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It's the principal of the matter. Apple has a monopoly. We can either say enough is enough and move to another platform, or we can bend over and accept them. This is no different than Comcast stomping on Net Neutrality.

Where does Apple have a monopoly?
 
Cos they’re not in-app purchases, the purchase are happening on your PC, you’re just remote desktoping on to it. No cut for Apple.

Ah, got it. Well guess Valve with have to pony up the money if they’d like access to Apple’s user base or as you said, cut the functionality.
 
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How do we, as customers, file a lawsuit against Apple over this?

This is akin to if Tesla said I couldn’t take my car somewhere else to be painted. I bought the car - it’s my right to pick what services I have performed on it. If I want to paint it a color other than the ones Tesla offers, that’s none of their business.

Apple offers a platform where any software can be installed on it, but, completely arbitrarily, only from their stores (unless I choose to jailbreak, something that they repeatedly and constantly try to prevent me from doing.)

You can't sue to force a company to do something it doesn't want to do along these lines. It would be a lawsuit for some specific added functionality. No company would be obligated to provide added functionality unless it promised it in a sales pitch and that's why its customers purchased.

Best consumer recourse is vote with the wallet. Money extraordinarily talks with this incarnation of Apple. Record quarter after record quarter makes it so that Apple can't even tell it's doing anything wrong. The one thing that makes Apple make decisions that seem anti-consumer over and over is that they can... and get thoroughly rewarded in every way that matters... and then some of us consumers will argue whatever Apple does as the one and only right way to go for all too.

Stop buying. If enough buyers stop, sooner or later, the record quarters will end. Apple WILL notice a downturn. And then it may take another (and maybe another+) to bring them back to earth and get them re-focused on delighting customers instead of doing anything & everything to fatten profitability, even at the expense/hassle/etc on customers.

Whining here doesn't do anything. Probably whining there doesn't do anything either. But they'll notice the money if enough decide to stop shoveling it at them.
 
Fully expected this... There are a lot of games on Steam that are also on the App Store and there's a chance that people would prefer to buy it via Steam to have it on both platforms, which Apple gets no percent of.
The Steam and iOS version of most games are different. Firstly, the games you buy on iOS you can play wherever you are, secondly, these games are also made with touch and motion controls in mind. The only market I think this app might eat into is for all four people who have bought an Apple TV.
 
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Really, so what? The whole advantage of mobile gaming is to play while you're mobile. But this won't do that, unless to you "mobile" means "while within the four walls of your house". And even then, you'd better have a flawless wifi setup.

This is hardly a loss for Apple consumers.
 
The app itself is admittedly news to me but this really makes me mad as their slippery slope argument is extremely mind-blowingly dumb. Sure there is some overlap between Steam's store and Apple's own, but to say that allowing this app is at the expense of cannibalizing you're own app store is an extremely dumb conclusion.

This is the most anti-consumer move I've seen Apple pull in a while. This doesn't affect my decision to keep an iPhone...but this was going to make the iPad and Apple TV so much better and it sounded like the app was great.

A real shame.
 
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How often do you play PC games and how often would you use this feature? I ask because I assume it must be “all the time” for this to effect you so severely. I see so many people up on arms but this is a niche app. I would have loved to stream my Steams games from my computer to my Apple TV (it finally wouldn’t be worthless for gaming) but this is so low on my priority list I couldn’t imagine dropping my iPhone because of it.
Really, so what? The whole advantage of mobile gaming is to play while you're mobile. But this won't do that, unless to you "mobile" means "while within the four walls of your house". And even then, you'd better have a flawless wifi setup.

This is hardly a loss for Apple consumers.

I tested it on my Android TV and it seriously works great. My router (TP-Link Archer C7) isn't anything special. It's just great playing your favorite games at any location in your house. It's not only mobile, but also the Apple TV.
 
Really, so what? The whole advantage of mobile gaming is to play while you're mobile. But this won't do that, unless to you "mobile" means "while within the four walls of your house". And even then, you'd better have a flawless wifi setup.

This is hardly a loss for Apple consumers.

It's a loss alright since there will yet be another thing that people on Android can do but can't do on iPhone. There shall be even more people move to Android just for this.
 
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The Steam and iOS version of most games are different. Firstly, the games you buy on iOS you can play wherever you are, secondly, these games are also made with touch and motion controls in mind. The only market I think this app might eat into is for all four people who have bought an Apple TV.
Plenty of people have Apple TV's - and the Steam Link app supports touch controls, as do quite a few games (every game that was ever intended for a Windows tablet, which is consequentially pretty much every cross platform iPad game).

