Apple Releases Ninth Beta of macOS Big Sur to Developers

[uneeko1ne]

Really wish they'd fix the taskbar icon's move them a little closer together but thats my only problem really wish Big Sur

 

[SuperSonic80]

Could someone take a screenshot of the desktop with the Window menubar section selected? Want to see if it's still misaligned when a checkbox is in the menu.

 

[VictorTango777]

Each vendor decides that for themselves. In this case, that's Apple. For now, Big Sur is still considered beta by the company that is developing and supporting it. This has certain connotations and should set certain expectations within the user base.



Of course. All software has bugs.



I'm not seeing the relevance of this point, but yes, it's true. No matter the product (software, hardware, cars, politicians, etc) some people will forgive all manner of things.



That would be silly. When a product is in a beta phase, regardless of what quality expectations that has for you or me or anyone else, it means the company isn't willing to support it in an official capacity yet. It means that anyone that chooses to run that software does so in an extremely 'caveat emptor' mode. The company is telling us, under no uncertain terms "this software is NOT ready for prime time production".

After official release, they will then offer official support, publicly address bugs, and so forth. Not before. Treating every release of software as official production isn't fair to the company, isn't fair to us, and definitely isn't fair to the less technically apt that take on that mindset.

Since even "production" releases of MacOS have had issues that somehow were not addressed before releasing to the public, maybe every MacOS release should be treated as beta and don't feel the need to rush to Apple's defense when you see someone refer to certain "production" releases of MacOS as "beta quality".

 

[Black Magic]

8 betas (9 now) and they didn’t fix the fan issue with the MacBook Pro 16-inch when connected to an external monitor. At this point I’m ready to give up and sale this piece of c.... machine.

I bet if you clean installed beta 9, your fan problem goes away. Also, going forward, you should avoid betas because it's clear you have no idea what you are doing and what a beta is meant for.

 

[BarrettF77]

For the record the fan issue crops up when you have the lid open and are using external displays. When the lid is closed the issue doesn’t exist.

 

[CPark98]

It seems as if they have tightened the spacing of the Menu Bar Items in this beta

 

[q64ceo]

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Thanks. Looks like the misalignment is still there. I was hoping that this would be corrected, but apparently it seems that it is a feature.

 

[Philip_S]

does anyone use QuickTime lol

It supports more H265 videos than TV (I have no idea why, I'd have assumed the video player code was identical but I have files which play in QT but not TV) and uses less power than VLC.

 

[spymousetruck]

This one's worse than beta 8. I noticed an overall system slowdown on a MBP 16" and now scrolling / mouse movement in any app has gone terribly glitchy and laggy. Maybe it's just me but if you haven't updated to beta 9, I'd suggest you wait for beta 10.

 

[dliu99]

Desktop preference panel is blank when selecting a folder of photos.

 

[ateslik]

Your gonna sell your machine because beta software isn’t ready for production machines? Just think how stupid what you said is.

OP is saying that this bug that has been around since November 2019 has still not been fixed, even 8 betas into the next major release of this OS. As illustrated by this whopper 161 page, 4011 posts thread:

(2019) 16" is HOT & NOISY with an external monitor! :(

I have a similar experience (i7 / 5300m): Radeon High Side: 17-18W Quiet fans:

forums.macrumors.com

 

[calvinchan.hkg]

This one's worse than beta 8. I noticed an overall system slowdown on a MBP 16" and now scrolling / mouse movement in any app has gone terribly glitchy and laggy. Maybe it's just me but if you haven't updated to beta 9, I'd suggest you wait for beta 10.

thanks for your info..

Besides, Do you feel that the launching animation of "Preview.app" has glitchy or choppy even in previous versions?
e.g, when double click any files such as PDF, Jpeg...etc... "preview.app" often launches so choppy in my MBP 16", even it is using AMD dGPU (5500M).

but my iMAC doesn't feel any issue about it.... I dunno why..

 

[IslandLife]

8 betas (9 now) and they didn’t fix the fan issue with the MacBook Pro 16-inch when connected to an external monitor. At this point I’m ready to give up and sale this piece of c.... machine.

I'm using Beta 8 on a 16-inch MBP with external monitor (LG). No fan issues for me. Maybe there's a software conflict?

Safari is having issues connecting to a wide variety of websites for me. Hope that that will get fixed. Also, since updating to WatchOS 7 (now 7.0.1), i can't pair with the MBP for unlocking anymore.

 

[mxrider88]

Continuity and handoff bugs on multiuser Macs that I’ve been reporting since OS X Yosemite are still here on beta 9. Unbelievable. Just unbelievable.

 

[DaveMcM76]

Also, since updating to WatchOS 7 (now 7.0.1), i can't pair with the MBP for unlocking anymore.

If you have a dig through the beta 8 post somebody posted a fix for this which involves deleting some entries from the keychain and a couple of files in finder and letting them get regenerated. I had the same problem and it fixed it for me.

Edit: This was the link to the fix https://discussions.apple.com/thread/251803595?login=true&page=3 as provided by jz0309

 

[adam-stark]

Desktop preference panel is blank when selecting a folder of photos.

