Apple Releases Core 2 Duo MacBook Pro

I can't understand why there are so a lot of people complaining about the updates.
Everyone asked for a top CPU and there's, more or cheaper RAM and there's, higher capacity hard drive and there's.

The only one thing is the graphic card but I don't think that the X1600 is so bad: these systems are not like XP MediaCenter ones (and I hope they'll never be). Even 1900*1200: it's beautiful but makes your display completely unreadable. Definitively too small.

Santa Rosa will add 800 MHz bus (that won't make the difference), more RAM support (but for me even 2 GB is too much) and NAND booting (maybe the only interesting thing but, even about this, MacBooks CD are already very quick to boot and so it will probably make you save just some seconds, unless it's an instant booting).

And one last thing: why to buy now and not wait for Leopard or Santa Rosa? Because if you need a laptop now you can't wait for another four to six months. I managed to survive till now and I was lucky because I could do it, but now the time is over. This update came exactly when I needed it.
 
daneoni said:
160GB larger read/write area, 120GB smaller read/write area. its like flying to a longer distance at the 600MPH instead of a smaller distance at the same MPH.

Right? all the buffs out there correct me if i'm wrong
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Hehe, I'd think if the drive were larger, it would be more dense, thus less distance for sequential reads and writes, thus faster... Either way it probably adds up to several percentage points of nothing ;)
 
daneoni said:
160GB larger read/write area, 120GB smaller read/write area. its like flying to a longer distance at the 600MPH instead of a smaller distance at the same MPH.

Right? all the buffs out there correct me if i'm wrong
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i'm not so sure about that

i was under the impression that you use a certain amount of hd space as cache..but that amount was no more than a few gigabites
 
One of these could be overstock, one could be refurbed

rvcontre said:
Congrats on everyone waiting for the C2D MBPs! I was waiting for them too to see how much the refurbs were going for. : ) But I do have one question. I just pasted these two builds from the refurb section. In fact, they were in this exact order. Am I missing something? Why is there such a price difference? They seem to be the same MBP except $2149 vs $1599?
I've never bought a refurbished machine before and I was just wondering if this was due to an indication of quality? Thanks for the help. :)



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My guess is one of these could be an actual refurb, the other could be overstock that they are getting rid of. The $1599 could be the refurbed, and the $2149 could be the overstock. But you can still get a new one for cheaper than the overstock. Probably price mistake.
 
daneoni said:
160GB larger read/write area, 120GB smaller read/write area. its like flying to a longer distance at the 600MPH instead of a smaller distance at the same MPH.

Right? all the buffs out there correct me if i'm wrong
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I actually thought, if anything, it was the opposite (160 faster than 120).

Actually, who cares. Get the faster processor and an external HD if you need more space later. :p
 
I don't like my laptop anymore, I bought it in June an now I just want to sell my MBP 17" and get the new one, :rolleyes: thanks apple!
 
ChrisA said:
Why is it that in the "Mac World" people seen tho measure disk preformance by how fast the platters spin. That's like looking at the Tachometer in your car to see how fast you are going.

What matters is the "bit rate" This is the product of the tangential speed of the platter under the read/write head time the "bit density". So for example of the platter were going at 100 inches per second and it had 1000 bits per inch the bit rate would be 100,000 bits per second. Simple?

These newer high capasity drives, 160GB and even 200GB hold nore data. You might guess that the reason they hold more data is they use a higher "bit density". More density and same rotational speed means they are faster.

It you care about battery life the best way to make a drive faster is not to spin it faster but to double the bit density.
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Obviously someone who has never been in a race car because that's exactly how they tell how fast they are going. You can only write as fast as the platters spin. A 5400 RPM drive WILL NOT write as fast as a 7200 RPM. I don't care who makes it. So yes, HD RPMs do matter! Go back to "PC-LAND" or Gatesville.
 
This is a nice upgrade, however, I'm glad I don't have $2,600 sitting around right now cause I'd probably pick one up. By the time I'm in a financial position to buy one, they will have one or two more updates (with a major one hopefully...case design maybe? I like it, but something new is always exciting) and Leopard will be out as well. Of course, by the time that happens, I will probably have a newborn baby so there goes all my hopes of talking my wife into letting me spend $2,600 on a new laptop. :) Thus is life.
 
prezpat2020 said:
Why would anyone spend $2,000 +, when you can hold off for a few months and get Leopard pre-installed, or wait a bit longer and get Leopard pre-installed WITH the Santa Rosa, flash-booting chip.

There's no way I'm buying a MBP for that much money so close to a new OS launch that will cost an extra couple hundred... not to mention the promise of the Santa Rosa... HOLD OFF!
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Thanks for coming on here and whining.
 
Cooler Design

rcm3 said:
Any word on whether this is a true 'drop-in' or if they changed some things to address the heat issues, etc??
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From the New C2D MacBook Pro Design Page:

"Cooler design
In the eternal struggle between the forces of design and the forces of thermodynamic reality, many notebooks simply surrender, opting for clunkier designs to deal with internal heat. MacBook Pro innovates its way to a better place. Not only are its parts engineered to squeeze out every last joule of performance, they’re meticulously placed to minimize size. The result? Ultra performance in a thin, light package."

