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Just think... A $3300 QUAD-CORE 2.5 GHz PowerMac G5 with a 250GB SATA hard drive & a 16X DVD-R that was for sale around the same time cannot even run Snow Leopard at all and will probably never get any of these bug fixes and optimizations to their $129 copy of regular Leopard.
And that's the same price that INTEL users paid!

Go Figure.​

Reminds me of when Steve Jobs arrogantly put MacOS 9 in a coffin to make a PR statement.
And now this past year, he almost ended up in one himself sadly.

Karma maybe? No, I don't believe in that myself.

But I do think Apple is screwing over a significant number of its loyal customers.


Dude its business get over it. Intel, AMD, ATI, NVIDIA, Apple and Microsoft keep making products to make consumers buy. Therefore the word progress comes to play. Now that being said you got to gripe about the other companies so let's get started.
 
I've not updated mine yet, i checked last night and it was just of 10MB.

i hope it fixes QT X. Im sick of getting a beechball when i want to move through a clip thats 9 mins in length >>
 
It doesn't fix the "iTunes keeps relaunching itself after quitting and uses way too much CPU when just being open" issue (I know other people have that issue as well). Apple really f*cked up this time with 10.6.x and iTunes... :confused:
 
I'm getting graphical glitches now. This one is obvious. Get Info doesn't work either. The windows are corrupted.
 

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It doesn't fix the "iTunes keeps relaunching itself after quitting and uses way too much CPU when just being open" issue (I know other people have that issue as well). Apple really f*cked up this time with 10.6.x and iTunes... :confused:
Experiencing quite the contrary - iTunes 9 opens very quickly, is significantly more responsive, scrolls ridiculously fast, utilizes 0-0.9 % CPU with 16 Threads according to Activity Monitor, and has neither crashed nor spontaneously restarted on a Mac Mini, four 24" iMacs, and an 8-Core Mac Pro, which had not always been the case while running a library of over 60G.
 
Experiencing quite the contrary - iTunes 9 opens very quickly, is significantly more responsive, scrolls ridiculously fast, utilizes 0-0.9 % CPU with 16 Threads according to Activity Monitor, and has neither crashed nor spontaneously restarted on a Mac Mini, four 24" iMacs, and an 8-Core Mac Pro.
Scrolling is noticeably faster. That hit me at the first launch. It doesn't seem to launch much faster though.

I've having problems hiding iTunes 9 and returning focus to it. I don't know if that's Snow Leopard or iTunes 9 though.
 
Scrolling is noticeably faster. That hit me at the first launch. It doesn't seem to launch much faster though.

I've having problems hiding iTunes 9 and returning focus to it. I don't know if that's Snow Leopard or iTunes 9 though.
No problems hiding it here - perhaps you ought to bring your Macbook to an Apple Store to show them the problems that you're having. They'll likely recommend a clean install before doing any diagnostics on it - however, it seems you either have hardware issues, RAM issues, or some mightily corrupted files which may be interfering with the Core Graphics engine and the operation of the OS itself.
 
No problems hiding it here - perhaps you ought to bring your Macbook to an Apple Store to show them the problems that you're having. They'll likely recommend a clean install before doing any diagnostics on it - however, it seems you either have hardware issues, RAM issues, or some mightily corrupted files which may be interfering with the Core Graphics engine and the operation of the OS itself.
It happens on the iMac Core Duo I have running Snow Leopard as well. iTunes just doesn't want to come into focus after being hidden.

I'm having doubts about the new GMA X3100 kernel extension in 10.6.1 as well.
 
I know I'm going to get slammed for this post by the INTEL masses again (and there won't be any PowerPC people here to defend me because they've stopped reading about Snow Leopard mostly), but so be it. I think Apple has abandoned not only PowerPC, but left people who paid $129 for Leopard with an unfinished product that is now basically FIXED or STILL GETTING FIXED in Snow Leopard. That's how I feel.

Where is my 10.5.9?​

Ya know, the version of Leopard that stops Safari from crashing 8-12 times a week, and gives PowerPC users some of the bug fixes in 10.6 and 10.6.1.

Ya know, the version of Leopard for those people who paid the SAME $129 for Leopard and don't get any of the Snow Leopard bug fixes (except for security fixes)!

Ya know, the version of Leopard that fixes some of the interface anomalies.

I won't even get into the fact that some of the new features in SL could be PowerPC compatible because that's a whole other argument.

Don't get me wrong, I applaud Apple for continuing security releases for even Tiger at this time, although I'm sure that'll stop soon though.

But, some features even in iTunes 9 work in Windows XP & Intel Macs yet won't work on faster more powerful PowerPC Macs sold just 3 years ago. I can understand Apple discontinuing G3 support (that quietly kind of went unnoticed), but iMac G5s and PowerMac G5s were quite expensive machines to abandon in my opinion on some of those features and I'm not sure I can see a technical reason why other than Apple just saying FU customer.

Makes no sense w/ Snow Leopard or iTunes... Why would a less powerful NON-APPLE machine be supported over a more powerful $3000 APPLE machine that's only 3 years old?

Not to mention Quicktime X... If that gets released for Windows XP & Vista and not for Apple's own $3000 more powerful Powermac G5s sold 3 years ago, I think I'll go postal.

I hate to say it, but if that happens, I'll be taking a serious look at Windows 7.
And that would be the first time I considered purchasing a PC since 1987!

This is a very poor way to treat your loyal hardware customers Apple IMHO. :(

PS: Let the attacks begin...


