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Yes, yes, I have heard this one before, but why do we accept it on our phones but not on our computers?

Write your own OS, create your own phone, create your own social network, create your own web hosting service, create your own data center, create your own power company, create your own internet.

Where does it end? Create your own....country?
Your (pc) computer is not owned by anyone. It's an amalgamation of parts from 10 different companies all collectively working together to make parts for a pc. Microsoft doesn't own it, Asus doesn't own it, and Lenovo doesn't own it.

Apple created the entire iphone. They designed and sold a single all-inclusive device including the OS. They have patents on it and it's their right to sell it how they want. This also applies to Mac computers but Apple is having trouble closing that barn door. In time, Microsoft will force it on the Surface line too.
 
If you're not using our store, then you can't use our tools.

Your playground is access to the screen (bit mapping) and sound/internet/etc. but you can't use any of our tools/system calls that are funded by our percent of app store that we use to make it easier for developers. You've got to pay for that.

Plus, you can't have access to the address book, photos, contacts, etc.

Either that or they'll release a separate version of the iPhone. One that has other stores and one that doesn't.

Better yet, the one with the ability for other stores, does NOT have Apple's store on it.
 
If the bill passes, and Apple is forced to offer alternative app stores to all its North Dakota customers, then I’d predict that they stop any sales to North Dakota. Or worse, they buy a few thousand Huawei phones, rename them as “iPhone ND” and that’s all the iPhones you can buy in North Dakota. You can put any store you like on your phone in North Dakota, but it won’t have iOS and no iOS apps.
 
One of the things I appreciate on iOS the most is the safety of the system; I can install any App I find without worries, cause all have to go through review beforehand. Was always very carefull what I'm installing on devices I use and this safety net really puts me at ease. I see the appeal of having alternative stores, but even if/when those alternatives are available, I'd still stick to the Appstore. Maybe I'm also a bit biased, cause I really don't spend much on App purchases/subscriptions...
 
If people can install whatever they want on their iPhone, Apple is under no requirement to support them in any way. You want your own App Store, you can write your own OS. If you install some horrific crap that steals all your money, you can't blame Apple. There is exactly zero way our apps will ever run on someone's insecure Apple environment. Our lawyers would never allow it. Write your own DakotaOS and do whatever you want.
this must be satire. please tell me this is satire.
 
Some talk about just buying an android smartphone.
It seems to me that in the United States, android smartphones are bad products, because America blocks more than 50% of the products available like Xiaomi, Vivo, Oppo, Realme that sell products at the Samsung level but 30% cheaper. That’s why the Americans buy Apple. The Android choice is too restrictive and too expensive for what it is. Look for Xiaomi Mi 10t Lite or Realme 7 5g, compare the price with the products of the Us operators.
 
Do I really want to run anti malware software on my iPhone? Do I want to give free rains on social media companies and the way they use the user data? Apps side loading some crap once you let them in... In all honesty, in what alternative universe is that benefiting the consumer? Sure I might get apps 10%-15% cheaper from the third party store but I can also get an app with a “Trojan skimming my ApplePay from that same place”.

The fact remains, my iPhone and iPad are my most secure digital devices because all of the software has been verified by Apple and by huge number of users. If something bad happens I can always point my finger to Apple. With third parties providing the store services and the infrastructure the whole security scene will change.
How so? The only way that would ever change for you is if you were to sideload an app or download an app from someplace that doesn't have as stringent a policy as you think Apple does.

Another question, (and really for anyone against sideloading or alt app stores) why should your fear of what may happen if there are alternative app stores interfere with me wanting to put what I desire onto my phone? You won't be going to them anyhow so how would a third-party app store affect you in any way?
 
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what about apple gives people the option to unlock their phones to give access to alternate app stores but in doing so they lose access to the Apple App store and any icloud services most people wouldnt do it and maybe just having the option would appease the courts
That would be a horrible response. Imagine if Google disabled Gmail for any browser that was also logged into iCloud. There's no logical reason the two can't co-exist, it would be a completely artificial block.

What I would find acceptable is if Apple cut off warranty support and denied such phones access to the genius bar. Because in that case, they could make a reasonable argument it's increasing their support burden.
 
