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Apple Releases Safari 5.1.2 with 'White Flash' and PDF Viewing Fixes

Well, over half the Windows population is on Windows XP and is not changing. My work has twenty PCs working, and 12 are using XP. There are hundreds of millions of computers running XP. Nobody is upgrading to Windows Vista. Windows 7 is the current Windows' flagship product.

Leopard on the other hand represents a very small portion of the installed base. Less than 24 percent of the installed base, and the percentage is dropping. Makes no sense to support a very small population of Mac users.

chukronos said:
But Aple still support updates to Safari for XP and 7. They don't do the same for their own software/hardware.
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topmounter said:
People still use Safari?
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I don't. It's not like I'm deliberately avoiding it, I've used it on a rare occasion.

It's just that I preferred Firefox on my Mac's & PC's until Jan of this year. Then work switched to Chrome, the number & kind of extensions they offered was perfect for our needs.

Within weeks it seems like the selection exploded to include everything I had in Firefox at home and more. Therefore I switched my personal Macs to Chrome & haven't looked back. Over the last few months the Chrome store has added a windfall of excellent free Apps & Extensions.

They are so useful & time saving I'm very impressed, completely happy, and definitely staying with Chrome. It's so fast on my SSD equipped Macs & PC's all maxed out with ram, it's almost unbelievable.
 
That likely has nothing to do with it. It is estimated that there are about 1.2 billion PCs users. Over a billion of those users are running some variant of Windows. About 500 million users are running XP. This represents about half Microsoft's installed base. About 94 million people are running the Mac OS. Less than 25 percent of the Mac installed base uses Leopard, so this is about 23 million people.

So the answer seems obvious Apple is supporting XP because roughly 500 million people use it. Apple is not supporting Leopard because about 23 million people use it. It is a matter of where are you going to sink your limited resources.

inlovewithi said:
They don't make any money if people upgrade from XP to Windows 7. Refusing to upgrade my Mac OS after a couple of years, just so that I could use some current software was a big reason why I sold my MacBook.
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Mr. Retrofire said:
QuarterSwede said:
It does once you load the PDF.
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No, it does not in Safari 5.1+ under Snow Leopard (10.6.8 + all updates).

It just shows a context menu regarding the size of the PDF. Safari shows "your" full context menu in <= v5.0.6, so i assume you talk about Safari <= v5.0.6.
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True and confusing to not have it where expected (10.6.8 / 5.1.1). It messed me up a while until I realized that moving the mouse to get the grey box at the bottom of the window gave me the Preview option. Not the same, but workable.
 
Robocopper said:
Obviously you are not running Lion... this has to be the most memory hogging unstable software I have ever used.

And since when did a browser update need to be 49.2MB in size? This is crazy stuff.

And it requires a restart. This is as bad as Internet Explorer 5 years ago. Chrome is faster, smoother, has a much better integrated search/URL bar, and never requires a system restart. What gives?
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Many apps uses the webkit framework like Help files, internal browsing views and quicklook on html file, thus the full system restart requirement for all of them to work correctly. Same reasons that IE requires the system restarts, it's the default OS engine for other apps.

Apple can definitely switch to delta updates, I'm not sure why they didn't. Webkit nightly does take advantage of delta updates already. It will happen eventually, they're moving toward delta updates for everything else.

Chrome is self-contained, has nothing to do with any other apps, which is why it doesn't need system restarts.

wizard said:
I suspect fixing the memory leak bug will help with many issues. In the end though this is a new generation of web browser, once it is fully fleshed out it will be putting far more of your hardware to work, both CPU and GPU cores. As you note below we are already benefiting from a more responsive browser.
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Safari is suffering from the same issue as the other browsers, the extensions APIs are immature and can easily increase memory leaks from bad extensions. There are extensions that'd double Safari's memory usage just by loading it. Since each sandbox takes up its own memory space, we're talking about dozens of sandboxes easily since each tab, plug-in (Flash, Sliverlight, etc) and extensions have separate sandboxes, each one taking up more memory.

jent said:
That's so annoying! What causes it?

And what version of Safari was this introduced in? 5.0? 5.1?
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Immature webkit2 framework, it'll take time for Apple and Webkit2 project to get it optimized. Read the above answer to see why Safari 5.1 is suffering from a lot of memory leaks.
 
smartalic34 said:
That's exactly the point inlovewithi was trying to make - Apple doesn't stand to gain any benefit from people upgrading from XP --> W7, so they keep supporting old Windows editions to get maximum market share (to possibly convert people to Mac OS?)... However, since they kill support for Apple hardware sooner, it "forces" people already in the Mac OS ecosystem to upgrade and they make more money.
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Apple supports Windows XP because the vast majority of the world uses Windows XP. People using PPC macs were always a small number, and that number has probably dwindled down to a few hundred thousand at best.

Also, since Webkit hooks into so much underlying hardware, it is far easier to support XP (which runs on Intel) than PPC Macs, which run on a completely different architecture.
 
