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Apple Pulls Older Software From 'Purchased' Tab in Mac App Store

apple_iBoy said:
Tangentially related — in 2006 I got the first edition of the Mac Pro. It's probably the very best computer I've ever owned. It's no longer my primary machine at home, but I moved it into my lab for my students to use. When they find out they're using a 9 year old machine, they're blown away. In this case, Apple in its capriciousness decided that Lion was the end of the line for those machines, and put roadblocks in the way to prevent them from booting up in any subsequent version of OS X. Long story short, these "64-bit machines" (as they were sold to us) don't run in 64 bits while during the boot-up process, and Apple has declined to provide a 32-bit compatible EFI file from Mountain Lion on. After letting the (real) geniuses on this board and elsewhere do their thing and come up with the protocols, I've had every version of OS X installed up through Yosemite on that machine, and it's been at 100% runtime, year after year after year. (The only real issue seems to be that base model 2006 Mac Pros had a graphics card that isn't supported in later versions of OS X — but if you didn't replace that dog of a card, you're probably also not in the population too concerned about running an up-to-date OS).

So anyway, point is, Apple makes decisions about these things that do not always appear to be with the user in mind.

edited to clean up some typos caused by my furious rage.
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I know, I have an old 2006 MP at work that has been purposefully obsoleted. And it has an upgraded 8800GT card in it so it could very well run the latest OS.

What did I do with it? I put a SSD in it, and it's running Windows 7 as a PC. I even tested Windows 10 on it, and it runs it just fine, in 64bit no less.
 
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adam9c1 said:
If this model stays then Apple hardware will be purchased by:
people who are loaded and don't care and will have their machines on a short replacement cycle
people who have no idea what they are doing

This will seriously cripple IT support business.
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If you look at a lot of the new Macs being sold these days, that's exactly what they're hoping for I think. Completely sealed, virtually unrepairable, non upgradeable units that we're expected to just replace any time Apple decides "meh, we're done supporting that model now", especially since it looks like they may have set a precedent now for just pulling access to the last version of an OS that Mac will support. These things aren't phones that can be bought with a subsidy, they're expensive pieces of equipment costing a substantial amount of a monthly pay check.

Just out of curiosity, how many people saying this is fine and that people should move to latest and greatest without moaning, had MobileMe subscriptions? If I remember right Apple gave quite a bit of notice that was going away and gave a firm date it would be unavailable, giving people time to sort their stuff out. Now, imagine if you'd just got up one day and MobileMe was gone with all your stuff. Fair or a dick move?

Bringing that to today, we're being pushed to use iCloud for just about everything. Imagine switching on your devices tomorrow and iCloud was gone, along with all your photos, videos, documents, matched music and emails. Yes, we're told to backup but not everyone (in the normal consumer world) would do this every day religiously. But with this move - if permanent - it says Apple could just end iCloud tomorrow and bye bye all your stuff. Still OK?

flaw600 said:
Except they don't force users to run the latest version of iOS.
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Up to a point they do. It gets pushed as an update to devices that barely support it, even downloading in the background taking space on those devices that some users (like my Mum) would have no idea about. Once you install it and find it makes your device unreliable or a poor experience you have no easy consumer facing way of rolling that device back, and even if you figure it out you have a limited time before Apple stops signing the older software and you can't go back anyway. Stuck on the new OS with a phone or iPad that is virtually unusable now. That's a forced upgrade to iOS up to a point because users will generally just click update when they get a notification that the new iOS is available. Why? Because there is an expectation that if Apple are pushing it to their devices it will work just fine. Oops, not always the case.
 
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Bending Pixels said:
There's been plenty of warning that iPhoto and Aperture are at their End of Days. There comes a point to where it's time to move on.
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Having plenty of warning of something does not make it a good thing, it would help if there was a clear upgrade path from Aperture to something else (with out loosing adjustments).

It is also a disincentive to buy videos or music from iTunes since those may be approaching their "End of Days" too.
 
While I'm in support position I do see the move of HARDWARE move to sealed units due to the thinner lighter = better.

HARDWARE support is only marginal money maker. SOFTWARE support is where it's at. If Appl takes away this then I see many many shops scrambling and moving to TOR r ENT as a band aid.
 
Honestly things like this just push people to piracy. Why would I ever buy another pro application from Apple (I bought Aperture) when they could just take it away? They don't sell boxed copies of their software anymore so why am I going to pay for it when they can just yank it any time they feel like it's "obsolete"?

