Apple Press Event October 19 Confirmed

[ncoffey]

Agreed. A LOT of what gets done on computers (Safari, Mail, iLife) was Intel-native months ago. A lot more has been done since then. There were stories of pretty big apps, even games, being ported quickly. "No software" is a huge exaggeration. Of course we don't hear about the software much because there ARE no Intel Macs yet But there IS software waiting for them. And by next year there will be even more. PLUS we'll have Intel Macs faster than the dev kits--and that means better Rosetta.

I think the important point here is that Apple committed to June 2006 for Intel based Macs. This isn't important to us or to their ability to engineer new machines by then or even convert all of their software, but it is very important to other companies who have to convert the software. If Apple released Intel Macs in January then Microsoft, Mathworks, Symantec, and more than one or two other companies would probably not be really happy about it, as they want time to prepare their products and Apple needs to at least give them the chance to do this. I expect the Intel switch no earlier than next summer for this reason. The April/May timeframe could be possible for some announcements and maybe some sort of consumer offerings could be made a little early, but not by more than a couple of months. Then again, Steve has a habit of doing exactly what people say he won't.

 

[nagromme]

A glossy black PowerBook would be nice, but would black aluminum be possible?

Yes (like those Maglites), but I think the black anodized coating can scratch off quite visibly. Still better than plastic.

I think the important point here is that Apple committed to June 2006 for Intel based Macs. This isn't important to us or to their ability to engineer new machines by then or even convert all of their software, but it is very important to other companies who have to convert the software. If Apple released Intel Macs in January then Microsoft, Mathworks, Symantec, and more than one or two other companies would probably not be really happy about it, as they want time to prepare their products and Apple needs to at least give them the chance to do this. I expect the Intel switch no earlier than next summer for this reason.

That's certainly a factor, in an ideal world, but in this transition Apple WILL have to make some compromises, and so will their users and developers. There WILL be developers--some big ones--who have products that aren't ready when the first Intel Macs ship.

Apple did NOT commit to keeping Intel Macs out of the market until June. They committed to having then IN the market BY June. (And we also don't know what specifics--or newer info--Apple has privately told some of their big developers.)

Software developers have a way out if they don't have an Intel-native version yet but want to sell to Intel users: offer a free update to the Intel version when it's ready. It's not ideal, but it would be enough to get MY money

And Rosetta is there to help devs as much as users. It makes Microsoft Office and Photoshop run on Intel Macs NOW, while Adobe and MS work on better versions.

Also, most Macs in the world will PPC Macs for a long time to come. Even when you can't buy them anymore, they'll be what's out there. So the market for existing PPC apps isn't going to vanish suddenly. Developers won't suddenly see their income vanish when Intel Macs appear. I don't think they will object to Apple doing what needs to be done, and that probably means releasing Intel Macs without waiting for every major app to be native.

 

[DavoMrMac]

Black Powerbook

iQuit mentioned a black PowerBook, now I agree that would be cool.

Problems with scratching? hmmmmm. Well I don't actually own one, but does anyone have a black Motorola V3, and if so does it scratch easily?

How about a bronze or other custom colour, no that would be different.

 

[ncoffey]

That's certainly a factor, in an ideal world, but in this transition Apple WILL have to make some compromises, and so will their users and developers. There WILL be developers--some big ones--who have products that aren't ready when the first Intel Macs ship.
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I agree with what you've said here. The only technical detail I would mention is Rosettas translation capabilities do not, from what I understand (and I may be wrong), extend to Altivec. I'm not sure what happens for any software that requires a G4/G5 with Altivec to run. I can't stress enough that I could be completely out to lunch on this one, and I don't know of any technical reasons that Altivec couldn't be software emulated, albeit at a very slow pace.

 

[Peace]

I know this event is more than likely updates to the PM and PB.But it is listed as a pro event.I'm wondering if Apple now has a spreadsheet solution for iwork.

I would LOVE to see this.I'd buy iWork then.

 

[berkleeboy210]

I know this event is more than likely updates to the PM and PB.But it is listed as a pro event.I'm wondering if Apple now has a spreadsheet solution for iwork.

I would LOVE to see this.I'd buy iWork then.

wait till macworld fot that iwork '06

 

[aswitcher]

Along with some imminent upgrades to the PM (and possibly the PB), we might also finally see a bt mighty.

