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Looks pretty nice with the exception of only 4 USB ports. That is simply not enough nowadays, even the tiny Mac Mini has 5 of them. 6 would be appropriate, and I could use them all. Yeah, I know you can get an external USB expander, but that's clunky and goes against the elegant simplicity the iMac is supposed to bring.

Really! what are you using in all those USB ports?
 
It does not have a BluRay drive. That is just the way it is. Get over it.

No argument will make the BluRay appear, so quit moaning. Like with any product in the world this comes down to many aspects, and I am sure apple know more about making computers than you do - so they made the call.. they obviously thought your desperate need for BluRay was not worth stressing about. They made $1bn this quarter.... did you?

What does how to make computers have to do with it ? :confused:

No, you are desperate that Apple not offer it and you're defending it.

Great argument for not goving your customers the option to get what they want. Unbelievable. Some people can defend anything.
 
I don't want to get into yet another Mac versus PC prices debate, and you make some valid points, but I say to each his own.

However, you lead with a rather silly statement that "Apple only sells 1 desktop computer system: the iMac. Period." and then you bring up the Mac mini. You contradict yourself in the very same post. I know where you're going, in your opinion the iMac is the only Mac desktop, but that doesn't make it the "1 desktop...Period."

More correctly, Apple sells three desktop systems. The Mac mini, the iMac, and the Mac Pro. If you want to make further distinction -- they sell two more-or-less traditional desktops and one all-in-one design. The point that you consider them expensive in comparison to PCs doesn't change that fact.

And I don't want the PC vs. Mac argument either. :)

These forums are hard to express everything since all we have is text and I'm not writing a novel...I think you and I basically agree.

The only difference I see, that you brought up, is the Desktop definition. I do not consider the Mac Pro a desktop. It is a workstation. Dell and others sell "workstations" too. The Mini may be a desktop offering, but it is not a computer "system" which has generally been defined since the early 80's as a computer, mouse, keyboard, and monitor. That's why I didn't count the Mini here...because Mr. Consumer would have to buy a-la-carte and that's kinda getting away from the point of buying a "desktop". Again, hard to put a black and white line on definitions but all of my posts on this topic are for the average Joe, walking into Apple, looking to see how much their first destkop Mac is going to cost.

The cheapest Mini is $599 + $49 for mouse +$49 for keyboard which is basically $699 before a monitor...buy Apple's ONLY MONITOR OFFERING on Apple.com which is $899 for a 24" display and you have a whopping $1596 for a Mini desktop system.

:)

Great new iMacs...too bad there is not a $999 model.

And where does Apple get off calling the new Mini a "server". Biggest joke in computing history. There's more to a "server" than putting a server OS on the machine. Servers are all about hardware flexibility, supportability, high-end spec support, redundancy support, etc. Not a closed 4x4x4 inch box. I'm still laughing.
 
I think this is a big mistake. For me, 24" is perfect, now they've made it extremely difficult with such a huge gap between 21.5 and 27 inch options. Neither of which are suitable for me.
I do however, like the new options for the Mac Mini.

It's only 3 inches more than the 24", stop procrastinating. Big mistake? So the 27" is not suitable for YOU and that makes it a big mistake for Apple? Okay. :rolleyes:
 
Blha blah blah. I know how binning works. I never said it cost Intel 1,000 to make, I said IT cost $1,000. And that same $1,000 price, regardless of what Intel made it for, is the same for all its customers, including Apple. Apple might get a price break because of the deals they have in place but thats beside the point. The point is you kept saying it could be an overclocked mobile part and my point is that was a stupid assumption because the mobile parts are slower and more expensive.

And yet, you still seem unable to understand that pricing is set by Intel, and these parts would have different standards. They wouldn't have to meet the same TDPs and voltages, so any talk of which part would have to be overclocked is irrelevant. What do you think are the actual differences between mobile and desktop parts if you ignore voltages and TDPs, particularly between Clarksfield and Lynnfield (which have both been power optimized)? It's all in the cache and the socket. Frequencies are utterly irrelevant. So you cannot use that to discount it being a mobile part. Ever. And that's what people were posting- Because of frequency, it can't be mobile. That's wrong.

Lol thats what everyone else did, myself included, but you! We all said that already and you were the one saying there wasn't enough evidence to support they were desktop chips. Look at you pull a 180 and state the obvious after looking like an idiot, Lol

No, apparently you don't understand logic. I argued against them discounting mobile parts on the account of frequency. I never argued for or against them being desktop parts. Please, learn a Venn diagram. As I've told you many times, very few people actually referenced the cache size as a reason for it to be Lynnfield. That is bad practice. It's the same reason people started assuming desktop parts when the iMac showed up with a 3.06 Penryn. When I told them that they're assumptions were potentially erroneous, I hadn't even looked at the detailed specs page yet.
 
