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The 6K or 7K updated display, hopefully, to be announced with the mac pros this fall, had better have 4 freaking K cams for the price they are going to be.

No excuses. No fancy 1080p upscaling with onboard iPhone guts, 4K. As clear a picture as we have ever seen.
The reason the picture looks bad to you is because it’s the exact same image you have on the iPads, from the 8.3” mini to the 12.9” Pro. Now take that picture and stretch it to 27”. It’s going to look worse, but for the other guy, it looks all the same. Just once, I’d like to see a reviewer actually test the webcam properly. When’s the last time you saw a review where they actually made a call and saw what the person on the other side saw? Every reviewer just brings up FaceTime and looks at themselves without making a call. It’s a useless test… unless you like taking pictures of yourself in a webcam.

All the fixes Apple tried to make aren’t going to make a difference to the person on the other side of the call. All they’re doing is trying to placate the complainers who think the picture they see is bad when they’re not making a call, when the other side sees nothing to complain about because it looks like every other webcam, except the camera moves around by itself. It’s exactly the same hardware as on the iPads, but it looks worse because the monitor is bigger. The output through the Internet isn’t any different.
 
I'm so glad to have a display that makes my design work shine, without the chonky webcam, wires, and clutter. THAT is what I really paid for.
I'm mostly with you on all this, but the Studio Display webcam is rancid. If you have an old iPhone laying around, fire up Camo Studio's trial version and compare. My iPhone 6's rear camera produces an amazing image compared with the ASD's, and I really dislike the Center Stage feature and how it keeps sliding me to the middle of the frame. It looks unnatural and goofy on Zoom calls and has even prompted comments from people I'm in meetings with. You can turn Center Stage off, but that just shows the wide-angle view and you're way too small in the frame.
 
I agree… I’d like to know if the issue is truly fixed or not
I did the install a few minutes ago. Download took a couple of seconds; install took about 3-4 minutes. I ran music through the ASD speakers with no issues and to my HomePods via AirPlay with no issues. Of course, it's too early to say if the problem is fixed, but it definitely works so far for me. As a point of reference, I've had the ASD since its release date, use it every day and I've had the sound issue only twice. So, for me at least, it was never a big problem, just an annoyance. Hopefully this update fixed it.
 
I'm mostly with you on all this, but the Studio Display webcam is rancid. If you have an old iPhone laying around, fire up Camo Studio's trial version and compare. My iPhone 6's rear camera produces an amazing image compared with the ASD's, and I really dislike the Center Stage feature and how it keeps sliding me to the middle of the frame. It looks unnatural and goofy on Zoom calls and has even prompted comments from people I'm in meetings with. You can turn Center Stage off, but that just shows the wide-angle view and you're way too small in the frame.

I hear you. I bucket the webcam into the same category as miniLED. It would be nice to have something higher resolution, but in my day to day usage I don't notice a difference between the SD and the Elgato Facecam. Given that, the SD wins for me personally because I got rid of extra cords and hardware.
 
There's an easy way to force a refresh to "see" the update. Go into System Preferences, Software Update, click "Advanced", click the hopefully checked "check for updates". It will prompt for a password. Cancel, hit "OK", and then it should refresh and show the update.



This has happened to me twice and I'm dreading updating.
Tried that and still no update. Oh well...
 
Can’t fix the webcam so…
Some issues can be fixed VIA software updates. 🤷‍♂️
I am starting a club.

It's called the "we just want "dumb" apple displays, no camera, no iPhone guts".

$1199 = 27"
$899 = 24"

Who is in?
Apple never tries to make “dumb” products though. You should consider taking a look at a Dell monitor instead.
 
How many people here had the problem with the speakers? I didn’t hear any issues with mine, so I don’t know exactly what people are hearing or not hearing. But then again, I spend a bunch of time on a headset. Is it crackling? Cut-outs? Stoppage? Or just poor quality sound?

Unfortunately, I’m running Ventura beta on the computer and don’t see the update, so I’m wondering if it’s worth the trouble of linking it up with one of my laptops with Monterey and updating it that way.
 
Apple never tries to make “dumb” products though. You should consider taking a look at a Dell monitor instead.
Yea but can you really consider apple’s current implementation as smart tho? Having an iPhone chip in this thing has given it no new features but instead a ton of software bugs while inflating the price and creating unnecessary heat production. This thing is anything but smart
 
Some issues can be fixed VIA software updates. 🤷‍♂️

Apple never tries to make “dumb” products though. You should consider taking a look at a Dell monitor instead.

real 5K Dell? (not this 5K / 2K stuff) though. they just do the wide kind.
 
Yea but can you really consider apple’s current implementation as smart tho? Having an iPhone chip in this thing has given it no new features but instead a ton of software bugs while inflating the price and creating unnecessary heat production. This thing is anything but smart
Emphasis on “tries” though.
real 5K Dell? (not this 5K / 2K stuff) though. they just do the wide kind.
What about HP?
 
Do you feel like the lower PPI of these Ultrawide monitors (I'm guessing they're around 109 PPI at 3440x1440) is tolerable for long hour usage?
Not really. I like having the additional real estate, but after a while my eyes feel strained. I joke earlier on this thread that I'm an excel enthusiast. Fact is I spend a lot of time working on files that just read better on retina displays.
 
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There's an easy way to force a refresh to "see" the update. Go into System Preferences, Software Update, click "Advanced", click the hopefully checked "check for updates". It will prompt for a password. Cancel, hit "OK", and then it should refresh and show the update.



This has happened to me twice and I'm dreading updating.
Thanks for the help, but I should mention that I am also running Ventura and there is no "advanced" button available.
 
