Apple Registers 7 Unreleased Mac Notebooks in Eurasian Database

[Zdigital2015]

I really don't see ARM in the line up. While there are a lot of people looking for it there are a lot of reasons its not in the cards. As good as the A series chips are they aren't like general purpose CPU's like AMD or Intel chips.

I do see the possibility of seeing AMD Ryzen! Given the ID numbers are so different from older models I'm wondering if that maybe what Apple is up to. Or maybe its FaceID or even version of Mini LED based display (like the new Mac Pro XDR display)

I like your optimism, but AMD has absolutely nothing in the laptop space to match Coffee Lake R (9th Gen H-Series) and Apple isn't going to optimize for Ryzen.

All of the other stuff is at least another year away.
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They are 10nm?

Yes

 

[Nautilus007]

I noticed that the Tech Specs of the new XDR Pro Display mention 96W host charging. The current MBP is only 87W, maybe a sign of a new model coming ?

Maybe its just for future proofing.

 

[fokmik]

There is an 10nm 45w for an possible sept/oct 16” mbp release?

 

[sinksinksink]

I really don't see ARM in the line up. While there are a lot of people looking for it there are a lot of reasons its not in the cards. As good as the A series chips are they aren't like general purpose CPU's like AMD or Intel chips.

I do see the possibility of seeing AMD Ryzen! Given the ID numbers are so different from older models I'm wondering if that maybe what Apple is up to. Or maybe its FaceID or even version of Mini LED based display (like the new Mac Pro XDR display)

I'm almost certain there is a version of MacOS at Apple running on ARM based chips right now and has been for some time. They're no more or less 'general purpose' than the Intel CISC chips inside current Macs, they just have different requirements for compilation and use less/more RAM.

After all, the original PowerPC chips were RISC chips (so closer to the A series than current Macs in terms of design).

Given that a tiny passively cooled iPhone can compete on single threaded performance with a 15" MBP, it would seem to be inevitable (maybe not this refresh, but soon), especially since Apple is designing its own chips. It could be a game changer if they do it right.

 

[DanBig]

I like your optimism, but AMD has absolutely nothing in the laptop space to match Coffee Lake R (9th Gen H-Series) and Apple isn't going to optimize for Ryzen.

All of the other stuff is at least another year away.
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Yes

Did you see the new Zen2 chips AMD just rolled out? While the ones shown are desktop chips, AMD also has laptop versions as well (people had to sign NDA's in the back room!) Trust me, Intel has a real contender on their heels in both markets! Both more powerful and run cooler!

 

[Ener Ji]

Exciting stuff for Mac fans...but leaves me in a quandary.

Was seriously considering upgrading to a 2019 MBP 15" next month. But, I'd love a 16" screen along with some other possible benefits and future proofing likely to arrive in a redesign, such as 802.11ax, face ID (and I'd love if better webcam tags along as part of the Face ID design), but not really interested in paying substantially more than the current 15" for equivalent CPU/GPU/RAM/Storage. The current model (as I'd like to configure it) is already near the upper limit of what I'd like to pay. The 16" might price me out, especially if Apple makes a machine worthy of the "Pro" moniker.

If I wait and decide the 15" is still the right fit for needs, I'll have spent several months without the benefits of upgrading. Ahh, the eternal conflict of waiting or not for the next technological improvement. Decisions, decisions...

 

[nexusrule]

Why Apple stopped making 17-inch MacBook Pro and start making 16-inch instead?

Because due to modern technologies (namely Liquid Retina) that didn’t exist 2 years ago now they can make a 16” with a 15” footprint?

 

[TheShadowKnows!]

