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Apple Promotes Face ID as Even Easier and More Secure Than Touch ID in Humorous New iPhone Ad
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How could it be faster if you have to do two things (starring and swiping) instead of one (touch)....
I have as well, and do not agree that either is "vastly superior" to the other. In fact, I have had very few problems with either, ever. I guess that makes your claim less conclusive.
At least touch id is consistent . I know it won’t work when my finger is wet or when i wear gloves .
Face id randomly fails in sunlight and other situations it’s a mess.
Criticising a product is not quite hating it. I like Apple and spend a lot of money with them, have done for decades. I even like FaceID too - when it works, it's great. It's just that when they finally fixed TouchID, it worked for me 100% of the time. To go from that to 50% of the time is worth mentioning. I still think FaceID is the way to go generally speaking, I just don't think they've perfected it yet -
1. they need to allow closer face recognition (wider lens? iris scanning? I don't know…)
2. it needs to work perfectly at night, in bright sunlight, when face squished, etc
3. it needs to correct for eyeglasses
Defenders to these points seem to be saying,
1) don't use it in bed
2) wave it around like a trombone.
3) Don't turn on glance recognition.
4) assume multiple personalities, with and without glasses.
These fixes "work", but they're really just reiterating the shortcomings of the system.
I will admit that Touch ID was not for everyone - I know a few who had difficulties, and there are some clear examples in this thread - and for some people I know Face ID works flawlessly.
1. they need to allow closer face recognition (wider lens? iris scanning? I don't know…)
2. it needs to work perfectly at night, in bright sunlight, when face squished, etc
3. it needs to correct for eyeglasses
Defenders to these points seem to be saying,
1) don't use it in bed
2) wave it around like a trombone.
3) Don't turn on glance recognition.
4) assume multiple personalities, with and without glasses.
These fixes "work", but they're really just reiterating the shortcomings of the system.
I will admit that Touch ID was not for everyone - I know a few who had difficulties, and there are some clear examples in this thread - and for some people I know Face ID works flawlessly.
So you'll be sticking with your current Face ID iPhone then? Cuz I know no normal person would judge something that they haven't tried, so based on your post, you currently have an iPhone with Face ID which you won't be replacing until Touch ID comes back, right?
Not really sure where in my post I said I had no interest. Feel free to point that out.
Touch ID is one in 50,000 ?? And millions of people are using that for banking, email, logins etc???
I think this is more telling on Apple's clever marketing than anything else
What they are really telling us is instead of upgrading the security of the fingerprint sensor they chose the facial route not because it is more reliable, just they chose some pro's of facial over fingerprint. But they could of put a far more accurate fingerprint sensor with its different set of pro's.
But either way the user has got a more reliable/accurate sensor but its implied as a no brainier option but that's because of the accuracy over an inferior previous sensor
Its unlikely we can fathom out the accuracy they use as its probability vs non probability sampling
It would be reasonable to assume probability sampling ie a representative sample of population trying to unlock your phone the odds for facial recognition would drop drastically and likely worse that an equivalent finger sensor
But of course using non probability sampling and new vs old sensor the numbers seem far more impressive
However it is an improvement but not necessarily for reasons many seem to think
What they are really telling us is instead of upgrading the security of the fingerprint sensor they chose the facial route not because it is more reliable, just they chose some pro's of facial over fingerprint. But they could of put a far more accurate fingerprint sensor with its different set of pro's.
But either way the user has got a more reliable/accurate sensor but its implied as a no brainier option but that's because of the accuracy over an inferior previous sensor
Its unlikely we can fathom out the accuracy they use as its probability vs non probability sampling
It would be reasonable to assume probability sampling ie a representative sample of population trying to unlock your phone the odds for facial recognition would drop drastically and likely worse that an equivalent finger sensor
But of course using non probability sampling and new vs old sensor the numbers seem far more impressive
However it is an improvement but not necessarily for reasons many seem to think
Yes, really. And I tried unlocking my Max with "Attention Required" on with one eye closed. Didn't work 5x in a row. I did find if I made an effort to relax my face, 3x in 5 it did unlock. Apparently I scrunch one side of my older face when I close one eye.
Now is the commercial doable? Yes. Under certain / limited conditions that commercials never get into.
Biggest pita? I go to unlock the phone via Face ID, it fails and goes to the pin screen. In the middle of entering the pin, the device unlocks and I launch whatever app my finger touches.
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If they can do under screen based Touch ID then they can ask for two finger Touch ID. No jokes please!
I prefer fingerprint and won't upgrade either. I don't understand why they think they have to choose and can't offer both, fingerprint on the back would be acceptable. Other devices are leaping over apple in terms of features, it's discouraging.
Yea, that would be fiddly if you couldn't put it down. Do noses have unique prints?
Never tried that!
yeah, I read your post, picked my Max up and promptly dropped it trying to get two fingers one handed.
Dropped into lap
And one use case I have is unlocking in the car, where the cameras are well out of view but I can easily reach and unlock with a touch. I don't want to be picking the phone up to do that.
Technically it's not wrong to say that it is more secure as they do sample more points.
But to you are right that 1/50000 or 1/1000000 false positives doesn't matter, yet the later can be marketed as 20x more safe.
Apologies. I should try out my own experiments before letting them loose on other people .I guess touching the phone with your nose and one finger is pretty much the sake as using Face ID
At least it seems that way when it is refusing to unlock for me.Face ID is the worst! I want Touch ID back. I never once had to place my finger on the home button more than one time to unlock my phone. It was 100% reliable (for me at least). And I didn’t have to hold my phone directly in front of my unobstructed face to unlock it. Face ID is slow, unreliable, and a damn inconvenience to use. BRING BACK TOUCH ID!
I wonder if you need to use it in those types of situations to allow the system to learn the nuances of your face...
I don't know, but I rarely use it in those types of situations, but, I just tried and it worked, and the face with a pillow its tricky, it has to view you from the angle that its not covered, I had mi face covered about 15% with the pillow and the phone was like 50cm away ish maybe more, and it worked, but when it was closer, it wasn't working.
* Also, iOS 13 beta on the phone.
I cant tell if your being serious or not, I'm not sure if its any better, but it is different. I still struggle with swiping down on the correct side of the notch sometimes. Which I also struggle with home button devices when I want to pull up control center.