Maybe i am not the first but...

Gizmodo says this new imacs has video in!

The mini displayport output also works as a HDCP video input!

The iMac has a new trick, too—its DisplayPort can turn it into a second screen, receiving video (but not audio) input from DVD players or a MacBook. Apple said it was HDCP compliant so it should be fine for watching Blu-rays on, via the port, via a separate player.

http://gizmodo.com/5385841/apple-imac-hands-on

Can be this one of the features apple says that their customers have been waiting for long?
However, it appears that the input is Mini DisplayPort only, so unless the external device has a DisplayPort output you won't be able to plug in that DVD or Blu-ray player. There are DVI-to-Mini DisplayPort video converters but those cost anywhere from $150 to $200 (U.S.) and they apparently don't support the native resolutions on Apple's new 27" iMac (thus, you'd have to run the display at a lower resolution).

So, no, this isn't the feature that customers have been waiting for. It appears to only be a way to share the display with other Mac products (like a MacBook or MacBook Pro).
 
I agree. I will NOT be getting another Mac as long as I'm forced to use a glossy screen. That's just the way it is.

What did you do when we only had CRT's as a viable option? I thought they add a film to the newer screens to reduce glare am I wrong
 
I live in London and an iMac with AppleCare. Apple send a courier to collect the product and return it when repaired. The two issues have been resolved within five working days.

Really? Is that all three years of the Applcare? This iMac purchase is looking rather tempting now.

Cheers.
 
I've been waiting for my Dell to go south. With all of the anti-virus software, my 2.4 Ghz older Dell takes up to 35 minutes to totally boot and start using due to the aforementioned anti-virus stuff.

Wait....35 mins? And you're still waiting for it to go south?
 
You can't be serious. Make the damn thing an OPTION. You don't want BD, don't check off the box, the people that want BD do. How difficult was that ? Is this truly so hard to understand ?

The most expensive computers can't include BD option because it would, uh, make them expensive ? :confused:

You can get a 16" Sony Vaio with BD for $650.

Just give it up. The "if it's not avialable on a Mac, you don't need it," absurdity has been exposed for the stupid, fraudulent argument that it is. Stop defending the indefensible. Apple will survive without it.

You can get a Sony for that, but that is because Sony developed and licenses Blu Ray, which gives them a huge cost advantage when it comes to including Blu Ray.

For a company like Apple, Blu Ray is simply not cost effective because of the very complicated and expensive licensing system that is required by Blu Ray.

If the BD BTO option was included, it would be so expensive that no one would opt for it anyway. Apple is not to blame for this mess, it is the companies who control BD technology.

http://www.edibleapple.com/blu-ray-licensing-gets-easier-will-apple-be-tempted/

This new licensing arrangement will undoubtedly speed up the licensing process, and more importantly, will make the whole ordeal a heck of a lot cheaper for interested companies. But does this mean that we can soon expect Apple products to start shipping with Blu-ray drives?

During an informal Q&A last October, Steve Jobs was blunt in his explanation as to why Apple wasn’t keen on making Blu-ray enabled Macs anytime soon:

Blu-ray is a bag of hurt. I don’t mean from the consumer point of view. It’s great to watch movies, but the licensing is so complex. We’re waiting until things settle down, and waiting until Blu-ray takes off before we burden our customers with the cost of licensing.

Fair enough, but now that cheaper licensing costs are on the horizon, will Steve Jobs have a change of heart? Well, the bad news for Blu-ray fans is that the answer is “probably not.” The good news, however, is that there aren’t too many Blu-ray fans out there to begin with.

BD never achieved critical mass. Larger companies, with much larger economies of scale can afford it. In Apples case, BD is a waste of time.
 
Actually, discussion brings about change. And this site (along with a few others) are pretty visible in the Apple world. You think that when the company releases a new product, they don't jump on forums to see how they've been received? Jobs is too narcissistic not to.

Anyway, all he was asking for was a BTO option which I think is totally reasonable. If you don't want one yourself, great... they don't have them. But there's no sense in being a troll just because you don't think there is value in a feature that someone else finds worthwhile.

Rubbish. Apple couldn't give a sh*t about forums like these. All they care about is money through the tills. Obviously if they asked everyone they would say YES, but also if HONDA asked everyone if they wanted a turbo in their Civic they'd also say YES, it doesn't mean that it is in the best interest of the company, nor the product.

