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Apple Releases First Developer Preview of Mac OS X Lion
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Huh? The screenshots I've seen so far have a menubar. Where are you getting the idea that it's gone?
All of the torrent downloads I've seen are dated at least a week ago, if not longer. Apple just released Lion to developers today. I'd be very careful downloading anything from the torrent sites.
Mark
What - you mean it doesn't support the G4 or G5??? Apple are really screwing over its loyal user base with this update that just re-affirms their status as second class citizens in Apple's eyes. I can't believe they've stopped doing updates for these systems already
(does that make you feel better?)
Am I reading this correctly? Lion Server will not cost $500 like SL Server? Wow!
This will make people feel more inclined to try Apple server software. This will be interesting.
Finally an openGL update, but only to 3.2? I mean... really? Come on Windows and Linux have OpenGL 4.x, they should really go the full way.
Does it automatically install it in a bootcamp style partition or is it installed as a virtual machine? I'm thinking of joining the developer program mainly becuase the cost of a usual os upgrade works out about the same at £60 and I'd like to try more mac development and the free developer accounts don't get you access to the forums.
I'd second this take a look and some even date back to October!
What is the actual build number for this beta?
Did you not ever think to put aliases to the applications in your dock folders? Thant's what I do.
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asdfsd well at least if the fugly blue scrollbars are gone i'm happy
"Overlay Scrollbars
Mac OS X Lion introduces overlay scrollbars similar to those in iOS. These scrollbars appear as an overlay on top of the window's content while the user is scrolling and remain visible briefly to allow scrollbar dragging."
awesome
also versions looks great and its time for that feature in a modern o/s.
Looks like they're still on their own bar for the most part.
iTunes doesn't play nice with the edge/corner resizing. In fact, it works the same way it did in Snow Leopard.
I don't own an awesome.
Thanks though. Also, without multitouch gestures, navigating Launchpad/Exposé is a little tricky. In a fullscreen app, you either have to mouse to the menu bar and "uncheck" the fullscreen button, or use the exposé keyboard shortcut to get out of it.
Finally, maybe Apple just hasn't implemented the application persistence yet, but the little indicator lights for "open applications" can be enabled in the System Preferences, and you can still "Quit" any open application.
Finally, it looks like your application has to be written with the 10.7 SDK to take part in the fullscreen app experience. My Snow Leopard apps resize from all corners automatically, but can't go fullscreen like the rest of the Lion apps.
I'd love some feedback on this...
I am a software developer and an iPhone developer, and I like the application life cycle on the iphone, the 'close' and resume etc....
not having to worry about whats open and whats closed is an advantage on a small portable device but Lion's resume feature bothers me.
It seems they have removed the notion of lights under the running apps in the dock and want to create an enviroment devoid of the notion of 'open' and 'closed'.
For me this is not desireable becuase:
For instance, when I use Steam on my MBP to say play Counter strike or left for dead 2, I generally make sure most other apps are closed. I get much worse performance in these games and in other heavy apps such as logic and final cut if I have the system loaded with other apps.
So hypothetically If im running lion for the day and have used itunes, iphoto, logic, garageband, safari and say a load of other apps, I dont want ANY of these running while i'm playing games or doing seriously intensive work.
I want the cpu and ram to be as free as possible to give me maximum performance in my game.
So I can see the benefits of resume, its cute. but its gonna really annoy me if I dont have a quick and easy way of expelling all currently not used apps from RAM and ensuring the CPU is not wasting any cycles on stuff I'm not using.
A follow on to this and as another chap mentioned I don't like that finder is seemingly not really featured on the Lion preview screenshots.
I don't wanna jump the gun but, like, I as a power user/developer, need and want access to the file system uninhibited.
I want access to the terminal, I wanna be able to see ALL running processes and apps (ie Activity monitor) and I think things like ALT-Tabbing to see whats ACTUALLY running is important.
I know you may think its nerdy, but really I'm fine with it in iOS I don't care about the filesystem and I'm happy to let the system manage itself.
But in a robust desktop OS I think allowing users to have access to these power features is an absolute must.
one of the reasons I love OS X so much is that its basically unix/linux with a beautiful and easy gui, I love dropping into terminal and being able to SSH into a box when bonjour is acting up, I want to be in control of the system not the OS.
There are plenty of times I have to restart and kill apps on my iPhone 4 because it literally is getting slow with so much running.
TLDR: its retarded if you cannot arbitrarily close running apps.
its retarded if they turn a desktop OS into a mobile OS.
do you not think things as basic as controlling whats executing and whats not is important?
I am a software developer and an iPhone developer, and I like the application life cycle on the iphone, the 'close' and resume etc....
not having to worry about whats open and whats closed is an advantage on a small portable device but Lion's resume feature bothers me.
It seems they have removed the notion of lights under the running apps in the dock and want to create an enviroment devoid of the notion of 'open' and 'closed'.