The echo chamber appears to be pretty big, though:

https://www.zdnet.com/article/apple...l-suffering-from-butterfly-keyboard-problems/
https://www.businessinsider.com/apple-butterfly-keyboard-macbook-issues-timeline-2019-4
https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/21/...-keyboard-problems-apple-repair-new-materials
https://www.forbes.com/sites/ewansp...butterfly-keyboard-serious-problem-confirmed/
https://ifixit.org/blog/14776/apples-butterfly-keyboard-continues-to-plague-macbook-owners/
https://www.engadget.com/2019/03/27/apple-3rd-gen-butterfly-keyboard-problems/
https://www.apple.com/support/keyboard-service-program-for-mac-notebooks/
https://www.macworld.com/article/3385043/apple-apology-macbook-keyboard-butterfly-fail.html
https://www.cultofmac.com/545441/macbook-butterfly-keyboard-problems-recall-petition/
https://www.techrepublic.com/articl...-butterfly-keyboards-at-basecamp-have-failed/
https://www.laptopmag.com/articles/macbook-pro-air-keyboard-problems
http://fortune.com/2019/03/27/apple-apology-macbook-butterfly-keyboard-problem/
https://www.pcworld.com/article/338...ples-butterfly-keyboard-problem-buy-a-pc.html

But HEY, we'll take your word for it and put our money where your mouth is.

And, the all-time winner: Joanna Stern's Personal Technology, WSJ video:

https://www.wsj.com/video/series/jo...terflies/FCDC05B7-3D53-4D75-9444-FA0BFB5F94B5

 

[Zdigital2015]

Did you see the new Zen2 chips AMD just rolled out? While the ones shown are desktop chips, AMD also has laptop versions as well (people had to sign NDA's in the back room!) Trust me, Intel has a real contender on their heels in both markets! Both more powerful and run cooler!

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Well, that's great, since AMD has not been able to provide a compelling solution in that segment for a long time.

But the fact remains that Apple is never going to switch to AMD for CPUs. If Apple does switch CPUs for the Mac it will be to an ARM variant of their in-house A-Series. I still think Apple will retain Intel on the high end (iMac Pro, Mac Pro and MacBook Pro =TRUCKS) and use the A-Series on the lower end (MacBook, MacBook Air=CARS) and where the mini and iMac fall is still a bit of a question mark, although probably A-Series once it is able to ramp up CPU power. I still see AMD GPUs in the mix, but never the CPUs.

That being said, I cannot help but want to build a Ryzen 9 3950X for my own diabolical schemes, but I digress.

 

[BigBoy2018]

Butterfly keyboards aren't going anywhere because they aren't nearly the problem believed here in the echo chamber.

OK. Tell that to the dedicated extended warranty program that covers all of them.

Thank you @ignatius345 ! Slam dunk. Discussion over.

 

[Zdigital2015]

There is an 10nm 45w for an possible sept/oct 16” mbp release?

Nope, no 10nm 45w H-Series until Q4/2020 or Q1/2021. The 10-core Comet Lake H-Series will be released in Q2/2020 if reports are to be believed...of course I keep hearing rumblings of Q4 2019, so I take it with a grain of salt.

 

[Peperino]

Knowing Apple it will be a 5th generation keyboard with everything soldered so if a single keyboard brakes you need to change the entire computer (so much for environmentally friendly design)

 

[Ener Ji]

Then why create the keyboard repair warranty program?

I think the repair warranty for 2015-2018 butterfly keyboards is warranted. I hope that extending it to the 2019 models is simply to reassure skittish buyers, and that the "material" changes in the 2019 keyboard really help with reliability.

There is an 10nm 45w for an possible sept/oct 16” mbp release?

No. 10nm 45W (per leaked roadmaps) isn't expected until at least 2021 or 2022! In the meantime, Intel will offer a 10-core 45W processor next year, and then a 10-core processor with a more powerful 10nm graphics chiplet.

Did you see the new Zen2 chips AMD just rolled out? While the ones shown are desktop chips, AMD also has laptop versions as well (people had to sign NDA's in the back room!) Trust me, Intel has a real contender on their heels in both markets! Both more powerful and run cooler!

The Zen 2's (Ryzen 3000) series looks very impressive, but it's commonly believed that AMD has optimized and focused on desktop designs at least at first. I'm sure they will roll out mobile processors, but I don't believe they are expected to have a top-to-bottom portfolio of mobile CPUs (like Intel does) any time soon.

 

[Peperino]

In case you have any doubts, too see how pathetic the design of the current Macbook Pro is...

https://www.businessinsider.com/apple-macbook-pro-repairs-touch-bar-2019-6

 

[DanBig]

I'm almost certain there is a version of MacOS at Apple running on ARM based chips right now and has been for some time. They're no more or less 'general purpose' than the Intel CISC chips inside current Macs, they just have different requirements for compilation and use less/more RAM.

