Apple Privacy Chief: North Dakota Bill 'Threatens to Destroy the iPhone as You Know It'

[gavroche]

And you can still get that with this law, by the way many people share files with others using android and managed to survive just fine, you just want Apple approved apps ok, do what you want

what you and others want already exists. You can get it today. People choose Apple because they want the walled garden. Why take away their one and only choice for such protection, to just make Apple exactly the same as what you could already get with Android. If it bothers you so much, go use Android. What is stopping you?

 

[LeeW]

whatever happened toilet the market decide? Apple lowered its fees for small developers, I haven't even heard of Amazon or Google rushing to match and/or beat the prices yet.

Well, as I see it, it was only after all the criticism and the EPIC lawsuit that made Apple do something, otherwise, they would not have changed. Amazon and Google are sticking to their price, fair play to them if they can justify it.

 

[JoeShades]

what you and others want already exists. You can get it today. People choose Apple because they want the walled garden. Why take away their one and only choice for such protection, to just make Apple exactly the same as what you could already get with Android. If it bothers you so much, go use Android. What is stopping you?

And you can still use Apple's walled garden if you like, this bill does not change that, it gives you another option IF YOU CHOOSE

 

[BKDad]

Apple doesn't have a leg to stand on here. They can still have their App Store as they've always had it while also allowing other options. If people choose those options, it is at their own risk.

Which, BTW, has never been a problem for the Mac. The only reason the Mac isn't as locked down as iOS is because it started that way, and if Apple were to lock it down it would be so obvious what they were doing that it would backfire.

They probably *do* have a leg to stand on, but I am not an attorney...

I think the rub is this - imagine you install an app from a sketchy source that somehow damages you in some way. Whether it captured private material and sent it somewhere you didn't want it to go, or whether it hijacked your phone for ransom doesn't matter. Who is responsible? Wouldn't most consumers just take their iPhone to the Apple store or wherever they bought it from and scream about Apple ripping them off, and demanding recompense? OK, maybe Apple holds the line on this and tells the customer that they'll see them in court. Now what? Just what is the applicable law here? Imagine the lawsuits! Imagine the politicians grandstanding! I don't know the answer, but I don't think you can have great security, open doors, low cost, high R&D expense, and all those other competing aspects all at once.

And... The newer Apple silicon based Macs *are* more locked down. Just read about the problems people are having with making external boot drives. Or, recovery. Big Sur and Apple silicon are very different than Macs of years past. They just look similarly on the outside.

 

[liamicy]

The problem you’ll have with this is every single developer will end up having their own app store because they don’t want to lose any of their profit to a 3rd party store. This creates more hassle for consumers as you would then have to have an account for each store, each containing banking information, personal info.

All the fuss and legal battles that are going on are simply because the big developers are throwing their toys out the pram, especially in epic games case.

apple is focussed on consumers privacy and because many companies profit off the things apple is closing off, they aren’t happy. If you take this into a different perspective, you wouldn’t be able to own a property for free without paying for local taxes, services and the essentials. Apple offers a secure reputable storefront recognised by billions yet the developers moan when apple wants to take a percentage of their profits in return for access to that storefront.

 

[gavroche]

Complete nonsense

Complete nonsense

Complete nonsense? If you are actually saying that nobody else could possibly have their computer compromised, and have someone access your email, your name, your address or any of the files at that person might have on their computer, then you have the no point even being in this conversation. Because you have a lot of learning and growing up to do. Good day

 

[Pakaku]

I don't even want to deal with App Stores, I just want iOS to allow me to run what I want, just like Mac OS. It's one of those hurdles that keeps it from being a proper desktop OS replacement for me. I am absolutely willing to take responsibility for what I download, I'm already doing that on my Mac.

 

[gavroche]

And you can still use Apple's walled garden if you like, this bill does not change that, it gives you another option IF YOU CHOOSE

I give up… Time to block you. Maybe somebody else will try to come along and explain to you how other people’s bad choices can affect you not just your own bad choices.

 

[jimbobb24]

If the bill passes, and Apple is forced to offer alternative app stores to all its North Dakota customers, then I’d predict that they stop any sales to North Dakota. Or worse, they buy a few thousand Huawei phones, rename them as “iPhone ND” and that’s all the iPhones you can buy in North Dakota. You can put any store you like on your phone in North Dakota, but it won’t have iOS and no iOS apps.

How many states can they afford to cut off. North Dakota has no population (I have lived there and the nicest people in the world. If it was warmer I would live there again). But what if the UK or EU does this. I have a sense of impending doom about it because I like the current setup and I feel like the tech companies are going to lose some battles. Some they deserve to lose and some they don’t. This is one Apple doesn’t deserve to lose.

 

[itsmeaustend]

Why doesn't anybody ask users what they want? I specifically chose the iPhone because it is locked down. If I want the ability to side-load, use secondary app stores, and alternative payment methods, I'll go to Android.