Civilization VI is a perfect example - it's $60 on iPad, why would you pay that if you can buy it on Steam and have access to it on your iPad as well? Darkest Dungeon is another popular example - though there are many many others.

Not to mention Apple is opening itself to a world of piracy via remote-streamed games.

Apple knows exactly what it's doing here, I think they are very unlikely to reverse the decision.
 
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The app itself is admittedly news to me but this really makes me mad as their slippery slope argument is extremely mind-blowingly dumb. Sure there is some overlap between Steam's store and Apple's own, but to say that allowing this app is at the expense of cannibalizing you're own app store is an extremely dumb conclusion.

This is the most anti-consumer move I've seen Apple pull in a while. This doesn't affect my decision to keep an iPhone...but this was going to make the iPad and Apple TV so much better and it sounded like the app was great.

A real shame.

We don’t know the exact reason beyond “business conflict in the app guidelines”. Which, if it’s in the guidelines? I can’t say I really feel bad for Valve.

Then again, I find Valve complaining about a single app getting denied after recent events to be pretty stupid.
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It's a loss alright since there will yet be another thing that people on Android can do but can't do on iPhone. There shall be even more people move to Android just for this.

If you move to Android to run Steam games shittily, that’s amazing.
 
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Any Corp is gonna protect their turf. I'd make the same decision.

I agree. It's their right to do so.

I think this is really short-sighted of Apple. Users who want to do this will just use another device, which means less Apple TV use, which means lower Apple TV value, which means less incentive to develop for Apple TV. Also, it creates more risk to target the Apple TV (and App Store), as a developer never knows when Apple is going to say, "whoops, we forgot to tell you you couldn't do that" and pulls the rug out from them (after the dev having paid the price to build something).

The next time the operations-guy-with-CEO-title…
  • pretends to be all for user choice
  • acts like the App Store empowers developers
  • announces new hardware and proclaims "we can't wait to see what you do with it"
Throw this news right back at his Mac-neglecting ass.
 
Gaming is a HUGE driver for sales of any electronic device and partnering with Steam will only offer positive benefits so it's head scratching why Apple rejected Steam.

I think the real reason is Apple wanting to hide the fact that gaming is much greener on the other side when viewed through the Steam app. High end gaming is nearly non-existent on Apple ecosystem.
 
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We don’t know the exact reason beyond “business conflict in the app guidelines”. Which, if it’s in the guidelines? I can’t say I really feel bad for Valve.

Then again, I find Valve complaining about a single app getting denied after recent events to be pretty stupid.
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If you move to Android to run Steam games shittily, that’s amazing.

How would you feel if Apple removes Netflix, Spotify, Play Music, Hulu or any of the other services because of business conflicts? Stop acting like an iSheep.
 
I agree. It's their right to do so.

I think this is really short-sighted of Apple. Users who want to do this will just use another device, which means less Apple TV use, which means lower Apple TV value, which means less incentive to develop for Apple TV. Also, it creates more risk to target the Apple TV (and App Store), as a developer never knows when Apple is going to say, "whoops, we forgot to tell you you couldn't do that" and pulls the rug out from them (after the dev having paid the price to build something).

The next time the operations-guy-with-CEO-title…
  • pretends to be all for user choice
  • acts like the App Store empowers developers
  • announces new hardware and proclaims "we can't wait to see what you do with it"
Throw this news right back at his Mac-neglecting ass.

I don’t see how this makes it less likely to target the Apple TV with games. This was a pretty bad idea to begin with. Apple will not decline games unless they break guidelines.
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How would you feel if Apple removes Netflix, Spotify, Play Music, Hulu or any of the other services because of business conflicts? Stop acting like an iSheep.

I’d try to look into it and try to figure out more. But that hasn’t happened yet. Why not ask what I’d say if Apple gave their employees cancer while you’re at it? I deal in realities and no what if scenarios.

I’m saying calm down and get facts before you throw all the hate. How does wanting facts make me an iSheep?
 
Because Tim Cook knows what is best for you, now, forever and always. Do not question Cupertino.

Lol I don't see why this app would be rejected?

I would love an app like this even though I don't play video games much these days.

I would probably start though.

It just seems like a super cool idea.

Hope the decision gets reversed!
 
I don’t see how this makes it less likely to target the Apple TV with games. This was a pretty bad idea to begin with. Apple will not decline games unless they break guidelines.
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I’d try to look into it and try to figure out more. But that hasn’t happened yet. Why not ask what I’d say if Apple gave their employees cancer while you’re at it? I deal in realities and no what if scenarios.

I’m saying calm down and get facts before you throw all the hate. How does wanting facts make me an iSheep?

According to their guidelines they can ban every app that competes with services that Apple offers.
 
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