Lost? I doubt the industry would be "lost". It would just be, "different".
You are kinda sounding like a fanboy; I hate saying it.
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Lost? I doubt the industry would be "lost". It would just be, "different".
You are kinda sounding like a fanboy; I hate saying it.
A couple of my relatives theorize that he's still dying. Both of them are doctors, and from a very external position (i.e., only seeing him in images and occasional video footage -- meaning take this with a grain of salt) they say he looks unhealthy -- skin-and-bones dying unhealthy, not just thin. The reaction of getting more and more hard-assed and driven to 'make his mark' (i.e., for someone with an ego the size of his, reshape the world in his image) would also seem to follow with the dying thing.
As far as the talk about a paper clip earlier in this thread, that's not saying that a paper clip is the only method to reproduce the signal drop. The point that using a paper clip makes is how this is not 'attenuation', as defined by Apple. The signal drop is not caused by an obstruction between the antenna and the signal -- it's caused by connecting the two antennas in a way that completely changes their properties.
While using a conductive metal is not (necessarily -- see wedding ring discussion) realistic, a human hand does tend to be somewhat conductive. It can easily produce a similar result -- the use of a paper clip just eliminating the possibility of a large object (a hand) physically blocking the signal. Instead, this is just demonstrating the design flaw of having two entirely separate, uninsulated antennas right next to each other.
Regarding those who still say "Well, I can't reproduce this, must be fake!"... You probably are reproducing it, but do not have a method to measure it. The bar -> signal number mapping is still large enough that, at the top end of five bars, the maximum signal drop (~25% signal) will still not drop it below five bars. This particularly goes to the guy who was talking about how he hasn't had problems in the shadow of a new AT&T tower. Of course not -- your signal is going to be at the very tippy-top end of five bars, and the drop will not be visible in bars, but is probably still happening.
Not at all. I spent the first three days with my iPhone 4 without seeing a problem. I then came home where I realised the phone showed the defect. So I know first hand that the problem can mask itself depending on location, hence I used the word "yet".
But there is very few people having problems and Im sure a lot of these affected people have received a case or in some way resolved their problem?
Because there is just not that many returns by what I have read and heard and they still keep selling out!
Agree there are real issues for some. The iPhone is the kind of phone that showed how weak Motorola and others were. It's also fair to say that the latest iPhone is still revealing the flaws in some phone networks too.
Good. If only more industry CEO's were as driven and committed to "making their mark" as SJ is. Look at the results!
Sounds annoying. Signal strength from the move must be part of the issue. I get used to full signal bars everywhere but I'm guessing that's not so common.
Exactly. The rest of the industry is so out of ideas they have to make knockoffs with similar names to Apple products.
But there is very few people having problems and Im sure a lot of these affected people have received a case or in some way resolved their problem?
Because there is just not that many returns by what I have read and heard and they still keep selling out!
There aren't many returns because it's still the best phone out there, in my opinion. I suffer from the defect even with my free bumper but I choose to keep the phone. I don't go out of my way to complain on here but I'm always ready to correct anyone that suggests that the problem isn't real.
Sure you can, but it sounds like you like iPhones better? You said you wish you could get your 3G back, you do know you can get a 3GS? How much time do you spend talking on the phone, just curious, thats the last thing I want to do is have to spend a lot of time talking on the phone.
How is the iPhone the kind of the phone that shows how weak Motorola and others were? Also, it sounds like you're saying that the iPhone 4's problems are solely caused by the cell phone networks they run on. Can that possibly be what you're saying?
The proximity sensor problem on the iPhone 4 has been reported around the world and has no bearing on the cell network. It is either a hardware or software problem ON THE PHONE. The Motorola Droid X does not seem to suffer from the proximity sensor problem.
Also, AT&T hasn't publicly changed anything on their network here in the U.S. since the iPhone 4 was released just over a month ago. Other AT&T (non-Apple) phones don't drop calls as much as the iPhone 4 (nor does the 3Gs drop as many calls as the iPhone 4.) Apple, on the other hand, rushed to change how their phone displayed bars. AT&T didn't do anything to affect how the iPhone 4 displayed signal strength.
Much ado about nothing...
front page from my Samsung M510 phone manual says 'do not hold it like this...' because the signal will drop and you'll lose your call. ALL phones do this...remember when they all had antennas that you had to extend? The alternative is to go back to that...
Or hold it as suggested...holy litigious bunch, Batman, quit your bitchin'...
iPhone 4 - I'm getting one as soon as the scuffling dies down, and I don't have to line up for 4 hours...
