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Apple Releases Second OS X Yosemite Golden Master Candidate to Developers, Public Beta 5

poematik13 said:
The UI is very ugly and early 2000's though. Those horrid blue bubble scroll markers and stuff
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He didn't say the prettiest OS X release, he said the most stable and reliable, nothing to do with the actual interface.

I happen to agree. Snow Leopard (10.6.8) is the fastest OS X release I've ever had the pleasure of using. Lion was horrible of which ML, Mavericks improved upon. Yosemite seems better in some areas but in many areas, just not unstable.

Northgrove said:
I bet this is "the one". I can't really imagine a third GM release although it can of course happen.

I wouldn't be surprised if Apple had some documented bugs they knew they wanted to fix, but they wanted to disrupt the Windows 10 party a bit. Seriously, GM Candidate? Has Apple used that terminology before even once?

Also... "Candidate" means exactly that: It could end up being the actual release. That's the definition of candidate. :p It doesn't mean "this isn't final".
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I've played with W10 Tech Preview, MS is on the right track with this one. They went even more lightweight, it's more responsive and it is not as flashy as it needs to be. Reminds me of XP and Windows 7, which were their best ever OS releases. Yosemite is definitely on the wrong track with its silly transparency effects that just kills any smoothness experience for me as of GM 2. Turning it off bought me back to Mavericks performance. The silly mission control, desktops animations and so on are still stuttering on my rMBP '12. I wish I could turn them all off.
 
V.K. said:
yep, agree completely. I only recently and reluctantly updated my mbp to mavericks from Snow Leopard because I wanted icloud sync features but I still miss Snow Leopard. I really really wish Apple would slow down the upgrade cycle for OS X or at least do "snow" versions every other year. these yearly upgrades are killing the quality of the OS - just look at how 10.7, 10.8 and 10.9 turned out. lots of really buggy and half baked stuff which never gets fixed before a new version rolls in and the cycle repeats. meanwhile, lots of older programs desperately in need of updates are left unattended. the bloated mess that's itunes is probably the worst example of that.

I don't recall how stable Tiger was but
10.6.8 was very stable too and far more advanced than Tiger. I recently visited a friend who still has Tiger on his office mac (yes, for reals). he just never updated his OS and Tiger is what his imac came with. I was amazed at how antiquated the 10.4 is even compared to Snow Leopard. no Spaces, no Time machine, no Quicklook, no nothing.
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YES!!!! I would LOVE to go back to the Bertrand Serlet days where we got an OS update every other year. I'd also like if they'd go back to charging for the OS upgrades as well. I feel like giving the devs an extra year in general just works out better. Also if Apple can justify revenue off of the OS they might put more work into it.
 
Cougarcat said:
Well, now it's not an issue, the Iris is a huge improvement over the HD series. I cringed when they announced the 13" retina with a HD 4000, and double-cringed when Phil Schiller said you could play Civ V on it at retina resolutions...
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Running Iris on my macbook pro but i too have some lags in ui...
 
oatman13 said:
As someone who has the Iris Pro and the GT 750M I can tell you that it's not that much better... The UI lags like crazy, especially in the About This Mac section.
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oh yeah, i forgot about that. thats just horrible.
 
i still feeling the UI laggy compared with mavericks even in powerful machine. anyone else?
 
oatman13 said:
YES!!!! I would LOVE to go back to the Bertrand Serlet days where we got an OS update every other year. I'd also like if they'd go back to charging for the OS upgrades as well. I feel like giving the devs an extra year in general just works out better. Also if Apple can justify revenue off of the OS they might put more work into it.
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As long as Serlet is not in charge of the overall OS X project, it doesn't matter if Apple goes back to 24 months or longer and/or paid upgrades, it'd just be as bad as the ones we're getting.

As long as you don't have the right people, it really doesn't matter what the schedule is.
 
oatman13 said:
As someone who has the Iris Pro and the GT 750M I can tell you that it's not that much better... The UI lags like crazy, especially in the About This Mac section.
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That's one of the biggest concern I have about Yosemite. I just can't imagine the iGPU on my laptop handling Yosemite well with all the fancy UI changes... not to mention the impact it might have on the CPU, ram usage and battery life as well. Might mean I'll have to stick with Mavericks.
 
MikhailT said:
As long as Serlet is not in charge of the overall OS X project, it doesn't matter if Apple goes back to 24 months or longer and/or paid upgrades, it'd just be as bad as the ones we're getting.

As long as you don't have the right people, it really doesn't matter what the schedule is.
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:OOOOOO You don't like Serlet!?!? He was the one responsible for Tiger, Leopard, and Snow Leopard. Perhaps the 3 most innovative OS X releases to date.
 
Ironjer said:
i still feeling the UI laggy compared with mavericks even in powerful machine. anyone else?
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Yes, it's laggier than usual. They're doing more effects than they have in the past, especially with the transparency.

