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Apple Releases iTunes 10.4 As 64-Bit Cocoa App For Lion

*LTD* said:
For $30 everyone should.
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I'd love to, but I have apps and plugins that aren't compatible yet so I'll have to wait a while. Not to mention users on older unsupported machines.

ratpH1nk said:
Life is tight on a resident budget (especially with a family), and you would be surprised how well a DP G5 Mac still runs :/
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According to the release notes, 10.5 and G5 are supported. MR, would it be so hard to link to the release notes, or even post them in the story?

Macintosh Hardware
Mac computer with an Intel, PowerPC G5 or G4 processor
Intel, PowerPC G5 or 1.0GHz PowerPC G4 or faster processor is required to play Standard Definition video from the iTunes Store
2.0GHz Intel Core 2 Duo or faster processor is required to play HD video, an iTunes LP, or iTunes Extras from the iTunes Store
512MB of RAM; 1GB is required to play HD video, an iTunes LP, or iTunes Extras
Screen resolution of 1024x768 or greater; 1280x800 or greater is required to play an iTunes LP or iTunes Extras
Playing videos also requires at least 16MB of video RAM
Broadband Internet connection to use the iTunes Store
Apple combo drive or SuperDrive to create audio, MP3, or back-up CDs; some non-Apple CD-RW recorders may also work.
Apple SuperDrive to back up your library to DVDs; some non-Apple DVD-RW drives may also work.
Macintosh Software
Mac OS X version 10.5 or later
QuickTime 7.6 or later
Support for HE-AAC requires QuickTime 7.6.4 or later
Safari 4.0.3 or later
200MB of available disk space
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I understand that it's 64-bit, but how do we know it's Cocoa? I don't see that in the description. It is Apple--they can probably make their app 64-bit by whatever means they like, even if the public can't do so via Carbon.

I do see Cocoa-y things (Dictionary lookup, etc.) but still wonder about others...
 
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Re-download the 10.5b3 dmg and install again. Good as new
 
milo said:
And yes, I understand perfectly well the benefits of 64 bit - the main one is working with more than 4 gigs of ram but even when that's not the case, running in 64 bit generally does provide some performance gain.
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64-bit or not, there's no reason for iTunes to use 4GB RAM, so that's no benefit.
Apps can get some peformance improvements, but not generally a lot -- and the treadeoff is that generally 64-bit apps use more memory since addresses (a substantial part of data and code for most apps) are twice as large. On most 64-bit computers iTunes usally isn't hogging the CPU enough that you'd fret about the performance increases.

I'm just suprised by the excitement people have for this since in the short term 64-bit cocoa iTunes isn't going to do much for you that 32-bit carbon iTunes didn't. The real benefits will come over time because Apple should be able to spend less time maintaining it.
 
iSee said:
64-bit or not, there's no reason for iTunes to use 4GB RAM, so that's no benefit.
Apps can get some peformance improvements, but not generally a lot -- and the treadeoff is that generally 64-bit apps use more memory since addresses (a substantial part of data and code for most apps) are twice as large. On most 64-bit computers iTunes usally isn't hogging the CPU enough that you'd fret about the performance increases.
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Sorry, but I'd like that performance boost even if it's not a lot. And the extra memory use isn't much and I have plenty of that to spare - I'm happy to give up a little memory if it runs a bit faster. Pretty much all the other apple apps are 64 bit and they do provide a performance boost in virtually all cases and I don't see people whining about extra ram use. Do you manually set all your apps like safari to run in 32 bit since you seem to think that's better?

iTunes has always run pretty poorly. If 64 bit code gives a performance boost, even a modest one, I don't want to be shut out of that on 10.6.

So can anyone think of a reason that it wouldn't be able to run 64 bit on 10.6? Or is apple just arbitrarily shutting those users out?
 
scottishwildcat said:
Who on earth needs to run iTunes full screen or "without distractions"? If there's one Apple app that's designed to be shoved into the background while it's being used, surely it's iTunes.
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You're clueless, many Apple apps are meant for full screen and iTunes is absolutely one of them.

