Apple Releases Leopard 9A557/9A559 Seed Update

[swagi]

http://www.macworld.com/news/2007/10/01/bootcamp/index.php

Great...so the decision for me is either buy Leopard or throw out the iMac and get a Vista machine running my main MSSQL database with .net.

Sorry Apple, but you really are annoying me with that decision. Putting Leopard on a machine that is running on Windows nearly 90% of the time I use it is just...hmmm...ridiculous.

 

[3282872]

It isn't about the size of the display but the density of pixels. It is about having say a 23" display with 50% more or greater number of pixels in the same physical area (144 DPI, 288 DPI, etc.).

Hardware with those capabilities wont come out until sometime in 2008 at earliest given costs of the components.

Well, I'm not referring to size but definition. Doesn't a monitor that supports 1080P high definition meet any part of those requirements? I realize size isn't the issue, but the quality of the picture. 1080P is the highest definition available on the marketplace.

 

[Peace]

Great...so the decision for me is either buy Leopard or throw out the iMac and get a Vista machine running my main MSSQL database with .net.

Sorry Apple, but you really are annoying me with that decision. Putting Leopard on a machine that is running on Windows nearly 90% of the time I use it is just...hmmm...ridiculous.

Quote of the day..

 

[izzle22]

Am I wrong, or was Leopard in development before the iPhone. Am I wrong, or are Leopard and the iPhone in two separate departments. Am I wrong, or does Leopard's development have nothing to do with the iPhone. Am I wrong, or do most mac users not give a **** about the iPhone and would love to see you babies quit whining? Am I wrong, or is whatever problem 1% of the iPhone customers have not going to ruin Apple.

You are half wrong and half right. You are right in the facts but 100% wrong in your opinion.

 

[decksnap]

Well, I'm not referring to size but definition. Doesn't a monitor that supports 1080P high definition meet any part of those requirements? I realize size isn't the issue, but the quality of the picture. 1080P is the highest definition available on the marketplace.

you're talking about pixels. You have to look at pixels per inch. Take the amount of pixels you have, and put it on a screen half the size. Or take your screen size, and double the amount of pixels. Then you'll want resolution independence.

 

[3282872]

you're talking about pixels. You have to look at pixels per inch. Take the amount of pixels you have, and put it on a screen half the size. Or take your screen size, and double the amount of pixels. Then you'll want resolution independence.

AHHHH, got it! Thanks (again). I always thought pixels and dots were similar

 

[ChrisA]

Unless the surprise feature is an iPhone SDK, a crippled Leopard won't save apple from the whole bad decision iceberg that is smashing into their titanic.

A agree. They wasted so many resources building a phone that they dropped the ball on their core business of computers.

They really should have Time Machine integrated into the file system. Anyone here old enough to remember VAX/VMS? Remember how it kept old versoins of files? That was truly useful and when was that? About 1980?

 

[screensaver400]

Well, I'm not referring to size but definition. Doesn't a monitor that supports 1080P high definition meet any part of those requirements? I realize size isn't the issue, but the quality of the picture. 1080P is the highest definition available on the marketplace.

Not quite. 1080p refers to a vertical resolution of 1080 lines. The maximum resolution of the current 30" Cinema display is 2560 x 1600, far exceeding 1080p.

Also, it's about PPI-- pixels per inch. If there was a 100' screen with a resolution of 5000 x 3200, it wouldn't be good for Resolution Independence. What's needed is to cram a lot of pixels into a fixed amount of space.

 

[72930]

A agree. They wasted so many resources building a phone that they dropped the ball on their core business of computers.

They really should have Time Machine integrated into the file system. Anyone here old enough to remember VAX/VMS? Remember how it kept old versoins of files? That was truly useful and when was that? About 1980?

Like iPhoto...that would take up a huge amount of space...maybe when we have multi TB HDs as standard...

 

[stefanski]

I've been running the latest Leopard versions on both, my MacPro and the MBPro as I considered them stable enough for the first time. I am however still far less confident than most people here. There are quite a few issues to be solved before they can possibly release this into the wild. All I see is an announcement that Leopard will be delayed until the end of 2007. They may be close, but in my books they aren't there yet.

Too many gadgets these days. Leopard turned from something exceptional to just your average OS upgrade. Mainly because of too much hype to start with and no follow ups. Apple would have to be extremely confident to release any new smoking gun like features with Leopard now and if this is all we get, then we have very little to work with over the next few years. There are just simply no outstanding features apart from true 64bit support. There is nothing ground breaking included. No new technologies, no nothing. The OS may look good but that's hardly enough.