For me this is not desireable becuase:
For instance, when I use Steam on my MBP to say play Counter strike or left for dead 2, I generally make sure most other apps are closed. I get much worse performance in these games and in other heavy apps such as logic and final cut if I have the system loaded with other apps.
So hypothetically If im running lion for the day and have used itunes, iphoto, logic, garageband, safari and say a load of other apps, I dont want ANY of these running while i'm playing games or doing seriously intensive work.
I want the cpu and ram to be as free as possible to give me maximum performance in my game.
So I can see the benefits of resume, its cute. but its gonna really annoy me if I dont have a quick and easy way of expelling all currently not used apps from RAM and ensuring the CPU is not wasting any cycles on stuff I'm not using.
A follow on to this and as another chap mentioned I don't like that finder is seemingly not really featured on the Lion preview screenshots.
I don't wanna jump the gun but, like, I as a power user/developer, need and want access to the file system uninhibited.
I want access to the terminal, I wanna be able to see ALL running processes and apps (ie Activity monitor) and I think things like ALT-Tabbing to see whats ACTUALLY running is important.
I know you may think its nerdy, but really I'm fine with it in iOS I don't care about the filesystem and I'm happy to let the system manage itself.
But in a robust desktop OS I think allowing users to have access to these power features is an absolute must.
one of the reasons I love OS X so much is that its basically unix/linux with a beautiful and easy gui, I love dropping into terminal and being able to SSH into a box when bonjour is acting up, I want to be in control of the system not the OS.
There are plenty of times I have to restart and kill apps on my iPhone 4 because it literally is getting slow with so much running.
TLDR: its retarded if you cannot arbitrarily close running apps.
its retarded if they turn a desktop OS into a mobile OS.
do you not think things as basic as controlling whats executing and whats not is important?
Meh.....
Couple nice features but nothing compelling enough to "jump on it" when it's released. By 10.7.4 it should be stable.
Couple nice features but nothing compelling enough to "jump on it" when it's released. By 10.7.4 it should be stable.
So are everything sounds good.
However, there are three features my former windows clients are really hoping to see in Lion.
1. SAVE WINDOW POSITION. Everyone of my former windows clients misses the ability to have an application open maximized automatically. (Application opens full screen except the dock is still visible.) A maximized screen focuses the user on the task at hand but allows quick application switching via the dock.
Full screen mode is nice for those with a small screen. However, if you have a large screen, why take an extra step to make the dock visible if have have the screen space available for the dock.
The user should have the option to either have full screen or have the operating system remember the users preferred window size and location.
2. Mouse pointer size my clients with 27 inch iMacs really wish Apple would give the user two additional mouse pointer sizes medium and large. Currently you can scale the mouse pointer size but the pointer becomes jagged very quickly.
3. Magic Mouse control None of my iMac clients like the speed of the Magic Mouse. The slow movements are too slow and the fast movements are too fast. Clients like the Magic Mouse under Bootcamp but not in Snow Leopard. Maybe Apple should allow the user to adjust the non accelerated movement speed and separately adjust the acceleration factor.
Overall I think my clients will be fairly pleased with what Apple will introduce with 10.7.
However, there are three features my former windows clients are really hoping to see in Lion.
1. SAVE WINDOW POSITION. Everyone of my former windows clients misses the ability to have an application open maximized automatically. (Application opens full screen except the dock is still visible.) A maximized screen focuses the user on the task at hand but allows quick application switching via the dock.
Full screen mode is nice for those with a small screen. However, if you have a large screen, why take an extra step to make the dock visible if have have the screen space available for the dock.
The user should have the option to either have full screen or have the operating system remember the users preferred window size and location.
2. Mouse pointer size my clients with 27 inch iMacs really wish Apple would give the user two additional mouse pointer sizes medium and large. Currently you can scale the mouse pointer size but the pointer becomes jagged very quickly.
3. Magic Mouse control None of my iMac clients like the speed of the Magic Mouse. The slow movements are too slow and the fast movements are too fast. Clients like the Magic Mouse under Bootcamp but not in Snow Leopard. Maybe Apple should allow the user to adjust the non accelerated movement speed and separately adjust the acceleration factor.
Overall I think my clients will be fairly pleased with what Apple will introduce with 10.7.
I know it really sucks Apple don't provide OpenGL 3.x support in coming 10.6.7, even the hardware is already there. We have to pay extra dollars to this long-overdue feature. But to be fair, there is no existing GPU apple applied to Mac product capable to OpenGL 4.x.
The NDA means exactly that: Non-disclosure of anything at all about Lion and certainly no screenshots (even mentioning that the UI has had a revamp is breaking the NDA). Of course, lots of people break the NDA on a regular basis and rarely (if ever) get caught, but if you do then you risk getting your dev account cancelled.
There's an asterisk on the feature on the main Apple site: Resume requires that apps support it. So probably it's all integrated into the Auto Save and Versions features, which also have that asterisk. The file will actually be saved on shut down.
