://www.techterms.com/definition/computer
The iPad easily fits that definition. All this garbage from people pretending that it's not a computer because it won't burn CDs is just ludicrous (by that standard, a large percentage of servers in use are not computers). It's clearly a computer - except to those who'd rather whine than think.
If you're happy with Dell U2410s, then good for you. No one cares. Apple isn't any more interested in competing in the cheap monitor market than in the cheap computer market. Just because Apple doesn't have a monitor for cheapskates doesn't mean their monitors are no good or overpriced.
Nice of you to trim out the part of my post where I said exactly that. The problem is that you are deciding arbitrarily that everyone needs 3 passengers - just as you are deciding that everyone needs a monitor with 12 ports - and then determining product quality on that basis.
In the REAL world, people decide what their needs are and then choose the product that best suits them. Some people don't need to carry 3 passengers and want a fast car. The Ferrari is better for them than a Ford Focus. Others simply want cheap transportation. The Hyundai is better for them. No one product fits every person - get it?
In the case of monitors, Apple's not selling monitors for the crowd who wants 12 different ports, so the number of ports is irrelevant to the target audience. They're selling very high quality monitors for the premium end of the market. Apple realizes full well that only a small number of people need that level of monitor quality, but they have no desire to compete on cheaper monitors. Why is it that you trolls have so much trouble with that? No one said you couldn't buy a Dell or Samsung or HP or LG monitor if you wish. If they meet your needs as well as the Apple monitor, you'd be crazy not to buy them. Personally, I don't buy Apple monitors because I don't need that kind of quality. I also don't buy the cheap crapola TN screens that some people around here are advocating. You buy what suits your needs. The fact that your needs are simple enough that you can't justify the Apple monitor is not a fault of the Apple monitor, it's simply a recognition that not everyone needs Ferraris.
Apple monitors are for people who don't find 'pretty good' to be good enough. If you're happy with your Dell, no one is begrudging that. It's not the same quality as an Apple 30" LCD.
Of course there are. What the Apple-bashers never seem to get is that Apple doesn't ever attempt to make a product that suits everyone - because that's a great way to get a lousy product. There are lots of other monitors and no one forces anyone to buy Apple's. However, when you look at monitors that match the Apple Cinema Display's quality, the price is pretty competitive.
Better in what way? More ports?
I have used Dell monitors. For general office use, they're adequate. But there's never been a Dell monitor built that can hold a candle to the Cinema Displays.
Of course, you're probably one of those people who will look at a crappy TN display and say it's better just because someone turned the brightness up all the way.
gdeusthewhizkid
macrumors 6502a
apple needs to drop the prices of these dang blasted monitors.. Why would i spend almost a 1000 on a monitor when i can get a lcd tv for cheaper or around the same price.. stop it apple !!!!!
Dozer_Zaibatsu
macrumors 6502
Any professional knows that while Eizo quality is 2nd to none, it's particularly precise quality is for very precise things. You don't need a monitor that precise to be a good photographer, nor a good Web Designer, nor even to match up print needs for 95% of business 2-D needs.
If you're a traffic manager for Vogue, and have one in a clean room, I get it. But even then, you'd just be showing off to have it sitting in your parlor to read Internet forums while you sip coffee.
There's really a big quality difference. One of the biggest is that it uses an IPS screen. Just cause monitor A and monitor B have the same size and resolution, doesn't mean that they're equal in quality.