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lelereb said:
Store is still down, but it seems that the 12" ibook has no superdrive option. AGAIN!!!! That's ridiculous.

Store is up now, but you're right! Why would Apple intentionally not allow this?
 
adamNet said:
Apple didnt really make this seem like a big deal.....the rumors did..


Yup, and the people who believed and spread the rumors.

The process is pretty simple:

1) Apple doesn't say a thing about an update.

2) Rumors get started somewhere.

3) People who should know better perpetuate the rumor.

4) People continue to perpetuate the rumor, adding in here and there.

5) Rumor perpetuating continues.

6) Apple releases new product, that doesn't match rumored product (and they never said it would).

7) People whine.

8) People whine.

9) People whine.


Then, there is a lull, and then the whole process starts up again with a different product.

Widescreen here is a classic example. Apple NEVER said that they were moving the iBook to widescreen. Some idiot started a rumor that they were. Now that it hasn't happened, people feel let down. They should feel let down, but with themselves for getting so hyped up, not with anyone else.

The only time I have heard valid whining recently is when SJ promised 3Ghz and then couldn't deliver.
 
macrumors12345 said:
Whatever. You just want Apple to sell you a Powerbook at a $200 loss. I'm going to use the Student Union discount to buy the new iBook for an effective price of $800. I'd like to see you find an $800 PC laptop that has even 70% of these features, all of which I appreciate:

(1) sub 5 lbs
(2) scrolling trackpad
(3) built in Bluetooth
(4) sudden motion sensor
(5) DX9 capable video card (*not* a shared memory solution!)
(6) slot loading drive

The only thing that is clearly sub-par about the iBook is the processor (more precisely, the front side bus), which Apple can do very little about. Motorola decides what they do and do not want to offer in the G4, and the only thing Apple can do if they don't like is something really extreme like switching to Intel. Oh, wait, that's what they're doing...

I'm going to soup mine up with a 1 GB DIMM (3rd party, of course) and put in a 60 GB 5400 rpm drive (CompUSA will do the install for only 30 bucks!). That will be a very nice laptop for the next year until the Macintel 'books come out. And when they do come out, I guarantee you I will still be able to resell my iBook for only one to two hundred dollars less than I bought it for (whereas if I wasted my money on a PC notebook, it could easily depreciate by 40-50% in the same timeframe).


What i really fail to see in most of the arguments is that ... dedicated graphics is not required for windows! it simply does not use it!! and with the advent of PCI express there is even less use for it ... may be when Vista is relaesed people might get some interest. I read a review where it says that 900 GMA Intel is as good as low end graphics (accelerate WMV, RM ,Mpeg 2/4) ! ... Mac OS X requires one! there you go.

1.4 Ghz celeron - M ( 1MB L2 + 400 FSB)
900 GMA = low end graphics
512 MB 2700 RAM
40 GB HD
Combo
Wireless + BT
14" XGA

costs = 519$ ... at HPshopping .... academic site!! yes there is a HP Academic site ... i book marked it ... i will post it if people ask for it!! so there you go!
 
OMG - I just saw on the Apple site it has 512 MB on board RAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I was wrong again (I said yesterday that there was no way it would have 512 MB onboard because that would give it a higher total memory capacity than the 12" Powerbook). Unbelievable. Hehe, I've rarely been so pleased to be wrong!!

This must imply that PB updates are coming within the next two or three months (which is no big surprise given that we know the 7448 is shipping by October).
 
Would have been nice to see a redesigned shell and improved displays with a wide aspect.

I guess it sort of makes sense that we have to wait for the Intel versions of these machines to get a real overhaul.
 
MikeH said:
Maybe we have to wait for Intel before we see real improvements in spec.

isn't it "sad" that we wouldn't have even thought about writing this down a few years ago?

me needs an iBook. now that iBook updates are here. how long would we wait for hopefully the REAL iBook update?
 
budugu said:
What i really fail to see in most of the arguments is that ... dedicated graphics is not required for windows! it simply does not use it!! and with the advent of PCI express there is even less use for it ... may be when Vista is relaesed people might get some interest. I read a review where it says that 900 GMA Intel is as good as low end graphics (accelerate WMV, RM ,Mpeg 2/4) ! ... Mac OS X requires one! there you go.