That reads like Double-Speak. They begin the paragraph talking about the heat challenge only to conclude they are better looking but not necessarily cooler in temperature. What the hell is up with that? Who wrote that? Did they have a proof reader? Now I'm more Confused than ever. :eek: :rolleyes:

Advantage of no press event is they don't have to answer any of our questions.
 
What happened to the 7200 rpm drive on the 15 inch model????!!!! :eek:

Check on the website where you build to order and you will see its gone!
 
maverick808 said:
Most airlines do allow laptops, at least in Europe. And of the 10+ times I've travelled from UK to USA laptops have been allowed.

You've never seen a charger socket on a plane because you are a cheapass that always flies coach :) All business and first class seats have charger sockets.
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That's something I wanted to confirm...my organization has a policy of using coach class for all except Directors...are there many airlines already providing sockets for coach class international flights?
 
Multimedia said:
From the New C2D MacBook Pro Design Page:

"Cooler design
In the eternal struggle between the forces of design and the forces of thermodynamic reality, many notebooks simply surrender, opting for clunkier designs to deal with internal heat. MacBook Pro innovates its way to a better place. Not only are its parts engineered to squeeze out every last joule of performance, they’re meticulously placed to minimize size. The result? Ultra performance in a thin, light package."
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That was on there before the update. Pay attention man. :rolleyes:
 
Multimedia said:
From the New C2D MacBook Pro Design Page:

"Cooler design
In the eternal struggle between the forces of design and the forces of thermodynamic reality, many notebooks simply surrender, opting for clunkier designs to deal with internal heat. MacBook Pro innovates its way to a better place. Not only are its parts engineered to squeeze out every last joule of performance, they’re meticulously placed to minimize size. The result? Ultra performance in a thin, light package."
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I think this was already said for the original MBP...
 
Multimedia said:
From the New C2D MacBook Pro Design Page:

"Cooler design
In the eternal struggle between the forces of design and the forces of thermodynamic reality, many notebooks simply surrender, opting for clunkier designs to deal with internal heat. MacBook Pro innovates its way to a better place. Not only are its parts engineered to squeeze out every last joule of performance, they’re meticulously placed to minimize size. The result? Ultra performance in a thin, light package."
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It's EXACTLY the same description of the "old" MBP.
They didn't change a word on that.
So you might expect the same heat problems :D
 
C2D MacBook Is Right Around The Corner

walleyealx said:
anyone know if there is any hope for the c2d on the macbook any time soon?
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Yeah I "know" as in "expect" as in "imagine" the C2D MacBook is only another week or two behind. They need zero redesign and it will simply be a change in the processor at the same current speeds of 1.83GHz and 2GHz which are being delivered to manufacturers in much larger quantities already. So no worries. It will be out in just a little longer.
 
AppliedVisual said:
It will work just fine with 20" displays (even the 30" display for that matter). You will want the 256MB video memory if you do any significant amount of gaming or 3D though.
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OK, can someone clarify just how much of a performance benefit there is in the 256 meg video card if you plan to game with BootCamp? Will you notice better video quality or performance in games like Oblivion, Battlefield 2, etc. with a 256 meg video card compared to the 128 meg one? I've been searching for some definitive info on this, but beyond the general advice that it will be better, I would love to get a concrete idea if it's noticeably better.
 
famusc said:
I can't understand why there are so a lot of people complaining about the updates.
Everyone asked for a top CPU and there's, more or cheaper RAM and there's, higher capacity hard drive and there's.
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New here, are you?
 
petemitchell2k4 said:
Obviously someone who has never been in a race car because that's exactly how they tell how fast they are going. You can only write as fast as the platters spin. A 5400 RPM drive WILL NOT write as fast as a 7200 RPM. I don't care who makes it. So yes, HD RPMs do matter! Go back to "PC-LAND" or Gatesville.
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Im not completly agreeing with petemitchell2k4! A 5400 RPM drive could! write as fast as a 15000 RPM drive using different "recoding" technics. I assume everyone heard about perpendicular recording? Yes: PR drives have a higher bit density, so the drive can read/write faster than than a drive thats using longitude recording (with same RPM and sequentielle read/write operations). The point is access time. Higher RPM means faster access time, because the needed bits/sectors are positioned faster under the r/w head. Read THG benchmarks between a 15000 Raptor (longitude) and some ordinary other hard drive with 7200 (perpendicular). Even doing twice as much RPM, the PR HD is doing pretty well and has only about 10% of lack (or less...) of performance in sequentiell benchmarks.

1st post: :) just ordered a new MBP C2D. Was reading all rumors for 3 months now! Happy guy here..
"MBPRO 15/2.16 CTO 1 1,776.87 4 business days
2.16GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
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