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Apple Pulls Older Software From 'Purchased' Tab in Mac App Store

MacinMan said:
So maybe in their defense by pulling the software rids them of all liabilities if something were to happen, so they're basically if you want older software run it at your own risk, we're no longer liable if something happens.
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In our sad modern world of "ligate first, ask questions later" this is a definite possibility. However, if that's how Apple is going to operate let everyone know that's what the rules are. If I knew Apple was going to pull this dick move I would have started making my own installer DVDs years ago. I'm upset at myself as it is for not seeing this as a future move, but it still pisses me off that Apple did this (assuming everything does not come back magically) without warning its users that such a change was in the offing.
 
This is exactly why I've made copies of the installer on my external hard drive every year before I install it. I should have as far back as Lion (although I have that one on a DVD if I'm missing it).

I don't agree with them doing this per say but at least I was personally prepared for it.
 
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MacinMan said:
Hey all,

I've read most of the pages of comments here on this thread. There are many valid points made by different groups of users here, and I appreciate and agree with most for the most part. However getting to about page 8 of comments There is one point no one seems to have made which I want to bring out now.

From my understanding in recent months. All versions of mac os x before Yosemite 10.10.5 have un patched security holes. and some major one3s. I don't have the information in front of me at the moment, and I don't know specifics. and Aperture I can't speak for. OS X however may have been pulled so apple isn't liable for any attacks on unlatched software. So maybe in their defense by pulling the software rids them of all liabilities if something were to happen, so they're basically if you want older software run it at your own risk, we're no longer liable if something happens.

I have my os x installers backed up personally so i didn't even know they were missing until i saw this article.
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You're right and it's a reasonable point. However, there are many situations where this isn't a major issue. As just one example, I paid £140 for Logic 9 - if I want to reinstall that on an older mac that isn't going to be online, I should be able to, because I paid £140 for it! Installing/backing up Logic Pro is not as trivial as many apps too, especially with all the additional content.

Like you, I back up the installers for OS X anyway - but that isn't the point. Apple are trying to sell the cloud and the app store as a reliable place to be able to get your apps from, and situations like this just damage the whole idea. By all means they could put up a warning before downloading to say 'this is old and may have security issues, do you really want to download it', but they still shouldn't take away the option, arguably even more so for anything you actually paid for.

Still hoping this will get fixed soon anyway.
 
BasicGreatGuy said:
They deserve criticism because many users didn't do what they were supposed to do, and assumed things that the user agreement didn't state?
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I actually don't think this is the case:
Throughout the "purchase" experience, apple used terms like "Buy Now" and "Purchase", not "Lease" or "Rent", those words have an implication of a permanent transfer of OWNERSHIP (of either the software, or it's license) to the consumer. And Apple own statements such as "Buy, Download, and Redownload" without a explicit time limit, or a mention that the user is expected to make copies sets up a reasonable expectation in the mind of the consumer that they OWN this software and Apple is simply storing it for them.



BasicGreatGuy said:
I have had movies disappear from the store that I had purchased. I didn't complain about it being Apple's fault for not making the movies available for as long as I think I am entitled. I backed up my purchases. The responsibility was mine.
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Again, I think this is a problem being that apple (and other digital distributors) are positioning themselves as competitors to physical purchases, having your purchases disappear is a violation of the users' reasonable expectation in that case. Apple doesn't "long-term Rent you a movie", or "Temporarily Lease you the movie" they "SELL" you the movie, which implies an actual "sale" just like Walmart, except that "SELL" implies permanence, which vendors such as Walmart honor, but digital vendors such as Apple do not.

If I buy a toaster, it's my toaster forever until it breaks, the toaster company cannot come and take it back when they no longer feel like me having it.
 
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jlnr said:
Where?
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Go to https://developer.apple.com/downloads/

Log in with your developer id.

Then scroll down to release date October 26, 2007 and click on the + toggle for Mac OS X Server v10.5 Leopard Build 9A581

and release date Aug 12, 2009 and click on the + toggle for Mac OS X Server version 10.6 Snow Leopard build 10A433

Then download the dmg files.

These are the golden masters for Leopard Server and Snow Leopard Server so you should also get the 10.5.8 and 10.6.8 Server combo updates from

https://support.apple.com/kb/DL897?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US

and

https://support.apple.com/kb/DL1402?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US

or also they are alternatively available in the developer site too.
 
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How dare Apple. I paid money for those versions of OSX and for iPhoto which I intent to continue using - so to remove me from being able to download things I paid money for is a downright dirty move.
 
So is Vladmir Putin now running Apple or something? Apple is acting more and more like a dictator every day.... and people wonder why the world uses things like Bit Torrent. Copyrights last for nearly a century; I think Apple should have to host that software for those that bought it for nearly a century unless they want to give up their copyrights. Companies that sell things only online should have to keep them online for as long as their copyrights last because that is the price that should be paid for not giving users physical copies of their software. As for backing up these things yourself, many other companies have fought tooth and nail against your ability to backup their software. They claim you don't NEED a backup (I have Nintendo games that clearly state as such in the manual). Clearly, you do as this demonstrates.
 
Excuse me. But if I purchased Lion for my Mac Pro 1,1 for $19 then I own a license to use this software. Please refund my purchase since you stole it from me.
BUT... If you have Windows XP you can run iOS 9 with iTunes 12.1.3.
What's next? Buyout Microsoft and drop OSX?
No, here's what is coming down the pike... Elimination of Intel desktops and rollout of A10 desktop systems. They are conditioning us already... Look at the performance of the entry level Mac mini, 1.4 Ghz.
 
What was once the most exciting and innovative computer co. of the 20th century, to one of the most hostile in the 21rst.IMO. Very sad.
 
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If they are going to do this then all software purchased that is no longer accessible should be refunded. Typical Apple - dictating to customer's and not asking. People paid for the software - their decision.
 
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tywebb13 said:
Then scroll down to release date October 26, 2007 and click on the + toggle for Mac OS X Server v10.5 Leopard Build 9A581

and release date Aug 12, 2009 and click on the + toggle for Mac OS X Server version 10.6 Snow Leopard build 10A433
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Interestingly, I just visited this very location and neither of these are in the list of available downloads. Now, I'm at the very lowest (as in freebie) level of developerhood, so perhaps I'm not seeing these because I don't have enough developer mojo (or something). Anyone else see these as available downloads?
 
jasnw said:
Interestingly, I just visited this very location and neither of these are in the list of available downloads. Now, I'm at the very lowest (as in freebie) level of developerhood, so perhaps I'm not seeing these because I don't have enough developer mojo (or something). Anyone else see these as available downloads?
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You'd need to be at the paid level of the developer program to see those.
 
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