Yup I get this as well, then if you close and re-open system preferences after attempting to add a folder to the desktop preference panel, you get a System preferences crash...

I will report in Feedback

A.

 

[Mike Haas]

Yup I get this as well, then if you close and re-open system preferences after attempting to add a folder to the desktop preference panel, you get a System preferences crash...

I will report in Feedback

A.

It's better than Beta 8 but you're right, it takes Desktop and Screensaver Prefs info such as additional folders you might have added, time to populate. Much faster than Beta 8 but still very noticeable.

 

[Jeroen (Jeremy) Fransen]

All of the rumors are pointing towards Apple having two more events, one on October 13, and one in November. The October 13 is specifically for iPhones and air tags. So I highly doubt that they will release Big Sur at that event.
What’s more likely is:
Event announcement: October 6.
After event: iOS 14.1, watchOS 7.0.2 and tvOS 14.1 all launch with support for iPhone 12.
October 14: Big Sur Beta 10 release.
October 27: Big Sur GM released.
November 4: ARM Mac event announced for either November 10 or November 11. The event invitations go out on Wednesday because Tuesday is Election Day.
November 10/11: Big Sur is released, along side an updated ARM 13.3 inch MBP and an updated Intel 16 inch MBP. iOS 14.2, watchOS 7.1 and tvOS 14.2 are all released as well, and, finally, the HomePod update is released.
So after The November event, all the versions that are currently in beta will be finally released.
At least this is the strategy I would go for. I think they want to launch Big Sur alongside some new macs, and give it another month or so of testing compared to normal, since it’s an entire design change.
Then the rumored super slim 12 inch ARMBook would launch in December with Big Sur 11.0.1

Did you hear any rumours on the 'updated Intel 16 inch MBP' you mention? I'm hesitating whether to return my MBP 16 inch as I'm still within the 14 days after purchase.
I run the MBP with the lid open and connected with a 4k external display (hidpi) through a USB-c displayport cable, seeing an average temp of 65 and fans around 2000. With the latest Big Sur Developer betas things improved slightly to this level.

 

[stefman]

This one's worse than beta 8. I noticed an overall system slowdown on a MBP 16" and now scrolling / mouse movement in any app has gone terribly glitchy and laggy. Maybe it's just me but if you haven't updated to beta 9, I'd suggest you wait for beta 10.

Totally agree, haven't been able to launch iMessage or Pages. Feels like I took a step backwards instead of closer to gold master

 

[n-evo]

Really wish they'd fix the taskbar icon's move them a little closer together but thats my only problem really wish Big Sur

macOS doesn’t have a taskbar. That’s Windows. On macOS you either have the menu bar or Dock.

 

[gussyboy]

macOS doesn’t have a taskbar. That’s Windows. On macOS you either have the menu bar or Dock.

Their clearly taking about the menu icons in the top right

 

[Ries]

Your gonna sell your machine because beta software isn’t ready for production machines? Just think how stupid what you said is.

The problem has been there since day one. It's unfixable, it's hardware, you plug in and external monitor and so much heat is generated, that the fans spin up, regardless if you actually do anything on it.

 

[ErikGrim]

Did not fix XCOM 2 War of the Chosen (and potentially other OpenGL or same engine) graphics glitch.

 

[loby]

All of the rumors are pointing towards Apple having two more events, one on October 13, and one in November. The October 13 is specifically for iPhones and air tags. So I highly doubt that they will release Big Sur at that event.
What’s more likely is:
Event announcement: October 6.
After event: iOS 14.1, watchOS 7.0.2 and tvOS 14.1 all launch with support for iPhone 12.
October 14: Big Sur Beta 10 release.
October 27: Big Sur GM released.
November 4: ARM Mac event announced for either November 10 or November 11. The event invitations go out on Wednesday because Tuesday is Election Day.
November 10/11: Big Sur is released, along side an updated ARM 13.3 inch MBP and an updated Intel 16 inch MBP. iOS 14.2, watchOS 7.1 and tvOS 14.2 are all released as well, and, finally, the HomePod update is released.
So after The November event, all the versions that are currently in beta will be finally released.
At least this is the strategy I would go for. I think they want to launch Big Sur alongside some new macs, and give it another month or so of testing compared to normal, since it’s an entire design change.
Then the rumored super slim 12 inch ARMBook would launch in December with Big Sur 11.0.1

Nice analysis, but probably Apple is not that logical..

 

[ArtOfWarfare]

MacOS Mountain Lion was a 4.2 GB download
MacOS Mavericks was a 5GB download.
MacOS Catalina was a 8.5GB download.

MacOS literally doubled in size in just a few years, due to hundreds of new features and the thousands of lines of new code they had to write for that.

More code = more testing = more beta's. I'd rather have 14 Big Sur beta's and a solid GM than the Catalina drama all over again.

The size of the download is not a good way to measure the amount of code. It’s likely mostly art assets. Didn’t retina screens get introduced between those releases, necessitating higher resolutions for all their artwork?