Apple Releases Mac OS X 10.6.1

[EagerDragon]

I know I'm going to get slammed for this post by the INTEL masses again (and there won't be any PowerPC people here to defend me because they've stopped reading about Snow Leopard mostly), but so be it. I think Apple has abandoned not only PowerPC, but left people who paid $129 for Leopard with an unfinished product that is now basically FIXED or STILL GETTING FIXED in Snow Leopard. That's how I feel.

Where is my 10.5.9?​

Ya know, the version of Leopard that stops Safari from crashing 8-12 times a week, and gives PowerPC users some of the bug fixes in 10.6 and 10.6.1.

Ya know, the version of Leopard for those people who paid the SAME $129 for Leopard and don't get any of the Snow Leopard bug fixes (except for security fixes)!

Ya know, the version of Leopard that fixes some of the interface anomalies.

I won't even get into the fact that some of the new features in SL could be PowerPC compatible because that's a whole other argument.

Don't get me wrong, I applaud Apple for continuing security releases for even Tiger at this time, although I'm sure that'll stop soon though.

But, some features even in iTunes 9 work in Windows XP & Intel Macs yet won't work on faster more powerful PowerPC Macs sold just 3 years ago. I can understand Apple discontinuing G3 support (that quietly kind of went unnoticed), but iMac G5s and PowerMac G5s were quite expensive machines to abandon in my opinion on some of those features and I'm not sure I can see a technical reason why other than Apple just saying FU customer.

Makes no sense w/ Snow Leopard or iTunes... Why would a less powerful NON-APPLE machine be supported over a more powerful $3000 APPLE machine that's only 3 years old?

Not to mention Quicktime X... If that gets released for Windows XP & Vista and not for Apple's own $3000 more powerful Powermac G5s sold 3 years ago, I think I'll go postal.

I hate to say it, but if that happens, I'll be taking a serious look at Windows 7.
And that would be the first time I considered purchasing a PC since 1987!

This is a very poor way to treat your loyal hardware customers Apple IMHO.

PS: Let the attacks begin...

I run sweet and clean on a 2008 Unibody MBP 15, 5,1 with 4 Gig Mem and 10.6. Zero Issues. Clean in 32 bit mode and 64 bit mode. Have adopted 64 bit mode for day to day use.

It is possible that your problems are comming from Kernel Extensions and or in the case of Safari from Safari plugins.

You may want to do a backup, then do a clean install and migrate your data only. Then install your tools and staying away from plugins and things like that.

Good luck

 

[AdeFowler]

Reading through this thread makes me kinda glad that I'm stuck with Leopard and PPC

 

[SpaceKitty]

Reading through this thread makes me kinda glad that I'm stuck with Leopard and PPC

I have only been using SL for barely two days now since it came on my new MBP. I'm loving it so far. Lots of nice little changes and it seems very stable.

I didn't read the whole thread so I have no idea what people have been having problems with.

 

[Inconsequential]

Reading through this thread makes me kinda glad that I'm stuck with Leopard and PPC

Come on... it's hardly fair to comment when its 95% people with problems posting.

Three machines here all running perfectly... Two MBPs and one MP.

As for being glad still PPC, im wouldn't be after having the two things in my sig.

 

[cdembek]

Time Machine is STILL NOT WORKING!!!

 

[satcomer]

Time Machine is STILL NOT WORKING!!!

Download the Time Machine Buddy and see what the error is saying. This can help you in YOUR problem.

 

[neuropsychguy]

I've had 0 issues with SL so far (2008 white MacBook). Well, one non-essential VNC client does not work any more but that's not a big deal to me. I love SL.

 

[MrCrowbar]

I'm having issues with sound playback and audio/video sync. All videos played in Quicktime X are now seriously out of sync (fine at first, but then the video plays faster than the audio and you get a few seconds of difference) and when starting to play audio through any application, there's a loud crackling noise.

:-(

 

[Duncan-UK]

Just a quickie and I apologise if it comes across as a silly question.

I bought an 8 Core 2.26 Mac Pro a week before Snow Leopard was released, and transferred across all of my data and account information from my 2007 iMac.

Then when SL was released I upgraded via the "keep up to date" disc.

My question is - does the Mac Pro "think" that it is an iMac, as I transferred over all of my account information etc, and as such is this compromising the performance that I should be getting from a Mac Pro.

I think the answer is "no" as presumably the OS is identical whether it is running on a Mac Mini or a Mac Pro, and it uses the hardware that it finds.

My system is running fine, but I just wonder whether I should have not transferred the settings from the iMac and manually installed everything instead (which would have taken ages)

thanks in advance for any comments or assistance offered!

 

[Eric S.]