Yep, I hear the Apple fanboys but they do no good to start with as their mind is clouded and they are unable to come up with something a bit more substantial than constant ranting. All I want is something exceptionally good coming out of Apple and the current Version of Leopard is not going to be enough.

 

[ipedro]

Releasing a whole new version 3 months later? Crazy.

Geeze, if you think the iPhone whining has been bad....

Why crazy? OSX 10.0 Cheetah was released in March 2001 and Puma was released in September of the same year, a mere 6 months later.

I think that ZFS and Resolution Independence are sufficient modifications to justify a new OS point number.

If they had initially included those two in the early Leopard betas, they did have the intention of using them. Once Steve Jobs announced that there would be a delay, those features went missing from the subsequent Betas...
The Sun CEO even announced that ZFS would be the main system in Leopard.

Is this making any sense? In this theory, Apple encountered problems in using ZFS and decided to remove it from Leopard since it wasn't an announced feature. Perhaps it was one of the SECRET FEATURES Jobs looked forward to announcing, an announcement which turned out to be anti climatic.

All indications pointed towards a substantial revolutionary feature.
Either ZFS implementation sees the light of day shortly after OS 10.5 is released or perhaps @ WWDC 2008.

 

[BTW]

Great...so the decision for me is either buy Leopard or throw out the iMac and get a Vista machine running my main MSSQL database with .net.

Sorry Apple, but you really are annoying me with that decision. Putting Leopard on a machine that is running on Windows nearly 90% of the time I use it is just...hmmm...ridiculous.

Dude! Get a Dell.

Seriously, if you use Windows 90% of the time then get a PC. It had always been known that Bootcamp was beta and was going to go away on Tiger when Leopard came around. This decision was made from the get-go.

 

[kbrain2929]

I've been running the latest Leopard versions on both, my MacPro and the MBPro as I considered them stable enough for the first time. I am however still far less confident than most people here. There are quite a few issues to be solved before they can possibly release this into the wild. All I see is an announcement that Leopard will be delayed until the end of 2007. They may be close, but in my books they aren't there yet.

Too many gadgets these days. Leopard turned from something exceptional to just your average OS upgrade. Mainly because of too much hype to start with and no follow ups. Apple would have to be extremely confident to release any new smoking gun like features with Leopard now and if this is all we get, then we have very little to work with over the next few years. There are just simply no outstanding features apart from true 64bit support. There is nothing ground breaking included. No new technologies, no nothing. The OS may look good but that's hardly enough.

Yep, I hear the Apple fanboys but they do no good to start with as their mind is clouded and they are unable to come up with something a bit more substantial than constant ranting. All I want is something exceptionally good coming out of Apple and the current Version of Leopard is not going to be enough.

That's not what I wanted to hear!!!

 

[MrCrowbar]

Yeah, you're right that the current displays aren't high enough resolution to make it a requirement to have resolution independence, but imagine kicking back away from your computer, turning up your UI, and having the stuff get bigger, without losing resolution (like now you'd have to use magnification). And already, i'd like to have everything a bit bigger than it is on my macbook. The iPhone really does a good job with using resolution independence in browser, i'd like to see that in a bigger form factor.

Errr... what you want is to lower the resolution. That's been around for ages, just open display preferences and choose a lower resolution. You won't notice it lost some detail since your further away from the display. I use the zoom feature a lot for watching videos, i.e. to browse the finder to get to the video. Nothing beats a dedicated CTRL button on the mouse

I'd love to be able to make everything smaller to fit more stuff on my screen. The default fonts are a tad too big for me and tere's no way to make the menu bar etc smaller... Too bad Apple does not plan to let you choose your zoom factor. :-(

 

[72930]

Dude! Get a Dell.

Seriously, if you use Windows 90% of the time then get a PC. It had always been known that Bootcamp was beta and was going to go away on Tiger when Leopard came around. This decision was made from the get-go.

There is that 10% that might be useful, and the iMac's design is outstanding...

 

[ChrisA]

1080P is the highest definition available on the marketplace.

Only if you are talking about mainstream consumer video formats.

Almost all LCD computer monitors 24" and larger have more than 1024 lines of resolution. And almost all still cameras sold today have many more then 1024 lines of resolution. For example a 6MP camera has about 2000 lines.

The best way to think about "resolution independentce" is to notice that printers have worked this way for a long time. When you trade in you 300 DPI laser printer for a new 1200 DPI printer you do not get very small printouts you get sharper printouts. The same will hapen with screens. Some day you will buy a 200 DPI screen and you will get sharper text but today you'd only get small text. To enable this screen driver software will need to be replaced and some applications re-written to use it.