I don't see what the problem is - I use a G3 iMac running Tiger and a new 2.93GHz iMac running Snow Leopard. Apple releasing Snow Leopard only for Intel machines hasn't stopped my old G3 working just as well as it always has. Sure, it would be nice to use, say, Time Machine on the G3 machine but it didn't run Time Machine when I bought it so I don't see why Apple should be obliged to make sure it can run it now.

- HB
 
It happens on the iMac Core Duo I have running Snow Leopard as well. iTunes just doesn't want to come into focus when being hidden.
I've been trying to reproduce the problem to no avail. If the Finder is unable to 'Show' a 'Hidden' app, something is likely interfering - does clicking on the Finder consistently bring up a new folder? If this is due to a kernel extension glitch, hopefully it gets attended to soon.
 
I've been trying to reproduce the problem to no avail. If the Finder is unable to 'Show' a 'Hidden' app, something is likely interfering - does clicking on the Finder consistently bring up a new folder? If this is due to a kernel extension glitch, hopefully it gets attended to soon.
I think something is stalling when iTunes is trying to get back into view. There isn't a beachball either it just stalls coming back in. Activity Monitor never shows anything strange either.

The iMac Core Duo gets graphical glitches as well under Leopard and Snow Leopard but not under Tiger. Tiger had its own issues too relating to USB file transfers. Time Machine choked under Leopard but it works perfectly now under Snow Leopard.
 
I think something is stalling when iTunes is trying to get back into view. There isn't a beachball either it just stalls coming back in. Activity Monitor never shows anything strange either.
Do you by chance have an external HD connected which contains an additional iTunes library? The stalling may be due to iTunes attempting to access external or redundant files located in secondary libraries.
 
Experiencing quite the contrary - iTunes 9 opens very quickly, is significantly more responsive, scrolls ridiculously fast, utilizes 0-0.9 % CPU with 16 Threads according to Activity Monitor, and has neither crashed nor spontaneously restarted on a Mac Mini, four 24" iMacs, and an 8-Core Mac Pro, which had not always been the case while running a library of over 60G.

I am not saying iTunes in general uses more CPU or anything. And I am not saying everybody have this problem, but I know I'm not alone in experiencing this weird behaviour from iTunes since upgrading to Snow Leopard. So obviously they screwed something up, since I never experienced anything like this before. Yes, repaired permissons etc etc. Waiting for Apple to fix this problem with their core application...
 
It doesn't fix the "iTunes keeps relaunching itself after quitting and uses way too much CPU when just being open" issue (I know other people have that issue as well). Apple really f*cked up this time with 10.6.x and iTunes... :confused:

Perhaps you're using iWow? Genredetection might be the culprit here; try opening Activity Monitor and killing Genredetection. That should prevent iTunes from relaunching.
 
No, but HyperZboy’s particular Power Mac model was introduced after Apple announced the switch to Intel processors. He knew the writing was on the wall before he even purchased it (it was introduced in October of 2005 and discontinued in August of 2006, the Intel switch was announced in June of 2005), yet he continues to spew about Snow Leopard being incompatible with PPC Macs in multiple threads.

It’s getting old. Apple supported PPC in their operating systems for some 50 months (4 years, 2 months, 22 days) after announcing their switch to Intel. That’s a fair amount of time. It’s time to move on.

And who says is not supporting it? Well after the release of Leopard, Apple kept releasing updates for Tiger and I'm pretty sure they're going to do it now for Leopard. It's just Snow Leopard won't work on PPC Macs.
But what does he expect anyway? Backwards compatibility until... When exactly? G4? G3? Motorola processors?. 3 years is more than enough time for people who really care about computers (people that actually work with them) to switch to a newer system. For people who doesn't care or don't need to have the latest technology, Snow leopard won't be any different than Leopard anyway, so no point in spending $29.
Actually, all these bugs that the guy complains about in the G5 system, are probably caused by the fact it is a G5. Leopard was running perfectly on my system from day one (I think I got it with .2 or .3 version on it) and has only been perfect (MBP C2D penryn, early 2008). Snow Leopard wouldn't have improved that for him.
I'm sorry he paid $3300 but he did it for an already outdated piece of technology, not a very intelligent move. And expecting to have a top notch system for more than 3 years is just daydreaming.
 
2 weeks after release a patch is needed? :wtf:

Ummn....

Let me point out that Snow Leopard has been GOLD MASTER, IE, the release build was FINISHED, about 6 weeks ago.

So no, this update is 6 weeks in the making.

And for some of us everything was working fine anyway, so the patch wasn't needed.

@ PPC people. Half the benefit to Snow Leopard was the fact PPC was dropped, file sizes wouldn't have changed much, optimisation wouldn't have been so great and basically us Intel owners would have been screwed over.

Your annoyed because your tech is out of date, well tough, its 3 years which is a hell of a long time in the computer world, things are now 4-6 times quicker than it...

Some people moan for the hell of it and some just don't have a clue. :rolleyes:
 
Just think... A $3300 QUAD-CORE 2.5 GHz PowerMac G5 with a 250GB SATA hard drive & a 16X DVD-R that was for sale around the same time cannot even run Snow Leopard at all and will probably never get any of these bug fixes and optimizations to their $129 copy of regular Leopard.
And that's the same price that INTEL users paid!

Go Figure.​

Reminds me of when Steve Jobs arrogantly put MacOS 9 in a coffin to make a PR statement.
And now this past year, he almost ended up in one himself sadly.

Karma maybe? No, I don't believe in that myself.

But I do think Apple is screwing over a significant number of its loyal customers.

Wow, try to put Steve Jobs and coffin in the same sentence. You're a real class act fella.
 
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