@ PPC people. Half the benefit to Snow Leopard was the fact PPC was dropped, file sizes wouldn't have changed much, optimisation wouldn't have been so great and basically us Intel owners would have been screwed over.

That's not true. Most of the disk space reduction in Snow Leopard comes from other optimizations, not from dropping PPC code. And in actual system operation it would matter not one bit to Intel users if PPC was still supported.

Apple's reasons for doing this have a lot more to do with their own operating budget, particularly for the QA resources it takes to test new releases on old HW. And since the old HW is really not providing any new revenue Apple would prefer to push people toward buying new HW.

Anyway it didn't just happen overnight; it's an ongoing process. First G3's were eliminated from new OS support, then one class of G4's, and now all PPC systems. And when 10.7 comes out it will probably only support 64-bit CPUs, eliminating early Intel systems.

Those people who bought top-of-the-line G5 systems three years ago are affected the most at present, but that's a relatively small number of Apple customers. So for them it's unfortunate but things just work out that way sometimes.

 

[AidenShaw]

The whole hardware being outdated thing reminds me of the initial switch to Vista.

No, it shouldn't. Vista didn't arbitrarily refuse to run on recent high end systems.

Vista's minimums are:

■1 GHz 32-bit (x86) or 64-bit (x64) processor
■512 MiB of system memory
■20 GB hard drive with at least 15 GB of available space
■Support for DirectX 9 graphics and 32 MiB of graphics memory
■DVD-ROM drive​

Looking at a Fry's ad from early 2004, the $500 special is:

■2.7 GHz Pentium 4 processor
■512 MiB of system memory (up to 2 GiB supported)
■80 GB hard drive
■GMA with 32 MiB of graphics memory (open slot for discreet graphics card)
■DVD-ROM drive​

So, if you had a three year old low end $500 PC you'd probably want to put some extra memory in for Vista - and maybe a graphics card (256 MiB GeForce AGP for $35 at Newegg) for the eye candy.

If you have a three year old top-of-the-line Apple PC, you're out of luck.

 

[jmpage2]

No, it shouldn't. Vista didn't arbitrarily refuse to run on recent high end systems.

Vista's minimums are:

■1 GHz 32-bit (x86) or 64-bit (x64) processor
■512 MiB of system memory
■20 GB hard drive with at least 15 GB of available space
■Support for DirectX 9 graphics and 32 MiB of graphics memory
■DVD-ROM drive​

Looking at a Fry's ad from early 2004, the $500 special is:

■2.7 GHz Pentium 4 processor
■512 MiB of system memory (up to 2 GiB supported)
■80 GB hard drive
■GMA with 32 MiB of graphics memory (open slot for discreet graphics card)
■DVD-ROM drive​

So, if you had a three year old low end $500 PC you'd probably want to put some extra memory in for Vista - and maybe a graphics card (256 MiB GeForce AGP for $35 at Newegg) for the eye candy.

If you have a three year old top-of-the-line Apple PC, you're out of luck.

While his purchase was 3 years ago, the model of PPC he bought was released almost four years ago.

If you go in and buy a model right before the refresh and know that the architecture that you are buying is completely going away, you can't exactly have a fit about it when they stop supporting you a few years down the line for completely new OS's.

Leopard runs fine on his machine, what exactly is he missing out on anyway?

 

[farleysmaster]

Could we please talk about PPCs in every thread? There must be a tangential way of linking them to every word in the dictionary.

Now can someone please tell me why my iPod touch is not booting up in 64-bit?

 

[gmcalpin]

My question is - does the Mac Pro "think" that it is an iMac, as I transferred over all of my account information etc, and as such is this compromising the performance that I should be getting from a Mac Pro.

The answer is no, and… yes, it's kind of a silly question. But there's no harm in that.

Click on your About This Mac (or look at the System Profiler). It should accurately reflect what you're using. If it doesn't, then that's seriously messed up, and you should definitely do a clean install, but I've never heard of that happening.

 

[AidenShaw]

While his purchase was 3 years ago, the model of PPC he bought was released almost four years ago.

Which is just as relevant as the fact that the Mac Pro case was designed 6 1/2 years ago. The purchase was 3 years ago.

I was commenting on the notion that dropping PPC support was comparable to Vista however, not on whether now was the right time to discontinue support PPC systems.

 

[jmpage2]

Which is just as relevant as the fact that the Mac Pro case was designed 6 1/2 years ago. The purchase was 3 years ago.

I was commenting on the notion that dropping PPC support was comparable to Vista however, not on whether now was the right time to discontinue support PPC systems.

You're missing the point. If people want to point out how easily (with RAM and video card upgrades) an older PC could run Windows 7 (the comparable release to Snow Leopard) then they should look at PCs that were being sold four years ago, not three.