It's an old idea in interaction design: never ask the user if they want to save. Instead, auto-save, and then allow the user to "bookmark" particular versions: a specific draft, the one you printed, the "final", etc.
With Versions supported at the OS level, it's easier to implement and "free" -- there's never a reason to avoid saving, and the OS can save on your behalf. It never "clobbers" your "real" saves.
Just as Time Machine made backups something that people actually do without thinking about, Auto Save (with Versions and Resume) can make it so that people won't worry or even think about saving -- a subtle but significant step forward.
Swipe Gestures look amazing, especially the animation for Safari and switching between full screen apps. How come three-finger swipe-up is now assigned to something? I need that for "Up one level" in Bridge. I wish Finder did that too! Are four-finger left-right swipes customizable finally? I hate the app switcher it's totally pointless as it doesn't work with apps that have more than one window open in different spaces.
I still don't like Mission Control. I prefer Exposé and I don't see how Mission Control is different.
Resume sounds amazing, I hate logging out to switch to integrated graphics each time when I unplug my MBP, and log out AGAIN to switch back to discreet graphics. This will make it easier.
AirDrop sounds amazing, I hate using Skype to transfer files between computers that are in separate rooms, though I think this won't work between Macs and PCs?
Disappearing scroll bars are totally awesome, although there is no mention about them anywhere, they are visible on the videos.
What's the difference between Versions and Time Machine? The only thing I can think of is that instead of cluttering an external drive, it fills up your internal drive, and doesn't save every hour but rather each time you hit Save. It may be cool but when working on large files (PSDs) this will fill up your hard drive in a matter of days.
I really like the idea of no open apps, and instead letting the OS manage what apps are in memory and which ones are "hibernating". I always have too many apps open (Photoshop, Bridge, Safari, iTunes, Mail, Skype, Adium) and I can't afford having any of those closed at any time. I would love the OS to manage that for me effectively, as I can't have more than 4 GB of RAM.
The App Store is not a feature of Lion, as I already have it and I'm on Snow Leopard. WTF?
And Launchpad... WTF? It's just a folder with App shortcuts in it... and it's full screen and doesn't allow multi-tasking. What exactly is the advantage of this, compared to just having a folder with Apps in it? Or even a Dock Stack set to "Grid". It's less intrusive and does the SAME thing, doesn't it?
I still don't like Mission Control. I prefer Exposé and I don't see how Mission Control is different.
Resume sounds amazing, I hate logging out to switch to integrated graphics each time when I unplug my MBP, and log out AGAIN to switch back to discreet graphics. This will make it easier.
AirDrop sounds amazing, I hate using Skype to transfer files between computers that are in separate rooms, though I think this won't work between Macs and PCs?
Disappearing scroll bars are totally awesome, although there is no mention about them anywhere, they are visible on the videos.
What's the difference between Versions and Time Machine? The only thing I can think of is that instead of cluttering an external drive, it fills up your internal drive, and doesn't save every hour but rather each time you hit Save. It may be cool but when working on large files (PSDs) this will fill up your hard drive in a matter of days.
I really like the idea of no open apps, and instead letting the OS manage what apps are in memory and which ones are "hibernating". I always have too many apps open (Photoshop, Bridge, Safari, iTunes, Mail, Skype, Adium) and I can't afford having any of those closed at any time. I would love the OS to manage that for me effectively, as I can't have more than 4 GB of RAM.
The App Store is not a feature of Lion, as I already have it and I'm on Snow Leopard. WTF?
And Launchpad... WTF? It's just a folder with App shortcuts in it... and it's full screen and doesn't allow multi-tasking. What exactly is the advantage of this, compared to just having a folder with Apps in it? Or even a Dock Stack set to "Grid". It's less intrusive and does the SAME thing, doesn't it?
Sorry if answered in this quick building thread.
But, does anyone have input on Trim support yet for the SSD's on current or future Air's and Pro's?
Thx.
But, does anyone have input on Trim support yet for the SSD's on current or future Air's and Pro's?
Thx.
9 pages and I haven't seen much talk about the new Gestures.
http://www.apple.com/macosx/lion/#video-gestures
The TrackPad now Supports:
-5 finger Pinch in to launch the LaunchPad
-Gesture to go into Full Screen (I couldn't make out the gesture)
-3 finger swipe to swipe between Application
-3 finger swipe up to launch MissionControl
-2 finger Tap to Zoom (in Safari)
-2 finger Pinch to Zoom (in Safari)
-2 finger swipe to Navigate (in Safari)
http://www.apple.com/macosx/lion/#video-gestures
The TrackPad now Supports:
-5 finger Pinch in to launch the LaunchPad
-Gesture to go into Full Screen (I couldn't make out the gesture)
-3 finger swipe to swipe between Application
-3 finger swipe up to launch MissionControl
-2 finger Tap to Zoom (in Safari)
-2 finger Pinch to Zoom (in Safari)
-2 finger swipe to Navigate (in Safari)