 

[Schtumple]

Great...so the decision for me is either buy Leopard or throw out the iMac and get a Vista machine running my main MSSQL database with .net.

Sorry Apple, but you really are annoying me with that decision. Putting Leopard on a machine that is running on Windows nearly 90% of the time I use it is just...hmmm...ridiculous.

So you bought a mac to run windows?

I did the opposite with my PC

Could resolution independance be released as a seperate add-on app for leopard?

 

[HailToTheVictor]

No spit, Sherlock.

The iPhone was promised for June. When did it come out? The end of June.

Apple said that Leopard would come out in October. Last time I checked, there's 31 days in October. They didn't say October 1st, so please calm the heck down.

Apple first said June, and what did they say in June? October. That's what they said

 

[72930]

Could resolution independance be released as a seperate add-on app for leopard?

Yes, it wouldn't be an app per-say

 

[MrCrowbar]

Not quite. 1080p refers to a vertical resolution of 1080 lines. The maximum resolution of the current 30" Cinema display is 2560 x 1600, far exceeding 1080p.

Also, it's about PPI-- pixels per inch. If there was a 100' screen with a resolution of 5000 x 3200, it wouldn't be good for Resolution Independence. What's needed is to cram a lot of pixels into a fixed amount of space.

Hmmm, I think I'll take the 100" screen anyway
It would probably make my desk flip bakwards and make me move my head a lot but damn, that would be nice. I might consider going back to one single screen again

Still waiting for a flat panel TV that doesn't look like cr*p... it's either a bad panel with bad contrast, bad colors, bad viewing angle, or an awesome panel with a crappy picture processor that either makes everything super blurry or stuttering or flickering. Does any manufacturer make an affordable HDTV without the tuner? All I want is a big display (24"-32") with 720p and a DVI or HDMI input, no speakers, no tuner. My eyeTV tuner delivers a far better picture than any of those TV tuners. Think I'll buy one of those high def projectors, they're starting to get affordable and nice.

 

[brewcitywi]

Leopard

If you wanted a new iMac, it would be interesting to be able to get iLife '08 and Leopard (plus the new keyboard) and 20" screen for $1,199. It is kind of cool, I think. Maybe a good time to enter the market.

Leopard to divert from the iPhone? Come on now, Leopard's been announced to be released at the end of October for a long time. Some of you have so many 1's and 0's going on in your heads that it's causing dementia.

 

[acslater017]

Leopard to divert from the iPhone? Come on now, Leopard's been announced to be released at the end of October for a long time. Some of you have so many 1's and 0's going on in your heads that it's causing dementia.

i think people are complaining about the iPhone diverting resources away from LEOPARD. and Apple actually said flat out that iPhone was the reason for Leopard's delay from June. sorry, maybe i'm misunderstanding.

 

[mmcxiiad]

Am I wrong, or was Leopard in development before the iPhone. Am I wrong, or are Leopard and the iPhone in two separate departments. Am I wrong, or does Leopard's development have nothing to do with the iPhone. Am I wrong, or do most mac users not give a **** about the iPhone and would love to see you babies quit whining? Am I wrong, or is whatever problem 1% of the iPhone customers have not going to ruin Apple.

Am I wrong or are you asking questions that no one can answer including yourself?

Unless you work for apple or really know - how does anyone know what is true or what you want to believe. According to Employee #1 (Steve Jobs), at the internal keynote right before the iphone launch, the same development team that works on the OS also works on the iphone OS and ipod OS. Is this true? I don't know. I am sure that the very core of OSX is used in the iphone and new ipods, but is there cross over in deveolper roles? Buddy, your guess is right or wrong as anyone else who doesn't work for apple.

Likewise, anyone who knows how long the iphone has ben in development isn't going to be posting on these boards. So maybe the iphone has been on the drawing boards Longer the leopard. My best guess would be that it was. I can't even imagine the leadtime it would take to get all the pieces in place from concept to alpha development to shopping for the carrier to beta testing to release.

 

[tcoleman]

October 23?

Call me crazy, but I was wondering about the likelihood of an October 23 release. If you look at the Apple promos page, you will see that the current promotions expire on October 22, which is a Monday. Is that too convenient?

 

[Bregalad]

Not GM quite yet

One of the only known issues with 9A559 was a risk of data corruption when installing on PowerPC machines. Thus the current build cannot be the GM because you can't fix a corrupted install with Software Update.