This would make me very happy. I want my BT MM...I just hope its not BT 2.0 EDR only...

 

[oliverlubin]

I know this event is more than likely updates to the PM and PB.But it is listed as a pro event.I'm wondering if Apple now has a spreadsheet solution for iwork.

I would LOVE to see this.I'd buy iWork then.

how about Front Row too!

im guessing dual 3.2 GHz dual core PM at the top. isnt the xbox 360 supposed to get a 3.2 GHz variant and shipping in mass quantities in a month or so?

 

[winmacguy]

D*** MacRumors elitist!!

I was meaning the informative content of posts in general. I have seen some posters who have less posts than me who are Demi Gods

 

[aljawad]

Emmm (in my best Homer Simpson impersonation), a PB with an integrated iSight camera, just like the one on the new iMac! Wait, how about a 42” display? And that Astroid thing ...

OK, probably not this Wednesday, but eventually such beasts will come. And on the software front, Photo Super-Duper Pro along with a spreadsheet based on the Lotus Improve???

Besides, Steve must leave a few goodies for Januarys MW Expo, other that an updated iPod Shuffle which will probably be the size of a dime?

 

[iQuit]

The 360 has a symmetrical 3 core CPU running at 3.2 GHz each. Just to let you know.

 

[~Shard~]

I don't know, although I know I can put an avatar on mine and I have just over 1,000 posts. I was checking last night and a lot of the Demi Gods who post here seem to have a varying total number of posts from just over 1,000 to 4,000 and some of them post up to 4 times a day on average. I post about 1.2 times on average. I think it might be something to do with the informative content of your posts.

It's 500 posts. These and other simple over-asked questions can be answered by reading the FAQ. And it's just 500 posts, content doesn't matter. Of course if all you do is post a few words, spam, or submit off-topic posts, your posts will be removed and you will most likely be banned.

Just curious--what about Front Row requires more power?

What little I have seen of Front Row doesn't look any more taxing than running Exposé on moving video, which works fine on my old Mac that has lower specs than a Mini. But I haven't seen the keynote--what does Front Row do that needs a mid-range Mac?

Hmm, good point. Perhaps the requirements are not as heavy as I initially thought. I still think it would be optimal to run Front Row on a G5 though, and if it ended up being fine but a bit sluggish on a G4, Apple may not like to promote that and offer it as a possibility to ensure Front Row doesn't get a negative image, whether it's truly the app's fault or not.

 

[~Shard~]

I know this event is more than likely updates to the PM and PB.But it is listed as a pro event.I'm wondering if Apple now has a spreadsheet solution for iwork.

I would LOVE to see this.I'd buy iWork then.

If there is an Excel-type solution for iWork, we will not see it until MWSF, when iLife '06 and iWork '06 will be released. That's my guess, at least.

 

[hyperpasta]

I think the important point here is that Apple committed to June 2006 for Intel based Macs. This isn't important to us or to their ability to engineer new machines by then or even convert all of their software, but it is very important to other companies who have to convert the software. If Apple released Intel Macs in January then Microsoft, Mathworks, Symantec, and more than one or two other companies would probably not be really happy about it, as they want time to prepare their products and Apple needs to at least give them the chance to do this. I expect the Intel switch no earlier than next summer for this reason. The April/May timeframe could be possible for some announcements and maybe some sort of consumer offerings could be made a little early, but not by more than a couple of months. Then again, Steve has a habit of doing exactly what people say he won't.

Actually, according to the Apple Developer Website, they've commited to 2006 in general. January yes, Wednesday no.

 

[hyperpasta]

If there is an Excel-type solution for iWork, we will not see it until MWSF, when iLife '06 and iWork '06 will be released. That's my guess, at least.

Numbers

 

[Roller]

I think SJ plucked what he considered a reasonable date out of thin air and told his team to meet it or beat it. Being conservative is not how you generate momentum internally or enthusiasm in the audience.

You mean like the time he promised a 3 GHz G5 in a year?

Seriously, even Steve Jobs would base the date on estimates from engineering and manufacturing.

 

[hyperpasta]

Hmm, good point. Perhaps the requirements are not as heavy as I initially thought. I still think it would be optimal to run Front Row on a G5 though, and if it ended up being fine but a bit sluggish on a G4, Apple may not like to promote that and offer it as a possibility to ensure Front Row doesn't get a negative image, whether it's truly the app's fault or not.