Once again the pirates get a better experience than paying customers.
 
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Also, software vendors should be held accountable to follow truth-in-advertising. The App Store should say 'RENTED' instead of 'Purchased', because the buyer is just renting the license to use the software.
 
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This is a super bummer. I'm glad that I made bootables of all the OS X since Leopard before this happened.
 
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Steve121178 said:
Do you really plan on installing Lion & Mountain Lion on your computers? It's old. Let it go.
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Oh, okay. Because some idiot on a web forum tells me to let it go, I will.

I mean, I shouldn't care that upgrading from ML will break parallels 7. What's 80 bucks to upgrade that? And I shouldn't worry about years of apps that run perfectly on my current setup that may or may not work on the latest version. If I have to spend 10's of hours sorting what what can be fixed and giving up on what can't it doesn't matter because Stevie on macrumors says it's old let it go.

My current system running ML works perfectly for me. I read mac rumours, I see what the newer versions have, and I have zero interest in anything newer. I don't use any iToyz and aside from crippling the desktop to match the iToyz, making the desktop look like an iToy and better integration with iToyz, I really don't see anything El Capitan does that ML doesn't do better.

Even the latest version of Safari throws function out the window for some twisted iToy aesthetic. So I can turn the full address back on (who actually thinks it's a good idea to hide it), but what's with the stupid overlapping tabs? I guess in Cupertino, all they have to do is make sure apple.com runs fine in a single tab.

So really it's old, let it go? I should let go of a system that works perfectly because you think the software is too old?

Well if I let it go, i will run windows 10 before I run Yosemite or El Capitan. And Apple's pressure to upgrade to the latest version is a huge part of the reason.
 
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If it was purchased with $$$ then Apple has no right to remove it from redownloading. If it was 'purchased', then perhaps you need to look into the newest iteration of that software.
 
I don't think it is right. But then again I'm still infuriated with Apple for dropping Aperture after I spent thousands, if not tens of thousands, of hours cataloging a lifetime of professional images in the program that I purchased. Also a lot of excellent scanners and printers do not work with the latest software, so it is nice to have an old machine around just scanning or some video-capture card I paid several thousand dollars for, and I still have files in that format. The pre-app-store FinalCut comes to mind. I think the kernel flaw is in the app-store business model. What on earth would any developer, including Apple, bother with updates if they can never charge for them? At the minimum they should give us notice if we purchased it so we can download a copy.
 
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DevNull0 said:
Oh, okay. Because some idiot on a web forum tells me to let it go, I will.

I mean, I shouldn't care that upgrading from ML will break parallels 7. What's 80 bucks to upgrade that? And I shouldn't worry about years of apps that run perfectly on my current setup that may or may not work on the latest version. If I have to spend 10's of hours sorting what what can be fixed and giving up on what can't it doesn't matter because Stevie on macrumors says it's old let it go.

My current system running ML works perfectly for me.
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So you don't need to upgrade then. Worse case scenario you can still do a system recovery and you can still download it from reputable websites & use something like DiskMakerX to create a bootable installer. No biggie.
 
I had to go through hoops a week ago to purchase Lion when my better half updated her iPhone to iOS 9 and we discovered she could no longer sync with her plastic MacBook (running Snow Leopard). This was after she added a lot of names, etc. onto her MacBook to be used on her iPhone. iOS 9 requires iTunes 12 which requires Lion or later. And of course nothing newer than Lion can be installed on the MacBook.
 
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SSD-GUY said:
I have the "Install Mavericks" application saved in my Applications folder. How can I save this, like on to an external USB or something, or better yet, upload it to Dropbox?

Can anyone help?
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Yea man either DropBox, external, etc. Just as you would backup any file. Also create a bootable USB, BUT do not delete that install file.
 
What has made me smile is that I have versions of Windows going all the way back to 95 - good old Microsoft.

Now who's being autocratic?
 
kwikdeth said:
its ok, all you people with the refrain "you need to just accept it and move on" are people who havent yet been bitten by Apple pulling this kind of stunt. its ok, it will happen to you too in time and you too can sit there and rage at your screen when somebody who doesnt know your use case tells you you're __________ for not "dealing with it"
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No dude, there are still people trying to find ways to support this move. Absolutely ridiculous.
 
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sw1tcher said:
You three paid to rent software from Apple for an undisclosed amount of time. You do not own the software. Now Apple has decided that they no longer wish to make accessible to you said software for which you paid good money for.
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The "rental" fee was strongly implied to be a perpetual license.
 
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