Exactly. Go to Android if you want a mess. I’ll stick with my clean iOS thanks.

Wish lawmakers would keep their noses out where they don’t belong.

 

[JoeShades]

Complete nonsense? If you are actually saying that nobody else could possibly have their computer compromised, and have someone access your email, your name, your address or any of the files at that person might have on their computer, then you have the no point even being in this conversation. Because you have a lot of learning and growing up to do. Good day

Never said that get a clue, I am done with your garbage posts good day

 

[JoeShades]

Exactly. Go to Android if you want a mess. I’ll stick with my clean iOS thanks.

Wish lawmakers would keep their noses out where they don’t belong.

Where does this bill say you couldn't?

 

[warp9]

I thought they'd close it when they came out with Apple Silicon, I was a little surprised (especially with the app store 15% option). They could have thrown a few billion at the apps you want or need (Zoom, MS Office, Adobe, etc.) and I think people would get on board.

If they didn't close it then, I don't know what excuse they could use in the future.

'You can't use our dev kit unless the app goes in the Mac App Store" (which seems fair) and they could let them sell it elsewhere too (as long as the App Store was the same price or less). Or they could just tell them to make their own dev kit...

It's the same problem Microsoft had with 32-bit apps, and even 16-bit before that. Alienating a massive pre existing software base would be very bad for business. It seems Apple has no choice but to slowly cut off parts of the OS to outside apps until it's completely closed off. I predict another 5 years until it's anywhere close to that.

 

[npmacuser5]

Republican state micromanaging businesses. Do they not understand their motto, “Less Government “?

 

[JoeShades]

I give up… Time to block you. Maybe somebody else will try to come along and explain to you how other people’s bad choices can affect you not just your own bad choices.

Ok baby block me

 

[ignatius345]

Do you want to have “Windows like numbers” of security risks on your iPhone? Like to do security scans with your trust anti-malware program? Hey, remember to keep those virus definitions fresh and that power bank ready, because if you screw up your “ApplePay cards will be skimmed” or you’ll be out of power since that antivirus background process is eating your battery life like crazy

I install non- App Store software all the time. I've never experienced any of the things you're making up. Nice try though!

 

[JoeShades]

I don't even want to deal with App Stores, I just want iOS to allow me to run what I want, just like Mac OS. It's one of those hurdles that keeps it from being a proper desktop OS replacement for me. I am absolutely willing to take responsibility for what I download, I'm already doing that on my Mac.

I bet all these people that say your choices could harm others, make choices every day that could put others in harms way.

 

[Naraxus]

No, you don't own it. You have the right to throw it in a river if you like, but you don't have the right to monkey with iOS, which is wholly owned by Apple. If you want to scrub it and put a different OS on it, you can do that too but iOS does not belong to you, just like all software ever.

I never said I owned the os though did I?

 

[Rob_2811]

Exactly. Go to Android if you want a mess. I’ll stick with my clean iOS thanks.

Wish lawmakers would keep their noses out where they don’t belong.

Apart from the scam apps and the malware on the App Store you mean.

 

[JoeShades]

I install non- App Store software all the time. I've never experienced any of the things you're making up. Nice try though!

And you are still alive to talk about it? and the others you talk to have not perished?

 

[ackmondual]

“ Devastating fees “ ? Lol... the App Store has paved the path for millions of the developers to make more money than they would have ever dreamed of .... millions and in some cases billions of dollars!!!
On top it provides the piece of mind for those who choose to be on Apple’s secure walled garden platform! A distinguishing factor most of us are willing to pay a premium for!

App store has been dominated by the largest players. For most others, they struggle to make the $141 needed to break even (after Apple takes their 30% cut).

 

[mi7chy]

Actually to be fair it does. I think we all have a general trust that Apps delivered via the official store are safe to install. In the case of Android, Mac, or Windows it has been trust but verify. And if you've actually been hit cryptolockers, viruses, malware, etc. you probably have a much different opinion.

And I know from a corporate IT standpoint that would be completely unacceptable. Any work-provided phone out there would be prevented from using anything but the official App Store. you'd be crazy not to.

You have no clue what you're talking about. Work devices are locked down with MDM so you can't even install things from Apple app store. And, no one has ever gotten malware from Steam, GOG, Epic, Origin, etc.

 

[Villarrealadrian]

this should be implemented worldwide

 

[ignatius345]

And you are still alive to talk about it? and the others you talk to have not perished?

Weird, right? And I've been doing it for literally decades.

 

[Kabeyun]

North Dakota's SB 2333 is the first real, concrete legislative proposal I've seen that actually gives me hope that tech monopolies aren't going to rule the world forever. Fargo or Bismarck sound like wonderful places to set up shop under a shield against abuse

Fine, David. When an app steals your private information or brings down your phone, make sure to call the dude with the propeller beanie down the street because Apple will rightly tell you you’re SOL.