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Why wait? People do have iPhones now and is ready to upgrade the iOS
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Agree Apple shouldn’t have promised or mentioned it in the keynote if they can’t make a deadline
They only promised that it would be a part of iOS 11, they didn’t say 11.0 or 11.1, etc.
this happened before with Apple Pay and didn’t launch till later update.
 
Maybe 11.1 is coming out tomorrow?

Hope so! Looking forward to an Apple Watch update and phone update.

And goodness me High Sierra needs some attention.
 
You are in the vocal minority.
I and many like the new change.

They just need to make it option, then everyone can be happy. They went on about how customisable the new Control Centre is, then changed the behaviour of some of the most-used buttons, with no option to replicate the old behaviour. That is silly.
 
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Release notes on 11.2b...


Notes and Known Issues

General

Known Issues

• After using an iPhone with an iPhone dock, using a charger without the dock requires restarting the phone.

ARKit

Known Issues

• ContinuingfromabreakpointwhiledebugginganARSessionmayresultinVIObreaking. Any visual objects placed in the world/anchor are not visible. (31561202)

AVFoundation

Known Issues

• When using the TrueDepth front-facing camera on iPhone X, setting the capture device’s activeFormat to a binned video format (see AVCaptureDeviceFormat isVideoBinned) for capture and enabling delivery of camera calibration data causes the resulting AVCameraCalibrationData to contain invalid information for the intrinsicMatrix property. (34200225)

Workaround: Select an alternate capture format whose isVideoBinned property is false.

Note: Configuring a capture session using a session preset never selects binned formats. EventKit

Known Issues

  • InitializinganEKCalendarChooserfromEventKitcanresultinanappcrash. (34608102)

  • Storing data to a nondefault event store in EventKit may not work. (31335830)

    Foundation

    Known Issues
• ClientsofNSURLSessionStreamTaskthatuseanon-secureconnectionfailtoconnect when an error occurs during PAC file evaluation and the system is configured for either Web Proxy Auto Discovery (WPAD) or Proxy Automatic Configuration (PAC). A PAC evaluation failure can occur when the PAC file contains invalid JavaScript or the HTTP host serving the PAC file is unreachable. (33609198)

Workaround: Use startSecureConnection to establish a secure connection.

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Photos UI API Extensions

Known Issues

• In iOS 11.2 beta 1 or later, the user interface of a photo editing extension is no longer limited to the safe area. Apple recommends following the Human Interface Guidelines for content insets. (34189209)

Podcasts

Known Issues

• Playing a Podcast with chapter markers may cause the Podcasts app to crash. (35117025)

Workaround: Ask Siri to play a Podcast without chapter markers. ReplayKit

Known Issues

• For a broadcast extension that a user starts from within an app, the value for the RPVideoSampleOrientationKey of the CMSampleBufferRef of type RPSampleBufferType is always portrait. Starting the broadcast extension from the Control Center returns the correct value. (34559925)

UIKit

Resolved Issues

• DisplayingapagecontrolinUIPageViewControlleronaniPhoneXnolonger overlaps the home indicator at the bottom of the screen. (34478195)

Vision

Resolved Issues

  • UsingamodelthatoutputsanimagewithVNCoreMLRequestnowworkscorrectly. (34023914)

  • VNHomographicImageRegistrationRequest and VNDetectBarcodesRequest now work correclty with images when using a request handler based on a URL. (34919881)

    Known Issues
  • VNFaceLandmarkRegion2D is currently unavailable in Swift. (33191123)

  • Facial landmarks identified by the Vision framework may flicker in temporal use cases

    such as video. (32406440)

    Xcode

    Known Issues

    • Debugging a disabled Messages extension may cause the Messages app to crash. (33657938)

    Workaround: Enable the extension before starting the debug session.

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• After a simulated iOS device starts up, it’s not possible to pull down the Lock screen. (33274699)

Workaround: Lock and unlock the simulated device and then reopen Home screen.
 
The more typical 10 AM US Pacific time basically. US hasn't gone through a time change yet (it will happen this upcoming weekend).

Ah nice. Didn’t know that. So my phone will become a little more useable an hour earlier than expected tomorrow!
 
Should 11.1 be going stable shortly then? Can't wait for it, hopefully it brings the battery life back to normal. My 7 was great when I got it, 30% in the tank by 11PM, with iOS11 it's been hitting that by 3-4PM.

If it significantly lessens the framerate drops that would be a big bonus too.
 
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Should 11.1 be going stable shortly then? Can't wait for it, hopefully it brings the battery life back to normal. My 7 was great when I got it, 30% in the tank by 11PM, with iOS11 it's been hitting that by 3-4PM.

If it significantly lessens the framerate drops that would be a big bonus too.
It's already 'stable' it's shipping on millions of boxed up iPhone X's.

It's just a matter of when they make it available to us plebeians.
 
Everyone who agrees this should be an option, make sure to go to https://www.apple.com/feedback/iphone.html (or your local equivalent url) to tell Apple directly, they do sometimes listen.
I have done that couple of times, might do it again. Thanks.

You are in the vocal minority.
I and many like the new change.
How is the new behavior helping with not inadvertently connecting or tracked using MAC ID when in the vicinity of WiFi networks that I do not want to be connected to. I get annoying connect WiFi pop ups that I could live without. BT is even less secure when left on.
Other than Apple Watch users, the new behavior is far from ideal. Even the new S3 Apple Watch doesn't need iPhone connectivity all the time, so why force the users to do something that can be done without.
 
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Is 11.1 beta also a full installer or just a incremental installer?
As I recall, more often than not the first release of a new beta is typically a full installer.
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Should 11.1 be going stable shortly then? Can't wait for it, hopefully it brings the battery life back to normal. My 7 was great when I got it, 30% in the tank by 11PM, with iOS11 it's been hitting that by 3-4PM.

If it significantly lessens the framerate drops that would be a big bonus too.
Most likely this week, with tomorrow being a good possibility.
 
As I recall, more often than not the first release of a new beta is typically a full installer.
Thank you.

The reason for my question is to make a decision whether I want to do a clean install or just update over the air, by judging the size of the update, I was trying to gage if it's a major update or not. I typically tend to do major updates as fresh installs.
 
Thank you.

The reason for my question is to make a decision whether I want to do a clean install or just update over the air, by judging the size of the update, I was trying to gage if it's a major update or not. I typically tend to do major updates as fresh installs.
It often doesn't really make much of a difference as far as doing it one way or another. Generally if you run into some weirdness after updating then it might make sense to do a clean install (if nothing else is helping).
 
I hope this is the one that brings back Messages iCloud sync.

I hope this too but I am also concerned that having all my iMessages in the cloud will eat up all my 5GB rapidly, because I like to keep all history, pictures, and videos that were sent to me. I have no interest in iCloud otherwise as I much prefer Dropbox. I wish services for cloud such as photo libraries and messages would not count towards the limit, because they are so integral to use of Apple's operating systems (only documents should count, like Google does, or the limit could finally be raised).
 
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