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My sister has a glossy iMac and the reflections of the widows across the room would drive me nuts.
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Same for me.
But most people somehow don't seem to mind.
Doubt we'll see a matte option on iMacs anytime soon.
 
Well, show us where you can get a comparably spec'd PC for even the same money. Obviously "comparably spec'd" means monitor with the same size and resolution, no big box under the desk or on the desk, no fan noise, design that allows it to live in the living room of a married person, remote control, multi-touch mouse, unlimited version of the OS, and comparable software.

Here we go again...I have to explain every single solitary thing because people can't be imaginative.

APPLE ONLY SELLS 1 DESKTOP COMPUTER SYSTEM: THE iMAC. Period. Make sense so far?

Each vendor in PC Land sells numerous lines of DESKTOP machines (complete machines with a monitor just to be clear)...some are mini towers, some are full towers, some are "minis" like the Mac Mini, some are like the iMac, some are gaming machines, etc.


Therefore...when I, Mr. Consumer, walk into an Apple store and ask to look at the cheapest DESKTOP computer system, it's the iMac for $1199. You may want to reply back to me telling me to buy the Mini, then pay all the extra money for the monitor and kb and mouse (all Apple manufactured just to be clear)...but then that's practically the same if not more expensive than an iMac...I should know...I own a Mini.

If you're still following along with my reply, I will add that I agree there is something to be said for the OS and/or applications that come with it...but I was VERY CLEAR in my initial post that I am talking about specs and talking about average Joe Users walking in to Apple to consider TRYING a switch to Apple Land.

So if you want those specs, feel free to surf over to HP or Dell or whoever you want and configure a desktop with a 21"+ monitor with keyboard and mouse and operating system...you will easily find them for far less than $1200. Will they be as sexy as the iMac? Maybe, maybe not. I dunno because I don't spend my life looking at PC vendors. I personally like the idea of the iMacs (and their designs since the boat anchor versions) but that's Apple's wish to only sell 1 desktop model. Not my problem.

How about this link for you:

http://www.cheapstingybargains.com/...37s-core-2-quad-233ghz-desktop-pc-and-24-lcd/

Intel 2.93 Core Duo 2 1066FSB
4GB ram
640GB 7200RPM drive
2year warranty
20" monitor ($50-$100 more for a 21.5")
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$649 (or $699 or $749 with 21.5" depending which mon you want)

Shop around other vendors if you wish, you're going to find specs that are the same, better, or REALISTICALLY NEARLY identical to each COMPUTER (notice I did not say which operating system).


Please don't write back nickel and diming every PC config as surely there is always a way to upgrade it. I'm not a fan of Vista either but Windows7 is out in a week so hold off your rants.

Not everyone needs a sexy looking all-in-1 machine like the iMac. I understand that. Some here don't. I agree with you that the iMac is a darn sexy machine...but let's not forget a pricetag comes with that (as well as my other points here).

I think Apple should have offered a $999 version of the iMac in addition to their current new announcements to make it ATTRACTIVE for folks that want to dip their toes into the Apple waters AND WHO WANT A DESKTOP.

-Eric
 
Looks like a typical refresh. iMacs are still missing decent graphics and bluray. Still need a Windows rig for gaming. I thought luxury products were suppose to be cutting edge?

iMac's are not meant to be cutting edge gaming machines, but it would be nice if they did have a true gaming offering
 
Looks like a typical refresh. iMacs are still missing decent graphics and bluray. Still need a Windows rig for gaming. I thought luxury products were suppose to be cutting edge?

yes, that is my one (or two) disappointments. hopefully if/when i get one of these babies, they will have a more cutting edge gpu & blu-ray. i still dont get why they couldnt have included that as options.

but, its all i couldve hoped for as is. cant really complain. the GPU will be a bottleneck in a years time if u want to game on it & the display will be bottlenecked by lack of blu-ray, but for $2K its a fantastic computer. i cannot believe they priced it so aggressively.
 
iMac's are not meant to be cutting edge gaming machines, but it would be nice if they did have a true gaming offering

if you guys are complaining about this, spend 300$ more and get a Mac Pro. what is the problem here. how is the Mac Pro not a 'true gaming offering' whatever that means.
 
Is there no decent BluRay external on the market?

Yes there are.

But they will not let you play a commercial BD and show it on your new HD iMac screen!

Those external BD players are only to be used for data storage when used to a Mac.

They will not playback lossless HD sound either like Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD Master audio.

At least I would like to produce BD on my Mac Pro and deliver it to clients with iMac via BD.

I also would like to use my computer as storage for HD films and be able to playback them in full HD to our projector. I feel a little crippled now with Mac when all PC cousins are able to play BD full HD films ...
 
Looks unbelievable cant believe the technology apple can do
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Maybe i am not the first but...

Gizmodo says this new imacs has video in!

The mini displayport output also works as a HDCP video input!