Here's what to do, go to Sys Prefs > Accessibility and check Reduce Transparency, you'll probably see a big improvement across the board like I do.
 
kwokaaron said:
That's one of the biggest concern I have about Yosemite. I just can't imagine the iGPU on my laptop handling Yosemite well with all the fancy UI changes... not to mention the impact it might have on the CPU, ram usage and battery life as well.
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You can turn off the transparency if you want. IMO it looks better, although I wish there were more granular controls.
 
cjmillsnun said:
Hence GM Candidate. I for one prefer the previously used term, release candidate.
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Why candidate? If they released a few different versions of GM and ask developers to test them to compare the differences (between visual elements, animation speed, settings and different versions of drivers and wahtnot) that would be candidate...
Now they are just doing it GM1, then update, then udpate, then update..hardly any "candidates."
Of course, Apple could always release GM1 as the final version too lol
 
MikhailT said:
Yes, it's laggier than usual. They're doing more effects than they have in the past, especially with the transparency.

Here's what to do, go to Sys Prefs > Accessibility and check Reduce Transparency, you'll probably see a big improvement across the board like I do.
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what is going on with apple? i don't need to disable nothing... they must optimize the UI speed.
 
oatman13 said:
:OOOOOO You don't like Serlet!?!? He was the one responsible for Tiger, Leopard, and Snow Leopard. Perhaps the 3 most innovative OS X releases to date.
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Dude, read what I said again. I'm saying that without a good leader like Serlet, it doesn't matter if Apple ships every 24 months or make it paid upgrades, it'd suck just as bad. If Serlet is in charge, he'll make 12 month cycle just as good as 24 cycles we're used from him during the Tiger>SL era.
 
jian said:
Why candidate? If they released a few different versions of GM and ask developers to test them to compare the differences (between visual elements, animation speed, settings and different versions of drivers and wahtnot) that would be candidate...
Now they are just doing it GM1, then update, then udpate, then update..hardly any "candidates."
Of course, Apple could always release GM1 as the final version too lol
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According to Chris Lattner on the Apple Dev Forums, candidates to Apple mean that developers can write apps to the store. Apple is promising that the software will have very little changes between now and the GM, so apps can be submitted for review.

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MikhailT said:
Dude, read what I said again. I'm saying that without a good leader like Serlet, it doesn't matter if Apple ships every 24 months or make it paid upgrades, it'd suck just as bad. If Serlet is in charge, he'll make 12 month cycle just as good as 24 cycles we're used from him during the Tiger>SL era.
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Oh I see. Well in that case I can't agree more with you!
 
handoff and continuity

anyone know if they are going to allow Bluetooth adapters to enable continuity on older MacBooks? I have a late 2011 MBP and I hate to get a new one just for these features if I can avoid it.:rolleyes:
 
oatman13 said:
YES!!!! I would LOVE to go back to the Bertrand Serlet days where we got an OS update every other year. I'd also like if they'd go back to charging for the OS upgrades as well. I feel like giving the devs an extra year in general just works out better. Also if Apple can justify revenue off of the OS they might put more work into it.
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Why would you want them to charge for it? :confused:
 
Ironjer said:
what is going on with apple? i don't need to disable nothing... they must optimize the UI speed.
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They are optimizing it, it's just going to take a year or two to do it right. I'm basing this on what I've saw in the last three months; back in DP5, when they started pushing it hard, I was seeing WindowsServer process eating up 20-30% of my CPU when I use my Mac. As of GM, it is down to 10%.

However, they probably did all the optimization they can do on a high level, meaning the ones that can perform the greatest returns. Now, they have to do it on a deeper level, which means it'll take longer and longer to get it optimized. In other words, instead of taking weeks or months to get it down by 10%, it'll take several months instead to get it down another 5%.

Right now, if you want a quicker UI, you need to reduce the effects. Many folks won't notice that it is slower than usual on Yosemite.
 
AppleMad98004 said:
How does the UI look on non-retina displays??? I was told the thinner fonts only look good on a retina Mac.
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Not good. The new font really doesn't look so hot on non-retina displays. The higher the pixel density the better the new font looks. So if you have a 1080P display that's 19" the OS would likely look great. However that isn't the case for most people. Most people with non retinas have 75DPI displays.
 
belle14 said:
If PB5 fixes the issues that have made Safari unusable since I installed Yosemite I will be delighted. Other than that, I've been rather enjoying Yosemite so far.
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Curious what problems you are having with Safari. I have sent a lot of Feedback regarding issues but none of it has been about Safari. I tend to keep two windows open with a dozen tabs on each and restart my computer once a week; Safari has been fast, reliable, and I am not seeing the memory leak another poster had mentioned.

Of course the MacRumors forum is not really the place for in depth discussion, I was just curious what your general problem was.
 
Animations when opening folders on desktop are still glitchy,

Grid view icons now seem better cached than previously but can still be a little laggy versus 10.9

Grid view now seems to have a pointless scroll bar which isn't on any previous 10.x release (and I don't recall from previous 10.10 betas or GM1?).

and yep on screen overlays for brightness/keyboard backlight and volume still have visible square edges when reduce transparency is set.

minor things yes but very visible aspects of the OS and certainly shouldn't still be there in a GM candidate
 
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