The consumers aren't asking for this but someone is driving it hard.
I found myself, only yesterday after cleaning a trojan from a Mac, explaining to its owner why the App Store is essential.
You need a gateway to the software you install on your device that gives you confidence that what you are installing doesn't come with more than what you expect. Either malware or spyware that wants to profile you and sell your data.
I, as an iPhone user, don't want my iPhone cracked open to all.
If Apple is forced to do this I hope they implement it as an option to the user when they setup their new device.
Just how many will say "no thanks" I predict to be the same as how many have also choosen "no" to "track me".
That's democracy.
I don’t see how those external apps could be secured, audited, scrutinized looking for malware or any other security concern.
 
They should! If you buy something it should be yours to use. How about if your Honda would only accept Certified Honda™ accessories you buy from the dealer at whatever price they set? You wouldn't agree to that, but somehow we're used to letting tech companies play by whatever monopolistic rules they set.
This is a good point. Apple saying this law would make the Iphone less secure is true but only if I choose to use another app store, just like my Honda may be less secure if I use third party parts but that is my choice
 
Let's look at this another way - would it be legal for Apple to simply turn back the clock a couple decades and release a phone that has no App Store at all? Save for security fixes and whatnot it's pretty much always the same as it was straight out of the box - just like the old days.
 
Apple doesn't have a leg to stand on here. They can still have their App Store as they've always had it while also allowing other options. If people choose those options, it is at their own risk.

Which, BTW, has never been a problem for the Mac. The only reason the Mac isn't as locked down as iOS is because it started that way, and if Apple were to lock it down it would be so obvious what they were doing that it would backfire.
 
Because if there is even a very small chance say 0000.1% that my iPhone could get infected with malware or a virus I’d rather keep things as they are.

No need to change something that has been working well for over a decade. 🔒📱❤️
Then only use apps from the Apple store, this bill does not force you to download apps from anyplace else
 
I’m sick of these grandstanding political clueless people messing with something they just don’t understand....as a customer leave our iPhone alone. I buy Apple because of the privacy and security. Stop messing with a product that 1.5b people are extremely happy with!
Alternatives to the App Store would affect you in absolutely no way. It is you that doesn't understand.
 
I’m not sure if you’re being sarcastic. 😅 So, to be clear, sure, I’ll promise!

I just want the option, on my own iPhone that I bought and paid for. Other people will decide to stick with the App Store for everything, and that’s great for them!

But do you realize that your decisions do not just affect you? If you decide to install questionable software that turns out to be malicious... you communicate and exchange information with other people. Those people likely don’t know that your device may be compromised, and are giving you information or files that could be misappropriated. The consequences are potentially far reaching, and most certainly don’t just affect those that make the same the decision you make.
 
They have patents on it and it's their right to sell it how they want. This also applies to Mac computers but Apple is having trouble closing that barn door.

I thought they'd close it when they came out with Apple Silicon, I was a little surprised (especially with the app store 15% option). They could have thrown a few billion at the apps you want or need (Zoom, MS Office, Adobe, etc.) and I think people would get on board.

If they didn't close it then, I don't know what excuse they could use in the future.

'You can't use our dev kit unless the app goes in the Mac App Store" (which seems fair) and they could let them sell it elsewhere too (as long as the App Store was the same price or less). Or they could just tell them to make their own dev kit...
 
I’m sick of these grandstanding political clueless people messing with something they just don’t understand....as a customer leave our iPhone alone. I buy Apple because of the privacy and security. Stop messing with a product that 1.5b people are extremely happy with!
Yes these politicians are grandstanding but this bill does nothing to your privacy and security unless you make that choice
 
Then only use apps from the Apple store, this bill does not force you to download apps from anyplace else

So then do you stop communicating with, or sharing data or files with, anyone else? Just because you make wise decisions... doesn’t meant that people you interact with do as well. Realize that your decisions affect more than just yourselves.
 
I guess they could open up iPhone's to the alternative app installations, but I would expect things like Apple Wallet to be disabled on compromised phones.
 
Apple doesn't have a leg to stand on here. They can still have their App Store as they've always had it while also allowing other options. If people choose those options, it is at their own risk.

Which, BTW, has never been a problem for the Mac. The only reason the Mac isn't as locked down as iOS is because it started that way, and if Apple were to lock it down it would be so obvious what they were doing that it would backfire.
Apple doesn't have to do business in ND. That probably won't come to fruition but, it is an option for Apple, should his bill or one like it pass.
 
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