Cheers,
Cameron
front page from my Samsung M510 phone manual says 'do not hold it like this...' because the signal will drop and you'll lose your call. ALL phones do this...remember when they all had antennas that you had to extend? The alternative is to go back to that...
Or hold it as suggested...holy litigious bunch, Batman, quit your bitchin'...
iPhone 4 - I'm getting one as soon as the scuffling dies down, and I don't have to line up for 4 hours...
Cheers,
Cameron
Yeah it's annoying. I never had issues at home with my 3G or 3GS but now I'm constantly running to the nearest window in an attempt to boost my signal so I don't drop calls! I'm happy that you don't have the problem where you are, I would be even happier if the story was the same for every other iPhone 4 user!
Sure you can, but it sounds like you like iPhones better? You said you wish you could get your 3G back, you do know you can get a 3GS? How much time do you spend talking on the phone, just curious, thats the last thing I want to do is have to spend a lot of time talking on the phone.
My phone is the tool that I use the most to get business done (via voice, text, and e-mail.) I spend anywhere from 45 minutes to over two hours per day on the phone just on business calls, on average.
Try repeatedly hanging up on your boss or a client that pays you tens of thousands of dollars a year (as I did with my cheek multiple times with the iPhone 4) and then come back and tell me it's a superior as a phone even when compared to the Okidata bag phone I used in the early 1990s.
My 3G was a great phone, but it's a couple of years old now (which is more like 5 or 6 years old considering how fast mobile technology is evolving.) I still have the second-gen iPod Touch that I had before I bought my 3G.
I can use the Droid X as a WiFi hotspot for the iPod Touch and have much better 3G coverage and still use almost all the iApps (if they haven't already been ported over to Android.) That's the solution I went with and it's working just fine for me at present.
I can touch the sweet spot to get the signal drop but never drop a call or data, but only when in a bad signal area. I cannot really get it to drop in a good signal area. You are correct that its the best phone out there!
However, I am puzzled about the bumper not stopping the issue for you, this is something Ive not heard yet.
Agreed.... but just to mention the cases of libel on message boards. Maybe it will scare most off....
Simply search lible on message forums.....
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And this quote from a 6502a? Dude, you may be participating on the wrong site. Just say'n.
But the FUDsters supporting, employed-by, and somehow paid/remunerated/enriched by Apple's continually LAME competition saw what was coming down pike: another iPhone tsunami that would make everyone else look like last-place finishers at a 4th-grade science fair.
Something HAD to be done, because as per usual, they just didn't have the goods - even Google's best effort, the Nexus One, fell flat on its 480 x 800 pixel face. The EVO-whatever barely got noticed, and Motorola's iPhone-Killer failed to make anyone care about it 3 months past its sadly homophobic debut. I think there's an "x" version of it or whatever. LOL does anyone really remember or care?
The best they could manage is whip up something common-place, but which the Average User doesn't quite realize: the vagaries of mobile phone signals. Except that the plan ultimately failed. Shades of Laptop Hunters and other similarly failed attempts to compete with Apple not on strength of product, but on strength of bull----. The REAL smoke-and-mirrors snake-oil purveyors aren't Apple, but their unimaginative competition.
The solution is easy: make great products that everyone can love. Not so easy if you're outside Cupertino, unfortunately.
With that said, I'm off to visit my local Apple Store in order to give the Magic Trackpad a go. It'll probably be as great as people say it is. Hell, it's great on Macbooks already. Let's hope Wacom is taking notes, because their current "desktop navigation" tablet, the Bamboo Touch, is downright horrible.
Exactly.
Even in Apple Stores, where the signal is artificially boosted via numerous in-store signal repeaters, if you place a finger over that one spot on the side of the iPhone and hold it there, the signal will continuously drop to the point of no reception.
I hate to say this, but without Apple you would be still using garbage phones...erm...smartphones running one of the worst pieces of software ever written...erm...windows mobile.
The same could be said about mp3 players. And the same is true for tablets.
If you don't believe me, look at how phones looked before January 2007 and how they looked shortly after.
It is ignorant to call the praising of Apple for turning complete industries upside down fanboyism.
You must be in a really bad area for AT&T and if your business requires that much time on the phone, then you had no choice I suppose. I use my iPhone 4 for business calls, not as much as you but I also have great AT&T service and I never have problems. Two of my friends use iPhones for their business and changed from Blackberrys, they have said there is no regret. They are now in the process of converting all their employees to the iPhone platform as well as iPads to possibly replace Laptops.
Total baloney. I can't even reproduce this on my iPhone 4 with Rogers. I can, as best I can, cover the entire antenna with both my hands and this problem doesn't happen. Does it drop a bar? Yes. Does it go to zero? LOL no.