But then you never needed Apple to make a 4K display since there are probably 100+ models out there which offer 4K with a great variety of prices and technical specification.

What could Apple have done which no other screen manufacture haven't done?
ProMotion
Ease of use
A monitor that has the same design language as my Macbook

Just take the M1 iMac and take the computer out. That's all anyone wants
 
Man, so much hatred for this display (and still it is backordered by months). Haven't had a speaker problem so far (but massive problems with the 14" speaker, probably hardware), really liked CenterStage from the first moment, so much better than anything Iris, Trust etc has at the moment and the old iMac-5K-Display still feels crisp and beautiful compared to any 4K display I've tried. As usual with Apple, there are price-related gripes (wheels for MacPro, USB-cable for AirPodMax, Tilt for the Studio Display, you name it), and I still wish for a 27" iMac, but otherwise this is a great display and I have yet to see anything comparable from Apple or otherwise.
 
>Just take the M1 iMac and take the computer out. That's all anyone wants
Just take it and make it 27":) iMac24 is a toy, but at 3,5 kg and with THAT Chip it is the most joyful computer you could imagine. Having a M2Pro/Max in 27" form factor and Ultra in 30" as AIO would be marvelous, the Studio with all its cables and two-device-form-factor is so untidy compared to the new slim-line iMac-Look, where you have everything in one case, and with the new power brick not even LAN on the desk. (it would be nice to have TB4 in that brick as ell ;-))
 
How many people here had the problem with the speakers? I didn’t hear any issues with mine, so I don’t know exactly what people are hearing or not hearing. But then again, I spend a bunch of time on a headset. Is it crackling? Cut-outs? Stoppage? Or just poor quality sound?

Unfortunately, I’m running Ventura beta on the computer and don’t see the update, so I’m wondering if it’s worth the trouble of linking it up with one of my laptops with Monterey and updating it that way.
I’d had the monitor for probably 2 months with no problems prior to it happening. Then, at some point I found that any app playing audio through the monitor speakers would play for a few seconds, crackle, then cut out. Other speakers worked fine. After several Mac reboots and swapping TB cables, I thought, why not “reboot” the monitor, which solved the problem.

I did the firmware update today and we’ll see if the problem recurs. Since it took months to show the problem the first time it will be quite a while before I feel confident that it’s resolved.
 
Mate, what are you talking about?

Thunderbolt 4 DOES support DisplayPort 1.4.


"It incorporates the DisplayPort 1.4 standard".

in fact it has support for DisplayPort 2.0


"Thunderbolt 4 includes support for DisplayPort 2.0, allowing it to power up to three 10K monitors at the same time, or one 16K monitor at 60Hz"

👍
At the time of release, exactly 2 Macs ever sold included Thunderbolt 4 ports. Mac Studio was the third.

Apple made this display for Macs going back years, so they weren’t going to add a feature that only 2 Macs on the market for 6 months could take advantage of and further add to the cost.
 
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So much blind hate for this product. I’ve had mine since day 1 and it’s been exactly what I’ve wanted for years.

It looks amazing, I’ve had no audio issues (though glad there’s new firmware), and the webcam now looks as good as any other built in webcam Apple ships in Macs, only with Center Stage (usefulness of that feature is debatable).

The only other 5K display on the market is ugly to look at, is 6 years old, and still costs $1,299. 4K is not the same as 5K. Hi-PPI/Retina is glorious. $1,599 is expensive but any $1,000+ display is a luxury item and I’m happy to have it.
Same here. I had been clutching onto an old Thunderbolt Display waiting for a new display from Apple. I love my Studio Display. I’m glad I got the height adjustable stand and enjoy sitting down at my desk everyday.

Could it be better? Without a doubt. I do not enjoy Center Stage and keep it disabled at all times. The feature is clearly not designed by anyone with actual camera operating experience, and as a video producer, that bugs me. The composition is always wrong and the tracking is too aggressive to the point that it’s just distracting to me and everyone I used it with. I don’t want my webcam moving around to be the subject of conversation on my work Zoom meetings.

Unlike a previous comment, I would love to see Apple continue to iterate and improve the product via software. If they would relinquish just a little more control over Center Stage’s behavior via some configuration options, it’d make the feature feel more at home on the Mac. I get not wanting iPad users to have to futz around with the feature, but Macs exist precisely to futz. Let us futz, Apple.

Otherwise, the hardware is stellar as expected. Haters gonna hate
 
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There's an easy way to force a refresh to "see" the update. Go into System Preferences, Software Update, click "Advanced", click the hopefully checked "check for updates". It will prompt for a password. Cancel, hit "OK", and then it should refresh and show the update.



This has happened to me twice and I'm dreading updating.

I am on Ventura and there is no advance option. It does appear to check and there is nothing. My wife is on the released OS version and she shows it. Her firmware is no newer than mine.
 
Thanks for the help, but I should mention that I am also running Ventura and there is no "advanced" button available.
I had the same issue to get the firmware update. I am on Ventura as well. Not sure if this is an issue on Ventura for the studio display update
 
At the time of release, exactly 2 Macs ever sold included Thunderbolt 4 ports. Mac Studio was the third.

Apple made this display for Macs going back years, so they weren’t going to add a feature that only 2 Macs on the market for 6 months could take advantage of and further add to the cost.
The discussion was about whether it was even possible, and as my post proved - yes, it was very possible to have 120hz/5k.

You even mention there was 2 products already in the Mac line up which could take advantage of it at the time of release.

Incorporating that technology in there, is called future-proofing a product - which Apple chose not to do.
And is the exact reason people are disappointed/not buying it, as Apple did the bare minimum, called it "sensational" and slapped a nice Apple-tax on top.
 
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