1.4 Ghz celeron - M ( 1MB L2 + 400 FSB)
900 GMA = low end graphics
512 MB 2700 RAM
40 GB HD
Combo
Wireless + BT
14" XGA

costs = 519$ ... at HPshopping .... academic site!! yes there is a HP Academic site ... i book marked it ... i will post it if people ask for it!! so there you go!

Go ahead. I don't see it on the site you mention, and I guarantee is does not meet the criterion that I posted.
 
I like how you can get a very usable, feature-rich machine (airport, bluetooth, decent RAM) without BTO. Makes stuff a lot easier.

Two-finger scrolling isn't that important, due to the whole iScroll2 thing, I'm already using it on my 1GHz iBook. Great feature, its just that I don't care if it is "official" :p

SMS seems like a bit of a gimmick. I haven't dropped my iBook yet, and I have Applecare and backups, so meh. Though, the whole using it as a tilt-sensor controller for games... now THAT is cool! That alone makes me think about upgrading. I want to play that game where you guide the marble around a track by tilting the play field with two knobs on the sides of the box, only by tilting my whole computer.

My sister is getting an iBook for school. Now I can recommend she just pick up a stock model from Amazon or something, rather than a BTO. This is GREAT for back-to-school.

I'll be sticking with my maxed-out 12-inch 1GHz G4 iBook for now. With 1.25 gigs of RAM and Tiger, it's running fine.
 
DTphonehome said:
There's a simple software hack to allow dual-monitors on iBooks. Just google for it.

It may allow dual-monitors, but it doesn't double the VRAM. That means a PowerBook is still better (32MB per screen) than an iBook (16MB per screen).
 
macrumors12345 said:
The x86 laptops you're looking at have the high glare screens. They are certainly brighter, which I agree does make them look kind of cool, but the glare they throw off is horrendous (I can clearly see my reflection in them at any angle, any time). In terms of actual usability, I don't want my screen to be a mirror, so for the time being I would prefer that Apple stick with what works best, rather than what looks coolest.
Actually, I wasn't referring to the X-Brite screens...
 
redAPPLE said:
isn't it "sad" that we wouldn't have even thought about writing this down a few years ago?

me needs an iBook. now that iBook updates are here. how long would we wait for hopefully the REAL iBook update?

One year. If you need it today, I'd buy the cheapest one now, Ebay/Craigslist it next year, and upgrade (if you need to). That is the great thing about Macs - total cost of ownership is much lower than PCs if you are trying to keep your systems up to date, because they depreciate much slower (so higher resale value).
 
DTphonehome said:
I agree. In fact, they need to boost resolutions across the entire laptop line. When I got my first powerbook 3 years ago, the screen was on par with, or slightly better than the PC market's screens. The screen on today's PB is exactly the same as my old one. On the other hand, I recently played around with a couple of my friends' PC laptops, and the screens are amazing. In 3 years, they've come a LONG way. Why shouldn't the 15" and 17" PB be HiDef? The LCD panels exist! Hell, HP is putting them into midrange laptops! Surely the "Pro" PowerBooks should get them.

780i is 1280x720 and 480p is 852x480. Those are High-Def resolutions, and the Powerbook 15 and 17 can do both of those. They won't do 1080i (1,920x1,080) or 1080p (not sure if anything is even broadcast in the US in 1080p).

Symantecs aside, I agree that Apple's LCD tech has fallen behind. It's sad to say but I am guessing we'll have to wait for the Intel chips to see new laptop form factors. For now I'll "suffer" with my slow old aging Powerbook 15", and love every second of it - it's a great computer. :)

Jeff
 
Wow, 60GB Upgrade went from $75 to $50. I guess cause it comes with a 40 now. I'm debating changing to an 80....but it's double the price (was before too @ $125).
 
James L said:
Yup, and the people who believed and spread the rumors.

The process is pretty simple:

1) Apple doesn't say a thing about an update.

2) Rumors get started somewhere.

3) People who should know better perpetuate the rumor.

