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That's debatable. Snow Leopard isn't going to receive updates anymore, and will soon no longer work with Java. Have fun with that.

Java no longer works on any of my systems, because I won't install it. :p

Disclosure, I'm still on ML 10.8.5. :eek:

I'll wait to get Yosemite on whatever new Macs they announce on the 16th.
 
Curious what problems you are having with Safari. I have sent a lot of Feedback regarding issues but none of it has been about Safari. I tend to keep two windows open with a dozen tabs on each and restart my computer once a week; Safari has been fast, reliable, and I am not seeing the memory leak another poster had mentioned.

Of course the MacRumors forum is not really the place for in depth discussion, I was just curious what your general problem was.

Safari is honestly better in this second GM. For instance, in YouTube uploading a video was causing Safari to crash, this is no longer the case.
 
Why would you want them to charge for it? :confused:

I can't speak for the other guy but there is this concept called you get what you pay for.

Many people believe that if Apple charge for the OS upgrades, Apple will be motivated to do quality releases because otherwise, they should be refunding for crappy ones.

By making them free, many people believe it's an excuse for Apple to be lazy. Thus the comments like "hey, it's free, how can you complain?"
 
Why would you want them to charge for it? :confused:

He's saying that the additional revenue would give them an incentive to make the OS better. I disagree, Apple makes money from their hardware and always has, even when OS X was $129. The incentive to make the OS better is more hardware sales.
 
Dude, read what I said again. I'm saying that without a good leader like Serlet, it doesn't matter if Apple ships every 24 months or make it paid upgrades, it'd suck just as bad. If Serlet is in charge, he'll make 12 month cycle just as good as 24 cycles we're used from him during the Tiger>SL era.

nobody can make 12 month cycle work anywhere near as well as a 24 month one. Cerlet couldn't either. 10.5 and 10.6 didn't become stable overnight. the first few point releases were very buggy for both of them. it's a matter of priorities and time and no so much of personal leadership.
 
I was amazed at how antiquated 10.4 is even compared to Snow Leopard. no Spaces, no Time machine, no Quicklook, no nothing.

True. However, Tiger laid the foundation for greatness in 10.5 and onwards. The OS and its' guts were stable and rock-solid by 10.4.11, which helped 10.5 and above to work greatly with all the new features.
 
nobody can make 12 month cycle work anywhere near as well as a 24 month one. Cerlet couldn't either. 10.5 and 10.6 didn't become stable overnight. the first few point releases were very buggy for both of them. it's a matter of priorities and time and no so much of personal leadership.

10.4-10.6 were massive upgrades, they demand far more than 24 months of development each. That's why it took several more months to get it right and once it happened, it became a quality release. Give the current Apple several more months and... eck, not better, they're on a new beta of a new buggy OS already.

However, if Serlet was pushed to do 12 months, he'd cut down the features needed for the release, not the infamous 300+ Leopard type of releases. In fact, that's what happened with Lion, they started shipping smaller releases, which is why they're not noticeable as the Serlet-era releases.

If you can't ship a quality product in 12 months, it means you're asking too much. Unfortunately, that's what happened with iOS 7 and now with Yosemite. Notice how big of an improvement iOS 7.1 was when you give them another 4-5 months (at least it was for me until iOS 8 revert it all over again).
 
Public Beta 5 is out too.

After testing Yosemite for over 2 months, here's what's DOA about it so far...

#1 First off and this is embarrassing for Apple, but the Feedback program while collecting data from your computer disables your ethernet internet! I've complained since day 1. They never fixed it. Reported since BETA 1.

#2 Plugging in any iPhone, at least since IOS 8 (or the latest 8), disables your bluetooth completely, meaning goodbye Magic Mouse, goodbye wireless keyboard. Seems to only happen when the iPhone is completely charged. But only solution is a re-boot or standby peripherals. COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE.

#3 No clue as to whether this is related to #2, but constant warnings that Apple iPhone peripheral is not compatible with this phone. Doesn't matter if it's Apple's cable or not. iPhone is then not recognized and Image Capture program fails to work and charging stops. Tested with several iPhones, same result.

#3 No sound on SOUND keys as in you can't tell how loud you're increasing the volume from the keys. Also sound to send mail is so quiet, you'll never know if you sent the mail or not. Reported since BETA 1.

#4 Displays issues. No matter how many times you change it, Displays will not boot to the correct display you've set. For people with multiple displays, this means turning on another display or in my case having to switch to an HDTV to boot up and log in. COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE! And I've reported this since BETA 1 too.

#5 Some Mac OSX partitions are no longer compatible with disk repair software, so be careful. You'll get a warning that your disk mapping on a drive is no longer compatible.

#6 There is no indication as to when Spotlight is indexing. That's very annoying since normally you'd wait until indexing stops to use a Mac because of the slowdown.

#7 Preview loads for no apparent reason when an iPhone is connected. No clue why.

Yosemite is NOT READY FOR PRIMETIME in my opinion after 2 months of frustration. I feel like Apple owes me money. Oh, I should add, the installation corrupted my Mavericks installation too causing all Mail accounts there to be corrupted, but I can't say that's related to Yosemite except that it doesn't like other Mac OS X partitions. None of the above problems happened in Mavericks.
 
SL Ftw

This latest Beta is running pretty great on my 2009 2.53ghz MBP. SSD, 8gb Ram. Fastest version so far.
 
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Oh one more problem I forgot but many might not care.

Many FLASH enabled websites I go to won't work in Safari.
Have to use Firefox or Chrome instead.

I realize Apple wants to KILL FLASH, but this is NOT the way to do it Apple.

Sorry.
 
10.8 is my stable version - cannot use MAVERICKS at all.

Bill

Have you tried the latest version of Mavericks? It's by far the smoothest on my macbook since 10.7.

Edit: Now that I think about it, I think that it might mostly be the case for macbooks with retina displays.
 
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