Fullscreen in Lion effectively ends the constant resizing as used to be the case with OSX. Always fixing the size of your app window. Reposition. And then Expose, back and forth back and forth. No more.

iTunes living in Fullscreen is amazing. Will never again want anything but.
 
Wow, to my surprise the speed increase is quite noticeable on my Core i7 Macbook Pro. iTunes opens quicker than it used to. I have 10,000 tracks in my library and scrolling is now instantaneous no matter how quickly I move the scroll bar. The iTunes Store pages load drastically faster than before. All in all a very welcome update.
 
Rocketman said:
One might ask, why make iTunes 64 bit? I think I have the answer. Lion is the convergence OS between iOS and OSX. Apple is just now getting into 1080p content for the first time in earnest (a few years behind the curve, eh?).

I think this is to facilitate using your Mac as a "set-top box"

[Sidebar: Foxconn recently this week purchased a facility in Mexico used to manufacture set-top boxes, which we can all guess will likely be transitioned to some sore of Apple-ish thing. Shorter supply chain than China and the labor and exchange rate issues in China are no longer our friend going forward.]

With iTunes being "full power" it can serve 1080p content to four rooms in your house or even serve 3D to a TV (2x1080p).

That's what I think. Now start the copy machines and complain-o-matics.

Rocketman
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Behind what curve? Who is doing all this online distribution of 1080p content you seem to think has been going on for years?

Why do people say such nonsensical things. I am also not sure why being able to access more then 4GB of ram is particularly relevant to serving up 4 streams 1080p either. It can easily be done with 1GB of ram.
 
Snypod said:
Wow, to my surprise the speed increase is quite noticeable on my Core i7 Macbook Pro. iTunes opens quicker than it used to. I have 10,000 tracks in my library and scrolling is now instantaneous no matter how quickly I move the scroll bar. The iTunes Store pages load drastically faster than before. All in all a very welcome update.
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In Lion or 10.6?
 
Rocketman said:
Foxconn recently this week purchased a facility in Mexico used to manufacture set-top boxes, which we can all guess will likely be transitioned to some sore of Apple-ish thing. Shorter supply chain than China and the labor and exchange rate issues in China are no longer our friend going forward.
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I would think shipping costs (to the US anyway) would be lower too.
 
Help!

Since installing Lion this morning, I have been unsuccessful installing the further updates. I have tried 4 times, been on the phone with Applecare, repaired permissions in Disk Utility... can anyone help me?

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Wilson1313 said:
FINALLY 64 bit!! And also they moved the close/minimize/expand back to a horizontal orientation again :D
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yes, itunes would perform slower than anything else on my computer. the larger the itunes library the lag. it was the only non-64 bit thing on my system monitor I was like NOO!

But finally full power! Then again Lion is all 64 bit! Weeeee! :apple:

since apple is now all 64 bit, old programs must either be remade new, or updated.
This means that apple will get spoiled with well built programs that will help macs run programs better then ever!
 
I'm really curious how much of the speed boost is due to 64 bit.

Any Lion users willing to take a couple minutes and run it in 32 bit mode then compare to 64 and see if there's a noticeable difference? it would be cool to come up with some sort of measurable benchmark but I can't think of one off the top of my head.
 
blueskye said:
If I'm buying a new MBA, which has the same 4 GB ram (max) as my current older MBP, then will the upgrade to 64-bit for iTunes be no real advantage for me? (because I can't install more than 4GB on the Air?).
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It will be an advantage because it's a Cocoa (rather than Carbon) app, which should improve perfomance in itself.
 
bug67 said:
So, does this mean they're going to maintain different version of iTunes for those not running Lion or who are running iTunes for Windows or, are they just going to drop support for all other platforms?
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They're already maintaining separate Mac and Windows versions. Why would that change with this update? Hint: it won't.
 
scottishwildcat said:
Who on earth needs to run iTunes full screen or "without distractions"? If there's one Apple app that's designed to be shoved into the background while it's being used, surely it's iTunes.
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DJ's?
People running music for a party?
People that are just listening to music, watching movies, TV shows, enjoying podcasts, browsing the Store?

iTunes is an experience in its own right when one is not in productivity or gaming mode.
 
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