4) People continue to perpetuate the rumor, adding in here and there.

5) Rumor perpetuating continues.

6) Apple releases new product, that doesn't match rumored product (and they never said it would).

7) People whine.

8) People whine.

9) People whine.QUOTE]


Thats funny, i'm sure the process goes like this;

1) Product line gets old, and spec low

2) People moan about wanting to do really 'cool' things that they just cant.

3) People see much better specs on cheaper pc's

4) Penny soon drops, that apple had better be working on somthing new!

5) new stuff comes out, at which point people say. Oh right you weren't actually working on new features. And you really are content screwing the price boundaries.
 
James L said:
Yup, and the people who believed and spread the rumors.

The process is pretty simple:

1) Apple doesn't say a thing about an update.

2) Rumors get started somewhere.

3) People who should know better perpetuate the rumor.

4) People continue to perpetuate the rumor, adding in here and there.

5) Rumor perpetuating continues.

6) Apple releases new product, that doesn't match rumored product (and they never said it would).

7) People whine.

8) People whine.

9) People whine.
Thats funny, i'm sure the process goes like this;

1) Product line gets old, and spec low

2) People moan about wanting to do really 'cool' things that they just cant.

3) People see much better specs on cheaper pc's

4) Penny soon drops, that apple had better be working on somthing new!

5) new stuff comes out, at which point people say. Oh right you weren't actually working on new features. And you really are content screwing the price boundaries.
 
Core Graphics?

Anyone recognized the radeon 9550 ? Its compatible with Core Graphics. Not too bad for that price i would say.

Cheers
 
adamjaskie said:
SMS seems like a bit of a gimmick.

I thought that too, until I read a CNET review about how they test dropped the 17" PB onto a pillow, and as soon as the fall began it immediately stopped/locked up the DVD drive (they had a movie playing), and then after it came to a rest the DVD started right back up where it left off. Pretty cool stuff.

Also, I think it is a bit more useful on the iBook than the Powerbook. The iBook case/frame is pretty darn tough (tougher than the PB), so it can stand up to a decent fall. But, at least in the previous version, the internals might not. Now the internals can (remember, an HD with its drive parked is rated to survive 3-4 times more acceleration than one without its drive parked).

Not that I plan to drop my iBook all over the place, but honestly you never know what can happen.
 
Not bad really. More RAM, new graphics card, faster processor(s).

That's a classic 'update' ain't it?

Agreed on the rumour whining. When will people realise that Apple is not about to hamstring it's Powerbook range by matching the iBook's specs to it?!

It was the same before WWDC. Most people were asking for 3GHZ Dual Core G5's and all that jazz when it was so unlikely it was stupid. Occasionally there will be a stunning new product, but gradual updates are the norm. Live with it.

By the way - anyone know when the first Dual Processor Quad Core Pentium 12's are out? I read elsewhere it would be next Tuesday - here's hoping, I can't wait!! :p
 
steve_hill4 said:
I am very disappointed with the upgrade. Why do apple always make it seem a big deal when they have barely changed anything, it's so frustrating that they know they have us over a barrell.

When did Apple make a big deal of the update? All they did was update the line with some mildly better specs for the same price. The only people who made it a big deal were the rumormongerers (they are among us). Why do people take rumors as gospel?

As for the updates themselves, they're pretty much what reasonable people expected. Why would Apple create a completely different mobo and form factor to put out a WS iBook with a 64MB GPU on it, only to do it all over again next year for the Intel chips? That kind of redesign comes out with the intent to last a few years, not 9-12 months.

Apple upgraded as much as they could without stomping on the PowerBook. Want to blame someone for the "crap" update? Blame IBM for stalling the PPC. Blame all the people who created yet another "LOOK! iBook WS!!!!" thread for building up expectations.
 
Cooknn said:
Actually, I wasn't referring to the X-Brite screens...

X-Brite aren't the only ones...they're are a lot of high glare ones out there now. But obviously you are the only one who knows exactly which ones you were looking at.
 
I like how apple combined the two 14" models. I am hoping they do the same for the 15" powerbook and put a 1.8 ghz processor in it. Of course, same price.
 
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