While high end machines from four years ago could run Windows 7 without breaking a sweat, the majority of them would require hardware upgrades of some kind.

The bottom line is that computer technology changes rapidly. Architecture changes. There are probably people really angry and miffed that they can't get the new top of the line GPU in AGP form factor for their 2-3 year old motherboards.

In the case of Apple releasing Intel it should have been obvious to anyone with a remedial understanding of computers that it signaled the eventual death knell of PPC.

 

[bergmef]

When the PPC was bought, did Apple promise that it would run snow kitty?

I guess I should be pissed because my core duo won't freaking run in 64 bit mode.

 

[Eidorian]

Do you by chance have an external HD connected which contains an additional iTunes library? The stalling may be due to iTunes attempting to access external or redundant files located in secondary libraries.

iTunes is stored locally on the internal hard drive.

 

[Azazyl]

So it was only 9.8 on my June MBP. It also disabled Candybar so it doesn't work now! Anyone else have this problem?

I am also having issues with CandyBar. Bought the software got to play with it for 10 minutes, updated to 10.6.1. And CandyBar was broke. I have contacted panic software and asked them what the deal is since they have not responded via twitter and have no info on the site. Seems odd to me to charge 30 bucks for a piece of software and that people seem to purchase quite often, and not check out new patches to the OS you develop for.

 

[twoodcc]

i wonder why the flash fix wasn't in the update summary. i still need to install it though

 

[matticus008]

I’ll agree that he’s overreacting…a lot. But I disagree with the idea that a three year old computer is ancient.

Ancient, no. But three years or three days after you buy something, a new feature or technology could be developed and introduced on new hardware.

The only guarantee you ever have when you buy something is that it does everything advertised, warrantied, and specified at the time of purchase. There is never any reliance on any future software updates being compatible, new features being supported in hardware, or anything else.

If it works, great. It changes nothing. That computer, bought more than a year after the announcement that PowerPC was being discontinued, still does absolutely everything it did when it shipped.

In fact, it has received about a dozen OS updates, and was perfectly in line with Intel software for almost three years after he bought it. It's not like he woke up the next day and nothing worked.

Years ago, I bought a Windows Mobile smartphone that couldn't be updated to the next released version less than a year after I bought it, even though it had sufficient specs. Microsoft discontinued support for the processor it had, and they did it concurrently with the release announcement--not four years ahead of time. You know what? It continued to work as well as it ever had long after that.

I don't see what the problem is - I use a G3 iMac running Tiger and a new 2.93GHz iMac running Snow Leopard. Apple releasing Snow Leopard only for Intel machines hasn't stopped my old G3 working just as well as it always has.

Exactly.

It doesn't make sense to expect post-sale improvements to products you buy. If it works as it was supposed to when you bought it, you got what you paid for. There are plenty of examples both directions in computing, both of decade-old technology being supported and of hardware just weeks old suddenly becoming obsolete. People tend to forget about the latter when they want to make themselves upset by creating false expectations.

 

[mgridgaway]

I just wanted to say that I've been using SL since near launch and haven't had any problems to date, aside from early adopter compatibility issues, which isn't really apple's fault.

As far as I'm concerned, any PPC should be running Tiger. It's solid (as a rock!) and you're not really missing out on much when it comes to Leopard.

Besides, anyone with half a sense in business should understand that this is basically a forced obsolescence to get PPC owners to jump on the Intel bandwagon. After all, Apple makes the bulk of its revenue from hardware sales.

 

[-js-]

To anyone with sense:

Please stop responding to HyperZboy. He's a troll, plain and simple. SL has nothing to do with PPC, yet here he is again, trolling. Just leave him be. Don't feed the trolls. Please. Just a suggestion.

 

[snakesqzns]

I don't understand why people are posting problems! I've been using thousands of Apple products for over 75 years and *not once* have they ever not operated with 100% perfection, filled my loins with vigor, and blessed me with unlimited happiness in all aspects of my existence.

Anyone posting otherwise is simply a troll or part of an insignificant vocal minority of extremist compulsive liars and M$ shills!

 

[avidmacuser]

What this update IS to me:
a) An excellent indication that apple is making efforts to quickly address and solve some of the problems introduced by a x.0 release
b) Further refinements to an operating system of and for the future. Perhaps not perfect today but it will get there progressively.


What this update IS NOT to me:
An ultimate and final fix for all issues users are experiencing. Although many, I have only experienced apparent issues with third party applications that may not yet be updated for Snow Leopard compatibility and prompt efforts from the developers would be appreciated and expected as we move forward.

I have now upgraded to SL as updates have been promptly issued for software I relied on in 10.5.x - Smooth sailing and impressive experience so far and no issues that I can report at this time, although I do wish that my less than one year old iMac would support OpenCL computing. Boo-hoo!