SandboxGeneral said:
It requires a restart! Bummer. There goes 47 days and 11 hours of uptime on my iMac! Maybe I'll wait for a while longer since I don't have any of the issues in this fix.
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Back in the old days, I used to see Unix and Netware servers routinely hit 1 year of uptime and more. But in today's world, valuing uptime is the enemy of computer security. Long uptimes (47 days doesn't remotely qualify, BTW) just mean you've needlessly left your machine potentially exploitable - nothing more.
 
New bug...

A new experience for me on my Mid-2010 iMac:

After launching Safari and Reload(ing) All Windows From Last Session, only the web pages in the front-most tabs load. Pages in the background tabs do not load until those tabs are selected and their contents made visible.

...there goes half the value of restoring multiple websites with two clicks. =/
 
Tab reloads

The tabs reload issue is simply inexcusable. This may seem incendiary, but I hope this does not signal the post Jobs era. The tab reload bug is huge HUGE, making using Safari a liability for real work in real situation where data lose is important. I just can't believe they released a browser with such a massive flaw...
 
adcx64 said:
not showing up in the updater. ill try later. maybe because im on a powerpc mac?
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Safari 5.0.6 is the latest version that can run on Leopard, Mac OS X 10.5.8; obviously any Power Mac; PPC.

Safari 5.1.2 actually requires Mac OS 10.7.2; iCloud ready Lion! I'm amazed that it won't even run on Snow Leopard at all! Not even Lion 10.7.0!

Wow adcx64, your 9 year old PowerMac G4 is still half the speed of the slowest Intel Mac only 1 year old! (MacBook Air 11" 1.4 GHz Core 2 Duo, late 2010). That's some endurance!

My MacBook Pro became vintage last month (5 years old) but it was the very first Core 2 Duo, so it'll have some endurance too! It still runs Lion, and maybe even Mac OS X 10.8 (as long as 32-bit kernel is supported still with my 32-bit EFI).
 
Does anyone know if this is the same as the version sent out to developers last month?

Software Update says that nothing new is available and when I tried manually downloading it it said that it was unable to because of a newer version already being installed.
 
krolingo said:
You are kidding right? Apple abandoned PPC 5 years ago...
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I still have PPC's that run as well as new. They are among my favorites even though I have the latest MBP & MBA. There's a lot to said for a well sorted PowerBook G4. My Nov 2002 15" Ti is a shining example.
 
krolingo said:
You are kidding right? Apple abandoned PPC 5 years ago...
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The first Intel Macs were introduced in January of 2006. The Core Duo MacBook Pro. That's almost 6 years old! I think the last line of PPC Macs were introduced over 6 years ago, perhaps the Mac Mini (September 27, 2005), and the iMac G5 2.1 GHz 20" iSight (October 12, 2005)?

The latest discontinued date are the newest PowerMacs G5s and Xserves G5s, they were discontinued August 7, 2006. That's well over 5 years ago for sure. (I guess you were right, 5.3 years ago).
 
gatortpk said:
Safari 5.0.6 is the latest version that can run on Leopard, Mac OS X 10.5.8; obviously any Power Mac; PPC.

Safari 5.1.2 actually requires Mac OS 10.7.2; iCloud ready Lion! I'm amazed that it won't even run on Snow Leopard at all! Not even Lion 10.7.0!

Wow adcx64, your 9 year old PowerMac G4 is still half the speed of the slowest Intel Mac only 1 year old! (MacBook Air 11" 1.4 GHz Core 2 Duo, late 2010). That's some endurance!

My MacBook Pro became vintage last month (5 years old) but it was the very first Core 2 Duo, so it'll have some endurance too! It still runs Lion, and maybe even Mac OS X 10.8 (as long as 32-bit kernel is supported still with my 32-bit EFI).
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Software update shows 5.1.2 as available for me and I'm running Snow Leopard - hate the Lion - sorry.

Anyone know if it fixes the Safari privacy and cookie problem?
 
carlgo said:
Thanks, yes I did. Have been all over the internet looking for answer. I found references to bogus Adobe Flash downloads and some people have reported some sort of redirect, which I don't have. I trashed everything Flash that I could find.

I do have some sort of domain code 303 thing. Google is the only site that won't open for me, as far as I can tell. That makes me think it is some sort of malware.

Any help is appreciated.
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Try a DNS reset? That's my last measure to fix broken sites; but since it works in other browsers, I am doubtful.

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Guess i'll give safari another chance. I really hope this fixes the stability issues. My policy for every safari update is that if i get one single beach ball crash, it's back to chrome for me. I like the safari interface, but as of now chrome has been much more stable. Hopefully this update will be the one to finally fix that.
 
vitzr said:
I still have PPC's that run as well as new. They are among my favorites even though I have the latest MBP & MBA. There's a lot to said for a well sorted PowerBook G4. My Nov 2002 15" Ti is a shining example.
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I have two of the Titanium PowerBooks. 550 MHz G4. They put Apple on the map for laptops. I can't really use them anymore, and the hinges on one broke so much that the screen finally stopped working.

Perhaps, I'll combine the best of both and have it for collectors. (Are there any collectable Macs? I have the 128K Thin Mac from 1984, I saw the signatures inside the plastic case when I looked one time, that was cool. The 1-bit, 512x384 screen is a bit too small though.)
 
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