There are many other elements to adding BluRay.. not just your idea of just simply adding it on. You need to support it, both in the manufacturing process, training and support, and software. There are also marketing issues with BluRay as a BTO. - This would have overshadowed other key USPs that are standard, diluting them.
 
After all the wishing and whinning, can't you just see Wayne slightly nodding his head forward, curling his hair back behind his ear saying, "Excellent".
 
It's just dawned on me that the iMac's keyboard still has white keys!!!! WTF!?? Where are the black keys????

FAIL!!!!! ;)
 
The Mac Pro quite frankly doesn't have a much greater upgrade path than the iMac really. 3 more HDDs, upgradable graphics slot (As long as the manufacturers make a worthy card), almost impossible to upgrade the CPUs, for certain uses the RAM ceiling is somewhat limiting. Compared to workstations offered by Lenovo, Dell, HP or even custom builds for specific tasks, it makes the Mac Pro an incredibly expensive piece of hardware for the features it offers in my opinion.

Why people have to slate those who are asking, with good reason, for an affordable upgradeable box is beyond me. It makes economic sense for the consumer to want such a computer... Apple however want total control so I doubt we will ever see one.

There is more than what you see there.
I run two 6 drive raid arrays by using a Tempo Sata repeater card on top of the 4 internal hard drives. Also a SCSI card for the LTO tape drive. In another machine I use a red rocket for red camera footage. Sure the card cost more than the baseline mac, but it's worth it.

This imac is a great machine in terms of power, could use a bit of connectivity. It will do well however.
 
What does how to make computers have to do with it ? :confused:

No, you are desperate that Apple not offer it and you're defending it.

Great argument for not goving your customers the option to get what they want. Unbelievable. Some people can defend anything.

You are trying to tell Apple how they should be making their computers..

If BluRay is such a good idea.. why didn't they put it in??. They've done their sums.. and to be quite frank they have worked out that there are more people who don't care than do care.. you can't produce something that everyone is happy with.. there will always be moaners. We've had it all before.. only one USB on the MacBook Air, no Firewire on MacBook, no this and that... they know what they are doing.. they know more than me or you.

Now the fact is the real reason is probably due to Christmas. They probably had a few BluRay issues and needed to ditch it last minute to ensure they could still get these machines out the door.. but the point is that is their prerogative not ours as customers.
 
You can get a Sony for that, but that is because Sony developed and licenses Blu Ray, which gives them a huge cost advantage when it comes to including Blu Ray.

For a company like Apple, Blu Ray is simply not cost effective because of the very complicated and expensive licensing system that is required by Blu Ray.

If the BD BTO option was included, it would be so expensive that no one would opt for it anyway. Apple is not to blame for this mess, it is the companies who control BD technology.

http://www.edibleapple.com/blu-ray-licensing-gets-easier-will-apple-be-tempted/



BD never achieved critical mass. Larger companies, with much larger economies of scale can afford it. In Apples case, BD is a waste of time.

BD "never achieved critical mass"? Whats this nonsense? Do you read the news at all? BD this year is up over 86% compared to last year. At the beginning of the year, BD was being adopted at TWICE the rate DVD was adopted. That means that BD is being adopted even faster still than DVD was at the very same point in its life. When DVD was 2.5-3 years old, it only had 4% market share. Blu-ray at the same point had 8%. And its growing faster still.

So all of this talk about blu-ray not being adopted or being DOA is nonsense. It's a very successful format and being adopted faster than DVD ever was. Don't forget that DVD was NOT an overnight success. It was introduced early in 1997 in the US and didn't achieve 51% market share until 2003.

Also, licensing was just an excuse for Apple to push iTunes "HD" (if you can even call it that, since it looks so terrible) instead of adopting blu-ray. More than a year ago, PC notebooks were available with blu-ray drives at the $800 and below mark. Right now I can go over to HP and buy an 18" system with a 16x9 display, GeForce GT 230 1GB, Core i7, 4GB DDR3, 320GB 7200 RPM HDD, and a host of other features for $400 less than the cost of a 15.4" MBP with integrated graphics.

Oh yeah, excuse me while I literally laugh out loud at the thought of paying $2,000 for a computer with a Core i5, when I could built a desktop with a better display, much faster processor, more RAM, much faster GPU, etc. for about half as much.
 
i didn't know where else to post this so i figured here is fine: i, a PC user, was looking up the new iMacs when that blue Windows error screen flashed and my computer shut itself off...Windows was preventing me from switching to Mac hahaha.
 
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