There may be other things. An IR receiver is needed, obviosly. Apple may want it to ONLY run on computers that can handle it extreemly smoothly to give a good impressions. Or they may just do it to make our Macs look older

 

[BenRoethig]

Apple did NOT commit to keeping Intel Macs out of the market until June. They committed to having then IN the market BY June. (And we also don't know what specifics--or newer info--Apple has privately told some of their big developers.)

Software developers have a way out if they don't have an Intel-native version yet but want to sell to Intel users: offer a free update to the Intel version when it's ready. It's not ideal, but it would be enough to get MY money

And Rosetta is there to help devs as much as users. It makes Microsoft Office and Photoshop run on Intel Macs NOW, while Adobe and MS work on better versions.

Also, most Macs in the world will PPC Macs for a long time to come. Even when you can't buy them anymore, they'll be what's out there. So the market for existing PPC apps isn't going to vanish suddenly. Developers won't suddenly see their income vanish when Intel Macs appear. I don't think they will object to Apple doing what needs to be done, and that probably means releasing Intel Macs without waiting for every major app to be native.

Right now there are certain pro applications that run better on PowerPCs and will until SSE catches up to Altivec. As for the consumer line, they will be better off with the intel switch almost as soon as they hit the market. Entry level machines like the Mini and iBook in January are plausible. For what the simple tasks they are used for immature software and rosetta emulation wouldn't hurt that much. My personal belief is that the entire line will be switched over by WWDC. Some PowerPC systems will be retained until 2007 for those who want them.

The 360 has a symmetrical 3 core CPU running at 3.2 GHz each. Just to let you know.

Look, calling that chip a G5 is like calling the I-4 in the Neon a Hemi just because its a Mopar. I would liken the chip to a high clocked Pentium 1.

 

[iQuit]

You know what would suck? By the transition, PPC processors just kick the snot of out Intel... I can just see Stevie now.

 

[iQuit]

The XBOX that is the current black one currently has a 733MHz Pentium 3...

Right now there are certain pro applications that run better on PowerPCs and will until SSE catches up to Altivec. As for the consumer line, they will be better off with the intel switch almost as soon as they hit the market. Entry level machines like the Mini and iBook in January are plausible. For what the simple tasks they are used for immature software and rosetta emulation wouldn't hurt that much. My personal belief is that the entire line will be switched over by WWDC. Some PowerPC systems will be retained until 2007 for those who want them.



Look, calling that chip a G5 is like calling the I-4 in the Neon a Hemi just because its a Mopar. I would liken the chip to a high clocked Pentium 1.

 

[aafuss1]

Along with some imminent upgrades to the PM (and possibly the PB), we might also finally see a bt mighty.

With a laser engine for precision and better accuracy (eg. useful in Turbocad 2d Mac, VectorWorks

 

[~Shard~]

Apple may want it to ONLY run on computers that can handle it extreemly smoothly to give a good impressions.

Yes, exactly, that is what I was referring to with my above post.

 

[~Shard~]

The 360 has a symmetrical 3 core CPU running at 3.2 GHz each. Just to let you know.

Yes, but that's irrelevant, now isn't it? Anyone who knows anything about the specifics of these chips knows that we would not want the 360's or the PS3's CELLs in a Mac.

 

[aafuss1]

That article "could" explain a strategy by Apple of moving one of it's PB's to Intel on the 19th..

Just think.One person here said the Mactel's would be useless without Photoshop.If Photoshop isn't ready to run on the Intel platform without Rosetta one could use the new Photo Pro app from Apple which would run natively on Intel.

So we'd have some nice "pro" apps ready to go on a new Mactel..

Logic Pro 8 would be nice as well (and Jobs could say that a future release is Intel ready).

 

[iGuy]

i have a black Motorola V3

iQuit mentioned a black PowerBook, now I agree that would be cool.

Problems with scratching? hmmmmm. Well I don't actually own one, but does anyone have a black Motorola V3, and if so does it scratch easily?

How about a bronze or other custom colour, no that would be different.

No problem at all with scratching. However remember that it's a matt black fininsh, not glossy.

I do, however, have problems with finger prints. The oils from my fingers, no matter how clean, leave finger prints that I'm forever wiping off.

But all in all, I'd have to say I'm quite pleased with V3's finish.

~iGuy