After all, the original PowerPC chips were RISC chips (so closer to the A series than current Macs in terms of design).

Given that a tiny passively cooled iPhone can compete on single threaded performance with a 15" MBP, it would seem to be inevitable (maybe not this refresh, but soon), especially since Apple is designing its own chips. It could be a game changer if they do it right.

Wishful thinking!

Don't confuse Apples Coding direction within the hardware space. Having a simpler code space for the iPadOS and MacOS makes a lot of sense! And its likely a iPad clamshell system will show up replacing the current MacBook line (still quite awhile for that). But that's not a MacBook or MacBook Pro, or other Mac system. Apple's A Series APU chips are not as versatile or offer the same framework AMD/Intel CPU's do.

Don't get me wrong! I like my iPad for what it is. And I do see tablets as gaining ground and they will push the bottom of the laptop market.

 

[Eduardo75890]

This is probably a spec bump update. We know Dell will be shipping an Intel 10th generation Y-series Ice Lake processor in its XPS 13 2-in-1 in July. This is the same series processor used in the MacBook and MacBook Air.

But we just had a spec bump in a little while ago though

 

[A MacBook lover]

This will be you
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Thank you. That gave me the best laugh of the day!

 

[Baymowe335]

You have drank to much Courageous Magical kool aid my friend.
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Why though, they had no problem with waiting four years to update before.



After reading this I can not take you seriously anymore...

Come back with a fact and I'll take you seriously.

 

[DanBig]

But we just had a spec bump in a little while ago though

You never know! Apple could surprise us with something very different!

 

[Janichsan]

Butterfly keyboards aren't going anywhere because they aren't nearly the problem believed here in the echo chamber.

If they really weren't that little of a problem, Apple wouldn't desperately scramble to fix their issues with four revisions in four years, and they wouldn't preemptively add the machines with the most recent revision to the keyboard repair program.

No matter how high the failure rate of the butterfly keyboards actually is, the number is clearly still too high.

 

[4487549]

Ooooh, no new MBP's for the next 2-3 years please, I've just taken delivery of an 8-core fire hazard with a soon-to-be dodgy keyboard and I don't want to die of buyers remorse in September

About to take the same plunge, and have made peace with notion of Apple releasing the mythical unicorn anytime in the next year would be a good problem to have but I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[ghanwani]

I just placed an order for a 13" MBP a few days ago. Does this mean I should cancel and wait? My pref would be for a nTB with Gen 4 keyboard, but I'm settling for TB because the nTB has not been updated. I'm only updating for the keyboard, otherwise my 2017 nTB is doing fine.

 

[Zdigital2015]

How about a 12" MB with an i9-9900 cpu, and a cheese grater bottom from the Pro XDR display back, and optional wheels.

Still resentful from the Apple Engineering interview that went bad?! /s
[doublepost=1560448316][/doublepost]Hard to believe it took until 2019 for Intel to finally embrace LPDDR4. Anyone wonder how long before the Mac Pro gets PCIe 4.0/5.0?

Hint: Some of us will already have our AARP Memberships. And I don’t mean the Mac Pro...well, maybe.

 

[Baymowe335]

If they really weren't that little of a problem, Apple wouldn't desperately scramble to fix their issues with four revisions in four years, and they wouldn't preemptively add the machines with the most recent revision to the keyboard repair program.

No matter how high the failure rate of the butterfly keyboards actually is, the number is clearly too high.

I don't think we know that. There is evidence it isn't a big issue too, such as not redesigning it even more recently. Things always improve, so a membrane or minor changes aren't "Wow, we a screwed and need to get this solved now." The failure rates might be X% instead of 1/2 of X%. Slightly more than they want, but not enough for a redesign or some large scale recall. There are many options and they chose a warranty program to take care of those with issues. A massive issue (See the Galaxy Fold or Note 7) would require FAR more aggressive measures including pulling from the market, completely redesigning the keyboard, or offering compensation to every owner.

 

[thadoggfather]

https://www.tineye.com/search/33e7cd8562bbd7be4f6bbf8370a162cecd81093b?page=1

lots of those links to not seem to wrk...
https://i.imgur.com/7tb4hVO.jpg

my MacBook Pro feels brand new now, thanks!