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It's amazing to me that users have kept gaslighting those who encountered the issue: "it's just warm. that's not overheating"; "it's indexing"; "you are using it too much"; "no issue with mine"; "first world problems"; "just be grateful"...on and on and on. The issue is with Apple's end all along. Even Apple admits it. Next time, just accept that some people might have problems with their devices that might not be happening to yours, and that the problem could be with Apple and not the users. You can believe other people's complaints and still be happy with your own device. Don't take it personally.
The zealots were thinking different.
 
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Some people are also talking about how slick BeOS was twenty years ago and asking why current operating systems are not like that, without realizing that the gap in functionality and support for advanced hardware and security features (for example) is huge. Every year we can do more and more with our phones and apps but all that functionality comes with bugs and a maintenance burden, because developers are human.

It's not really an issue, you can switch off automatic updates if it causes you stress, but be aware of security implications. Also you don't have to sit through an update, let it install overnight or while you do something else...
Apple systems, but also Linux, also have to become way more focused on by hackers worldwide, making both pretty much as targeted as Windows has been since forever.
sure, Windows itself has been less secure, especially in the past, but a big portion of the so called superior security in macOS or Linux, is built upon the fact that they simply were not that much in the focus of hackers.

the sad reality is now, that Apple and Linux need to constantly fix newly found loopholes, that no system can be devoid of.
and they are lucrative both because of increasing marketshare (in case of Linux: inside the server world, where they are practically dominating that market), but also due to nice incentives like Russia paying you up to $20M if you are finding some zero day exploits for them. most likely not with the intention to fix them.
other states like China will surely give you some adequate benefits aswell.
 
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Does anyone _really_ thinks that Apple will explicitly say that they will not throttle down the phone on Sunday, and then proceed to do the opposite a few days later, especially when it is _so_ easy for anyone to discover this?

Not to mention that the entire hypothesis that Apple designed a phone with a CPU that is too powerful is simply idiotic.
LMFAO they just did that and they throttled it by 10%
 
LMFAO they just did that and they throttled it by 10%
Throttled it how?

Yesterday before the update and today.
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The heating on using native Camera and Photos App is still persisting for me even after updating to 17.0.3.

Taking 4-5 pics in quick succession results in overheating.
 
Apple systems, but also Linux, also have to become way more focused on by hackers worldwide, making both pretty much as targeted as Windows has been since forever.
sure, Windows itself has been less secure, especially in the past, but a big portion of the so called superior security in macOS or Linux, is built upon the fact that they simply were not that much in the focus of hackers.
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I'll confess straight away that I have no actual data to support my hunch but I do wonder how much less of a target Linux is vs Windows. It depends on how you measure it. If based solely on number of machines compromised then I am sure Windows wins but I'm not convinced that Linux is somehow flying under the radar here. Targeting someone's Windows desktop with malware is of interest to a hacker to maybe get passwords to bank accounts, do a ransomware attack or recruit the PC into a botnet for spam etc but corporate servers are also constantly being targeted for corporate/governmental ransomware attacks, state and/or corporate espionage and by various hacker groups motivated by protest or just showing off. Vulnerabilities are frequently identified and fixed at all levels of the LAMP (Linux/Apache/MySQL/PHP) for instance.

For the best funded and most competent hackers my suspicion (and again I 100% confess this is my hunch backed up by no data that I can find) is that they are just as focussed on compromising Linux-based systems as they are on Windows systems.

On MacOS I tend to agree with you that it is currently less of a focus for hackers compared to Windows and Linux, yet again based on just my hunch. I'm not sure what data one could get to actually substantiate or refute any of these hunches.
 
It's amazing to me that users have kept gaslighting those who encountered the issue: "it's just warm. that's not overheating"; "it's indexing"; "you are using it too much"; "no issue with mine"; "first world problems"; "just be grateful"...on and on and on. The issue is with Apple's end all along. Even Apple admits it. Next time, just accept that some people might have problems with their devices that might not be happening to yours, and that the problem could be with Apple and not the users. You can believe other people's complaints and still be happy with your own device. Don't take it personally.

"no issue with mine"

That's useful because the more we get of these, the more likely it is a software issue or it only happens to a small minority.
 
The heating on using native Camera and Photos App is still persisting for me even after updating to 17.0.3.

Taking 4-5 pics in quick succession results in overheating.
I've just tried to replicate that overheating issue with mine 15 Pro by taking 15+ photos and several videos in ProRes and ProRAW but the phone stays ice cold! The battery % stays paralyzed as well. Are you using the regular Pro or Pro MAX?