The iMac has a new trick, too—its DisplayPort can turn it into a second screen, receiving video (but not audio) input from DVD players or a MacBook. Apple said it was HDCP compliant so it should be fine for watching Blu-rays on, via the port, via a separate player.

http://gizmodo.com/5385841/apple-imac-hands-on

Can be this one of the features apple says that their customers have been waiting for long?
 
8 Gb Ram

Is there anybody notice adding the RAM to 8 GB DDR3 only cost $200 more? Does it use the same RAM modules that they use it in the MACBook pro?
 
I have already posted this in the Magic Mouse topic, but it seems more significant in this topic:

http://www.apple.com/keyboard/

Isn't the wireless keyboard updated as well?

"The Apple Wireless Keyboard now requires just two AA batteries — one less than the previous model."
 
It's really no different from people who demand the inclusion of expensive additions that would needlessly raise the price or downgrade other features because they have BD.

People demanding BD are a noisy minority who don't seem to consider the impact of the additional costs in the inclusion of BD.

If you want BD on your iMac, I'd rather you carry the cost and use the input feature.

If you read my posts, you'd see I would be happy to carry the costs, which I have considered, and so long as Blu-ray software support was optional would have no negative impact whosoever on people such as yourself who aren't interested.
 
At first i was really happy about this release, but now i think this sucks. 27" .. I mean WTF? That's far tooo big and 21,5" with HD, WTF???
 
And that overclocked penryn part just turned out to be an retail part that apple got first. I dunno why but you apple kids love to avoid truth in favor of crazy theories about apple's products. They are lynnfields. i5 is w/o hyper threading and i7 is with. The top end core i7 mobile runs at 2.0ghz and costs $1,000. There is no way Apple used that and overclocked it over 800mhz and stuck in the desktop. the 2.8 i7 option is the core i7 860! No conspiracy theories, get a grip.

No one has said that they aren't Lynnfields. I simply challenged those who ascribed them as desktop parts merely on the point of operating frequencies. That's an unreliable method. A clear look at the specs tells you it's Lynnfield. People were only quoting clock speeds only, which is bad practice. On top of that, they made pricing, and overclocking vs. TDP interrelation assumptions.

Pricing is set by Intel. Don't look at the 920QM and think "ooooh, it costs Intel almost 1000 to make!" No, it costs no more than what the 820QM takes to make, yet is priced at half the 920. They just bin and price it differently due to performance in test.

TDP is another unreliable figure. People assume that the part cannot be overclocked because it would simply fail. Laptop parts are designed with specific TDP and voltage requirements in mind. In an iMac enclosure, you can loosen those. Up the frequency and voltage and get the performance you want out of a mobile part with acceptable TDP rise. It's not hard.

Simply look at the specs. If you match the frequency with naming (i5/i7), cache amounts, and features (HT, non-HT), it's easy to accurately tell that they are Lynnfield, not just guess based on nominal clock frequency.
 
is everyone aiming for the 27"? I just think it's too big -- going with the 21.5".

For me?...The price of a 21.5" for $1199 vs. the 27" for 1699 is worth the $500 almost all by itself since LCDs larger than 24" are still kinda expensive...and especially a 27".

Add to the fact that the $1699 iMac also gets a 1TB drive (instead of 500GB) a better video card and technically a better screen rez, and I would go for the $1699 version.

But, alas, I don't have $1700 to blow on a nice-to-have computer right now...if I needed a computer, it would be the 27" because I already have been using a 24" for 4+ years now...could never go smaller.

-Eric
 
Don't know if it's been asked already but does it have holes at the back for wallmounting? I'm serious. Wireless mouse and keyboard as standard, you really could mount it to a wall just like a flatscreen tv.

Edit: Nevermind. It was very easy to find the answer to that one on, surprise, the apple site
 
if you guys are complaining about this, spend 300$ more and get a Mac Pro. what is the problem here. how is the Mac Pro not a 'true gaming offering' whatever that means.

Relax I meant a lower cost machine that is fine tuned and specifically targeted to game heads. Like a mac mini on steroids with new borderless displays maybe in the future when light peak arrives. I was just pointing out that the iMac was not meant to be the ultimate gaming machine. It's a well rounded machine :)
 
It's really no different from people who demand the inclusion of expensive additions that would needlessly raise the price or downgrade other features because they have BD.

People demanding BD are a noisy minority who don't seem to consider the impact of the additional costs in the inclusion of BD.

If you want BD on your iMac, I'd rather you carry the cost and use the input feature.

You can't be serious. Make the damn thing an OPTION. You don't want BD, don't check off the box, the people that want BD do. How difficult was that ? Is this truly so hard to understand ?

The most expensive computers can't include BD option because it would, uh, make them expensive ? :confused:

You can get a 16" Sony Vaio with BD for $650.

Just give it up. The "if it's not avialable on a Mac, you don't need it," absurdity has been exposed for the stupid, fraudulent argument that it is. Stop defending the indefensible. Apple will survive without it.
 
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