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But do you realize that your decisions do not just affect you? If you decide to install questionable software that turns out to be malicious... you communicate and exchange information with other people. Those people likely don’t know that your device may be compromised, and are giving you information or files that could be misappropriated. The consequences are potentially far reaching, and most certainly don’t just affect those that make the same the decision you make.
Freedom of choice comes with certain risks, every choice you make could potentially harm someone else
 
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IBF someone makes analogy about walking into a car dealership in ND and.......
 
How so? The only way that would ever change for you is if you were to sideload an app or download an app from someplace that doesn't have as stringent a policy as you think Apple does.

Another question, (and really for anyone against sideloading or alt app stores) why should your fear of what may happen if there are alternative app stores interfere with me wanting to put what I desire onto my phone? You won't be going to them anyhow so how would a third-party app store affect you in any way?

You mean like how Epic first tried to get users to sideload Fortnite by withholding it from the play store?

Yeah, I am sure that has zero impact on the users who wanted to download it.

Meanwhile, iOS users were happily downloading and playing the game from day one because Epic couldn’t even try such a stunt to begin with.

It has happened before, and it will happen again. These companies are not my friends, and I would sooner trust Apple to keep them honest than I would Epic.
 
The amount of people commenting here that don't understand this is astounding. It does not automatically compromise the device by having other options.

Actually to be fair it does. I think we all have a general trust that Apps delivered via the official store are safe to install. In the case of Android, Mac, or Windows it has been trust but verify. And if you've actually been hit cryptolockers, viruses, malware, etc. you probably have a much different opinion.

And I know from a corporate IT standpoint that would be completely unacceptable. Any work-provided phone out there would be prevented from using anything but the official App Store. you'd be crazy not to.
 
The amount of people commenting here that don't understand this is astounding. It does not automatically compromise the device by having other options.

it does not automatically compromise your devise. But it can, and will affect many people. And to say that if you are worried then don’t download apps from others sources is not a good argument. Because if you interact and communicate, and share files and information with anyone else, you are at risk. Think about it... if just one person gets malware, and had 1000 people in their contacts app... every single one of those people has their info compromised, regardless of how careful they are.
It’s ironic that you criticized others for commenting without understanding, yet you don’t seem to fully grasp the potential problems.
 
So then do you stop communicating with, or sharing data or files with, anyone else? Just because you make wise decisions... doesn’t meant that people you interact with do as well. Realize that your decisions affect more than just yourselves.
The familiar phrase of totalitarians throughout time, your freedom of choice affects others therefore you can have no freedom
 
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As North Dakota goes, so goes the world. Fortunately not, the state with among the highest Covid death rates, behind only Louisiana and the Northeastern states that were hit first.

Apple will suffer dearly if those 762k people don't buy iPhones. But other states could follow.
 
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A lot of crying here. There is no reason that alternative app stores would necessarily impact people who choose not to install them. Apple could maintain the same level of security as they already have, and allow alternative app stores. In fact, Apple could even require alternative app stores follow basic guidelines to ensure that those app stores were also equally secure. Apple would still be developing the APIs and the OS. I don't see why people go so all in on defending a corporation. Some people here treat this like a religion.
One massive problem though: developers will flee Apples app store because it's "cheaper" and pretty soon, my regular iphone is useless because I have no apps to choose from.

Meanwhile, all these developers are creating the worlds biggest unregulated street market of app stores and anarchy ensues. The big players quickly create their own app stores that host only their apps. Epic comes along with their app store and developers-- sick of all the nonsense on the open market-- move to the Epic store. Ten years from now, politicians are calling for the breakup of the Epic store because it's a monopoly on Epic stores.

I'm not really trying to be funny here because all of this could happen, and probably will. The only thing I even remotely support is the ability to run other operating systems, like Android.
 
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I understand its lucrative... Any company offering a digital program on recent hardware has their own store. See TV and game developers. I also understand jailbreaks are out there to circumvent these barriers where consumers do as they please - but these can get abused, giving developers\creators no compensation for their work.

I'd presume Apple's move to lower their cut to 15% on the first million is a good middle ground. I'd figure that's likely one of the lower percentages of any digital store(?)
 
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The Mac "ain't broke". Why not make iOS be not broke in the same way. Simple as that.
Do you want to have “Windows like numbers” of security risks on your iPhone? Like to do security scans with your trust anti-malware program? Hey, remember to keep those virus definitions fresh and that power bank ready, because if you screw up your “ApplePay cards will be skimmed” or you’ll be out of power since that antivirus background process is eating your battery life like crazy
 
it does not automatically compromise your devise. But it can, and will affect many people. And to say that if you are worried then don’t download apps from others sources is not a good argument. Because if you interact and communicate, and share files and information with anyone else, you are at risk. Think about it... if just one person gets malware, and had 1000 people in their contacts app... every single one of those people has their info compromised, regardless of how careful they are.
It’s ironic that you criticized others for commenting without understanding, yet you don’t seem to fully grasp the potential problems.
I use windows, many people using windows get viruses because they are irresposible, I never do because I keep my system up dated, if you choose to be lax that is your problem not mine
 
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why so many people have a problem with Apple taking 30% of developer profits on the app store. Leaving devs with 70% seems like a pretty good deal to me
Is it? How do you break it down to being a 'good deal'?