Btw, I did some optimisation I gotta confess:) Siri completely disabled, iCloud Drive, iCloud backup and in most apps iCloud is off as well, etc. I also don't use the social cr@p like insta and facebook so that's that too.
 
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I've just tried to replicate that overheating issue with mine 15 Pro by taking 15+ photos and several videos in ProRes and ProRAW but the phone stays ice cold! The battery % stays paralyzed as well. Are you using the regular Pro or Pro MAX?

Btw, I did some optimisation I gotta confess:) Siri completely disabled, iCloud Drive, iCloud backup and in most apps iCloud is off as well, etc. I also don't use the social cr@p like insta and facebook so that's that too.

Pro Max 256 GB. I suppose it’s not just one factor. Some combination of foreground and background activities is causing to overheat.

This was 6th time this overheating occurred when some camera activity was taken up and 1st after update to 17.0.3. Actually, it heats up after finishing the shooting and you press the power button to lock the screen, and you start feeling the heat in your pocket.

So, I soft reset the phone, then closed(Swipe Up) all other open Apps, and took again some snaps and videos, opened Photos App for upload to cloud, and now the phone did not Overheat.
 
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They would not need to underclock the CPU. They might need to throttle more aggressively as the temp raises. GB benchmark is too short, it never creates thermal issues thus comparing GB results is not indicative at all.

People were experiencing warmer or hot phones when using Uber, Instagram, doing phone calls, all which should be even less resource dependent than Geekbench.

So we can put to the rest that Apple need to reduce performance when using light apps.
 
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People were experiencing warmer or hot phones when using Uber, Instagram, doing phone calls, all which should be even less resource dependent than Geekbench.

So we can put to the rest that Apple need to reduce performance when using light apps.
Is it legit overheating, or is it "just" warm?
 
Did you read my reply out of context? I was replying on specifically the part where Apple blames 3rd party apps doing something wrong in their code that partly contributes to the issue. While it may have some truth to that stance, but Apple's reaction does not line up with that. A quick iOS update to fix this means Apple is within power to control and eliminate this by itself. It means regardless of state of 3rd party code, the origin of the heat issue is on Apple's.

Apple said it was three causes for the heat which they had identified:

1) Setting up or restoring a device
2) A bug in iOS 17
3) Recent changes to some apps which causes them to overload the system

Apple fixes 2) and contacts certain developers to fix 3).

I don't think Apple ever said fixing 2) would fix 3). We simply don't know.
 
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Pro Max 256 GB. I suppose it’s not just one factor. Some combination of foreground and background activities is causing to overheat.
Yeah probably.
This was 6th time this overheating occurred when some camera activity was taken up and 1st after update to 17.0.3. Actually, it heats up after finishing the shooting and you press the power button to lock the screen, and you start feeling the heat in your pocket.
Probably the photos syncing to the cloud after you finished shooting adds up to the issue...
So, I soft reset the phone, then closed(Swipe Up) all other open Apps, and took again some snaps and videos, opened Photos App for upload to cloud, and now the phone did not Overheat.
I'm doing it after each update and it's the first thing I do if I have some problems with a phone in general (not all people are doing it tho and in a lot of the cases turns out to be the culprit).
 
Think the point he was trying to make was this was quite an obvious issue that should’ve frankly been picked up during testing!

What if the issue was caused mostly by Instagram and Uber and they changed their apps after Apple finished testing?
 
I didn’t run a before, but here’s my after:

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And here’s a second run with it plugged in to charge:
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edit: uploading Geekbench 6 score instead of 5
 
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when you are on silent mode vibration doesn't work on my 15 pro max I have mine set to just badge alerts on my 15PM tho my 14PM worked just fine lol I have done everything setup as new iPhone and changed and played with every setting you can think of.....
Interesting - yesterday, I missed a few calls as I didn't feel the vibration so sounds like this is broken
 
Maybe some of you guys who've been here for years can chime in but... it sure seems like there's way too many updates these days compared to ten years ago. Seems like every few days, there is a reported issue, then I have to sit through another update. And another, and another, and another and... it's just out of control.
It could be interpreted either way.

For instance, yes, maybe there were fewer software updates 10 years ago, but this doesn't necessarily mean software was more "error-free" in the past. It could also mean that critical errors were never identified, or a fix was never issued.

It also seems that a lot of the recent patches are designed to stop security flaws. If so, I would rather they be patched as soon as they are discovered, rather than have Apple sit on them and then issue one massive patch like 1-2 months later.
 
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