Serious question though, how can it be shown that 30% is not 20% too much and Apple is still making a serious profit from it. The issue right or wrong is that when there is only one option, App Store, Play Store, Windows Store or whatever on each platform, scrutiny follows as to how much money is too much for big companies.

I honestly don't know the answer, neither do I really care too much. When I need it the App Store is fine.

Although there is a lot of complaining about the 30%, I wonder if they reduced it all the way down to 5%, would the developers pass that saving to me? Probably not, so I agree purely on a 'my opinion' basis that 70% of the sale for not having to handle all the downloads, payments, refunds, fraud and so on, seems fair. That is a lot of work developers don't need to worry about.
 
I dont like this at all because I love the current set up. Playstation does this and no one cares.

Of all the problematic close to monopolies in tech Apple App Store in the least. Facebook, google, Twitter, even Amazon are bigger problems.
 
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Does this include kindle, such a ripoff I can't get any books from other vendors. How about my car, shouldn't I be able to get upgrades on my car electronics instead of just using carmakers firmware. My thermostats, can I get other software to run on them? I hate the software on my Samsung TV, I call it a not-so-smart TV, can I get apps from other app stores? My microwave, I want to take pictures with other apps (a shoutout to twittyAnne Conway, if anyone forgot)

Oh and best of all, can I sell stuff on amazon, but pay through another vendor and bypass the egregious Amazon fees? WhooHoo!
 
The familiar phrase of totalitarians throughout time, your freedom of choice affects others therefore you can have no freedom

Thats a hogwash argument. Of course you still have freedom. You could freely choose a different phone/os. One that has the app choices you want. You can already buy other phones that are virtually identical in every way, with a different but similar operating system. If you are so hell bent on an unwalled garden... guess what, you can already get that today.
 
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Many people get viruses on Windwos yet I have manged for 20 years to do many important things like Banking online with no issues, I think we can survive another app store
 
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I think the article should have mentioned that the proposed law only applies to "proprietor of a digital application distribution platform for which cumulative gross receipts from sales on the digital application distribution platform to residents of [North Dakota] exceed ten million dollars in the previous or current calendar year"

There's a few posts on here which suggests Apple's only option is to allow a third party App Store or prevent ND residents from using the App Store at all. A third option is to cut rates to 0% (or cap their gross revenue at $10m) so ND residents can still access the App Store and Apple can still maintain privacy, security, and all the other benefits they provide with a closed environment.

If I were a ND resident, I'd argue that the law should look at gross profit, not gross revenue, so that Apple can still recoup the costs related to operating the App Store.
 
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Is it? How do you break it down to being a 'good deal'?

Serious question though, how can it be shown that 30% is not 20% too much and Apple is still making a serious profit from it. The issue right or wrong is that when there is only one option, App Store, Play Store, Windows Store or whatever on each platform, scrutiny follows as to how much money is too much for big companies.

I honestly don't know the answer, neither do I really care too much. When I need it the App Store is fine.

Although there is a lot of complaining about the 30%, I wonder if they reduced it all the way down to 5%, would the developers pass that saving to me? Probably not, so I agree purely on a 'my opinion' basis that 70% of the sale for not having to handle all the downloads, payments, refunds, fraud and so on, seems fair. That is a lot of work developers don't need to worry about.
whatever happened toilet the market decide? Apple lowered its fees for small developers, I haven't even heard of Amazon or Google rushing to match and/or beat the prices yet.
 
Apple is honestly asking for this by banning apps like Parler as well as the ones used in Hong Kong protests. They manage just fine with software installations outside the app store for Macs. Why should this be any different?
I had not thought about this as revenge for those but that actually makes sense. Once Apple went political some people were going to punch back.

I still don’t like it at all. I love the walled garden.
 
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Thats a hogwash argument. Of course you still have freedom. You could freely choose a different phone/os. One that has the app choices you want. You can already buy other phones that are virtually identical in every way, with a different but similar operating system. If you are so he’ll bent in am I walled garden... guess what, you can already get that today.
And you can still get that with this law, by the way many people share files with others using android and managed to survive just fine, you just want Apple approved apps ok, do what you want
 
Good. Hopefully this bill (and many more like it) become law.

I, not Apple own my phone.
No, you don't own it. You have the right to throw it in a river if you like, but you don't have the right to monkey with iOS, which is wholly owned by Apple. If you want to scrub it and put a different OS on it, you can do that too but iOS does not belong to you, just like all software ever.
 
I use windows, many people using windows get viruses because they are irresposible, I never do because I keep my system up dated, if you choose to be lax that is your problem not mine
Actually, it is your problem too: unless you happen to never share information, or files, or photos, or anything with anyone. If they become compromised, so do you.
 
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I 100% support this legislation and in the continued spirit of ‘anti big tech’ I’d like to also see an iron clad law stating that humans own their own data in perpetuity throughout all formats and cannot be compelled to sign away that ownership in exchange for services or ‘protection’. We need to take back granular control of our internet footprint.
 
Exactly. It’s easy to imagine different states taking different approaches to tech company regulation and Apple (or any tech company) ending up in a position where it cannot comply with the laws of all states at once.
California and some aggressive states do this all the time. And I agree it’s trash. The commerce cause should have given congress the power to overrule laws that impede trade between and even within states. But it would be tricky to do and likely end up with Congress running everything. I doubt many states want that.
 
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